Nightblades, do you plan on using Siphoning Strikes?

Rohamad_Ali

No

It's been nerfed to hard to justify a slot currently .

TheStealthDude

No

Definitely not for my NB healer. Haven't decided for Sap Tanking, but leaning towards no.

Bladerunner1

No

I'm replacing mine with a dual wield DOT skill. Leeching strikes is about as useful as a solar powered flashlight.

So now I'm down to my last 2 NB skills on my bar, Soul Harvest and Relentless Indifference.

actosh

No

Siphoning should reduce in addition the ha windup time and double the ressources restored from diphoning.

Tonturri

No

I won't even be playing my NB.

Kihamai

No

Smmokkee wrote: »

Calysis wrote: »

Maybe on my stamblade (most likely not tho tbh), but definitely not on my magblade anymore. I understand the live version is a bit on the OP side, but they nerfed the resource gain too much and you still have to cast off about 6 light attacks to break even with the cost and begin gaining resources. I would consider slotting it if it had either no cost or an even cheaper cost than what it currently has on the PTS.

...Maybe not though, I think Elemental Drain would still be better in that case. Magickasteal + armor debuff + no cost + it's a destruction staff skill, which means slotting that instead of siphoning attacks on my backbar means either 8% more single target or AoE damage.

On live if siphoning attack is op then what does that make DD? The fact that DD wasn't nerfed alongside siphoning attacks is a joke. The fact that DD wasn't changed before siphoning attacks is a joke. The fact that grim focus wasn't changed before we were nerfed again is a joke.

These are different issues and I agree DD should have been nerfed as well with this patch if their goal is nerfing regen across the board. I wish they would have done something with Grim Focus as well.

Honestly I would like to see none of them nerfed (I main a magblade and Siphoning Attacks is always on my bar). And I only say "a bit OP" because it essentially grants you 2k regen on both of your resource pools if you're good at weaving, while possibly granting even more with direct damage attacks. I like that a lot more than dark deal because you can damage and gain insane amounts of your stam and mag resources, while with DD you have to stop damaging to trade stam for mag, leaving you vulnerable.

On PTS, DD is so much better now. It's ridiculous what they've done to this ability and its morphs while leaving sorc's DD alone.

scorpiodog

Yes

Yes, Stam NB needed a heal besides Vigor or Rally. Spam those light bow attacks, lol.

Strider_Roshin

No

scorpiodog wrote: »

Yes, Stam NB needed a heal besides Vigor or Rally. Spam those light bow attacks, lol.

Fun fact, you'll have better Survivability by slotting swallow soul passively.

Rikumaru

No

My initial reaction to the siphoning strikes nerf before testing "hm, it was rather good so meh". After testing, my reaction "well I have an extra skill slot to use other skills". What annoys me the most about these class sustain nerfs is how stam sorcs with dark deal, the strongest sustain skill in the entire game HAS NOT BEEN TOUCHED. Oh yeah, not to mention my hopes using magicka nightblade for open world PvP being absolutely obliterated.

scorpiodog

Yes

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

scorpiodog wrote: »

Yes, Stam NB needed a heal besides Vigor or Rally. Spam those light bow attacks, lol.

Fun fact, you'll have better Survivability by slotting swallow soul passively.

That wasn't my experience.

Subversus

No

If the changes make it to live the skill will be absolute garbo for magblades. We already have MORE than enough healing, what we lack is ability slots. There will be no reason to slot another heal when we need sustain. Seeing how I mostly duel I'll replace it with elemental drain. Heck I'll even use that in arenas.

fred.thomsonb16_ESO

No

Found the stam morph ok when using dual wield but on magicka even using debilitate/harness/siphoning when the number of targets dwindled or reaching a boss sustain just bummed out, had to switch to lighting staff and do full channel to ability, was still sitting at v.low resources. Mag nb for pve is going to be rough without sacrificing a lot of damage and with perma eclipse on the horizon using it for pvp is utterly pointless.

Smmokkee

No

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

scorpiodog wrote: »

Yes, Stam NB needed a heal besides Vigor or Rally. Spam those light bow attacks, lol.

Fun fact, you'll have better Survivability by slotting swallow soul passively.

That is just ridiculous. How in the hell could the Dev team not see how stupid this is? Why nerf nightblades even more? Lol.. someone cried that we were op a year ago and it's been hell since. When are the nerf breaks going to get pumped on my god damn class. I'm just trying to figure out how this *** makes sense to them..

What's really funny is leading up to these patch notes the general consensus was that NBs were weak and needed a buff, or some kind of rework to some of the defining skills. Instead we as one of the weakest classes take a huge hit to one of our best skills. While on the other hand a stronger sorc class keeps DD, which is already a better sustain option than SA... uh ok.. WTF?

ZoS logic complain about infinite sustain and, then leave the strongest sustain option in game while trashing the sustain option of one of its weakest classes. I mean.. what in the actual ***?

Didn't they say something about how *** grim focus was a few months ago? What happened to fixing that? Lol.. they decided that would be to hard so they just nerfed us instead??

At what point does any of this *** make sense.

Don't even get me started on the last eso live where he talks about us doing sneaky *** in group settings.. let me tell you something ZoS.. *** that. Revert or rework the changes to siphoning attacks, give us back are purge on cloak, rework grim focus and then never look in this direction ever again you greaseballs. Maybe take a look at your sorc class that overperforms in almost any in game scenario.

Master_Kas

No

Nope

Kalante

No

The night blade is a dead class. I wish they could remove the mentality of just being an "assassin" because it makes this class so limited in what it can do in many areas.

Arenguros

Yes

I'll keep on using it but only cause there's a lack of other options.

On a stambow PvE build there are only 2 NB abilties that I use:
Relentless Focus
Siphoning (now Leeching)
And both are only a minor increase.

Other classes have much better options, getting additional aoe, dots or better sustain options.

Why not
- make stam morphs for summon shade / agony / cripple that are viable in pve
- make drain power always give the buff even when not hitting an enemy

mr_wazzabi

No

Calysis wrote: »

Maybe on my stamblade (most likely not tho tbh), but definitely not on my magblade anymore. I understand the live version is a bit on the OP side, but they nerfed the resource gain too much and you still have to cast off about 6 light attacks to break even with the cost and begin gaining resources. I would consider slotting it if it had either no cost or an even cheaper cost than what it currently has on the PTS.

...Maybe not though, I think Elemental Drain would still be better in that case. Magickasteal + armor debuff + no cost + it's a destruction staff skill, which means slotting that instead of siphoning attacks on my backbar means either 8% more single target or AoE damage.

On live it's not op because i still run out of magicka on my mageblade while using sa. They should have left it alone.

Bislobo

No

Maybe i am missing something, but i don't want a skill in my bar that i should NOT press for 20 seconds to get the benefit. It does not fit my playstyle. I like to rebuff/recast buffs or even ground abilities BEFORE the effects run out, not the other way around.

HugeMuffin

No

Bislobo wrote: »

Maybe i am missing something, but i don't want a skill in my bar that i should NOT press for 20 seconds to get the benefit. It does not fit my playstyle. I like to rebuff/recast buffs or even ground abilities BEFORE the effects run out, not the other way around.

It is situational. There are certain buffs that are so important that you make sure your rotation keeps them up, but there are other buffs and dots that you don't keep up because they are so expensive and are "sometimes skills". For example, on my pet sorc, I keep crit surge up 120% of the time because i need the heals and the damage, but i only keep my volatile familiar and curse up whenever I get around to it because they are so expensive. They drop off before liquid lightning and barrier drop, and I get around to going back to my back bar when those two skills run out.

When you paint a cloud, you have to let the negative space and the gaps show through, otherwise you end up with a big white blob. Finding a good DPS rhythm is the same, you have to know what to keep up and what to let drop otherwise you end up with no resources.

I'm posting this sorcerer info because I'm practicing my mag sorc in anticipation of having to shelve my nightblades for the next 6 months or longer and you guys might want to prepare to do the same. I think i'm at the "acceptance" part of grieving over my night blades now, or maybe this is bargaining... "I can still have nightblades in 6 months! All zeni has to do is not just talk about how bad NB's are! I'll just play Wrobel's MagSorc until then!"

Arrchangell

No

It's not worth slotting anymore, will probably put deadly cloak instead of it. The skill is dead, both morphs.

stevepdodson_ESO888

Xvorg wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

On a stamblade ...

It's still a net stamina gain per cast, however small. But what else would I slot here? I focus on end-game group PvE, so I don't really have other options. There are a grand total of 3 active class abilities that are usable on my build, and 2 of them are very close to being worthless (Relentless Focus and Leeching Strikes).

5 Torug's pact + absorb stam glyph = Better sustain than siph attacks...

Sad but true

no likes getting a siph attack, but i think there's a cream for it nowadays

Lucky28

No

if it doesn't restore magicka and stamina, what's the point of it?.

PS4_ZeColmeia

Yes

In my main hybrid mageNB no, but when I use my pelinal's build yes.

brandonv516

I will probably use the stamina morph since I run lich for magicka. I have two magblades and they both have room for it. I can understand not slotting it though if you are hurting for space.

Izaki

No

If something like this was implemented I would use it in certain situations:

Siphoning Strikes (unmorphed)
- Costs magicka
- Lasts 20 seconds
- Imbue your weapons with soul-stealing power causing your Light Attacks to heal you for 1495 Health and your Heavy Attacks to heal you for 2990 Health.

Siphoning Attacks
- Costs magicka
- Lasts 20 seconds
- Imbue your weapons with soul-stealing power causing your Light attacks to restore 1495 Health and 198 Magicka. Your Heavy attacks restore 2990 Health and 396 Magicka. When the effect ends you restore an additional 2415 Magicka. Reactivating this ability grants the final resource return immediately in proportion to the length of time it has been running.

Leeching Strikes
- Costs stamina
- Lasts 20 seconds
- Imbue your weapons with soul-stealing power causing your Light attacks to restore 1495 Health and 198 Stamina. Your Heavy attacks restore 2990 Health and 396 Stamina. When the effect ends you restore an additional 2415 Stamina. Reactivating this ability grants the final resource return immediately in proportion to the length of time it has been running.

If not, then definitely not worth a slot.

F7sus4

No

17% clueless people are still not that much as I've expected.

HugeMuffin

No

F7sus4 wrote: »

17% clueless people are still not that much as I've expected.

I think that they are probably folks who see this as a slight nerf of their leeching toggle. I doubt nobody used leeching, there were probably non-sap NB tanks and solo players who used the heals from leeching instead of from sap essence.

crobarXIII

I'm a console player so I can't test. But I'm guessing it will become a situational ability now. On live I use it in both aoe & single target fights on my tank. Currently I use it to sustain both resources in aoe fights with light attack weaving to keep using both sap essence & bone surge up, an aoe heal & group shield. Now I'm having a hard time picturing how I would still be able to use both as a magicka nb tank & not just with the changes to siphoning strikes but also with the changes to shards.

Juhasow

Yes

I know it was nerfed harshly but I can imagine scenarios where I am using it on my nb. Altough I would be glad to see some improvement of that skill because there is not lot previously mentioned scenarios.

Ragnaroek93

Yes

Won't use it on all builds but I think it's pretty good on some builds. The heal seems to be good actually.