Nightblades, do you plan on using Siphoning Strikes?

Strider_Roshin

If this patch goes live with this move in its current state do you still intend on using it?

Strider_Roshin

No

I personally have put Shadow Image Its place on the PTS.

Turelus

I can't actually say right now. I will have to wait and see, if I need a little extra on my sustain I might use it, if I seem fine without it I will continue just using other means and skills.

Although I do like the additional health steal option now.

Narvuntien

No

I wasn't using it before. I wasn't using anything from that skill tree.

Strider_Roshin

No

Turelus wrote: »

I can't actually say right now. I will have to wait and see, if I need a little extra on my sustain I might use it, if I seem fine without it I will continue just using other means and skills.

Although I do like the additional health steal option now.

Have you used it yet on the PTS?

Turelus

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

I can't actually say right now. I will have to wait and see, if I need a little extra on my sustain I might use it, if I seem fine without it I will continue just using other means and skills.

Although I do like the additional health steal option now.

Have you used it yet on the PTS?

Yes, but not extensively. I've been gaming with other (non ESO) friends this week so not had much time on PTS as I would have wanted.

Will most likely get some time over the weekend to try a few things out.

Takes-No-Prisoner

No

Probably not, with the MagBlade rotation I have for PvP involves HA. I think I can put something else there.

Derra

Yes

It´s pretty solid on a magblade when not looking at it from the resource pov.

Edziu

No

tested it on stamblade on pts, dps rotation and pvp ofc also....not worth for me....saacriface 1k needed stamina/magice to get additional 2k resource baxcck after 20 seconds? its pathetic, compare it to sorc dak deal...he need stamine so he converting his magica insto 4k stamina + heal in just 1 seconds and viceversa about resource....if I dont need any more active skill on my bar I will slot anything useful for just passive effect

Xvorg

No

It's pretty useless. Even force syphon seems a moar reliable skill. Not to mention ele drain.

Full heavy armor + full heavy resto + tenacity + a stam returning glyph. The wet noodle is back...

HugeMuffin

No

Xvorg wrote: »

It's pretty useless. Even force syphon seems a moar reliable skill. Not to mention ele drain.

Full heavy armor + full heavy resto + tenacity + a stam returning glyph. The wet noodle is back...

Bee keepers+black rose+troll king, Resto Staff+siphoning+refreshing path+funnel health+siphoning spirt+cleanse = my new "Camp at the top of the hill with the flag and let the other team rage at me" build.

Autolycus

No

Derra wrote: »

It´s pretty solid on a magblade when not looking at it from the resource pov.

What other POV is there to see it from? I mean I can only presume you're referring to the healing aspect. I guess if you really think you need that as a magblade...

Derra

Yes

Autolycus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

It´s pretty solid on a magblade when not looking at it from the resource pov.

What other POV is there to see it from? I mean I can only presume you're referring to the healing aspect. I guess if you really think you need that as a magblade...

It´s about 800 to 1k extra hps on magblade for me. That´s pretty decent.

However if that was needed or not is ofc debateable.

I think there should be a (very) low morph giving both resources and heal aswell as a morph without heal and higher resource return.

Xvorg

No

tinbromide wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

It's pretty useless. Even force syphon seems a moar reliable skill. Not to mention ele drain.

Full heavy armor + full heavy resto + tenacity + a stam returning glyph. The wet noodle is back...

Bee keepers+black rose+troll king, Resto Staff+siphoning+refreshing path+funnel health+siphoning spirt+cleanse = my new "Camp at the top of the hill with the flag and let the other team rage at me" build.

Actually I was thinking moar of a Permafost + Orgnum's build using ward ally and harness. Yup, shield stacking... Problems?

HugeMuffin

No

Autolycus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

It´s pretty solid on a magblade when not looking at it from the resource pov.

What other POV is there to see it from? I mean I can only presume you're referring to the healing aspect. I guess if you really think you need that as a magblade...

Since sap essence spam is no longer an option, this heals at about the same rate.

Xvorg wrote: »

tinbromide wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

It's pretty useless. Even force syphon seems a moar reliable skill. Not to mention ele drain.

Full heavy armor + full heavy resto + tenacity + a stam returning glyph. The wet noodle is back...

Bee keepers+black rose+troll king, Resto Staff+siphoning+refreshing path+funnel health+siphoning spirt+cleanse = my new "Camp at the top of the hill with the flag and let the other team rage at me" build.

Actually I was thinking moar of a Permafost + Orgnum's build using ward ally and harness. Yup, shield stacking... Problems?

for me it's always a tossup between orgnum's and bee keepers but bee keeper's was just what I had laying around. I think that it might be tricky running a stick-in-the-mud build without a sustain set and since my toon was wiped, I don't have access to any of this on PTS.

Autolycus

No

Derra wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

It´s pretty solid on a magblade when not looking at it from the resource pov.

What other POV is there to see it from? I mean I can only presume you're referring to the healing aspect. I guess if you really think you need that as a magblade...

It´s about 800 to 1k extra hps on magblade for me. That´s pretty decent.

However if that was needed or not is ofc debateable.

I think there should be a (very) low morph giving both resources and heal aswell as a morph without heal and higher resource return.

I'm with you, I understand if you appreciate that healing. It's not a direct criticism; more to the point that sustain was kind of the whole point to using the skill.

I'm seeing it from the perspective of both magblade dps and tank, and even in my tank gear where I have <2k SD and only around 25k max magicka my healing has pretty much always been more than sufficient. The marginal healing utility on this skill pales in comparison to what was taken away. It's like we traded a jetback for a pogo stick... I mean yeah, the pogo stick is fun, I guess.

Smmokkee

No

No.. why?

Because it's ass.

Why do I still play my NB? I've been getting *** on patch after patch watching sorcs run rampant and get buffed over the same time period. I really don't understand how it could be so *** up.

LiquidPony

Yes

On a stamblade ...

It's still a net stamina gain per cast, however small. But what else would I slot here? I focus on end-game group PvE, so I don't really have other options. There are a grand total of 3 active class abilities that are usable on my build, and 2 of them are very close to being worthless (Relentless Focus and Leeching Strikes).

arkansas_ESO

No

Not really worth it in PVP. I can see the appeal in PVE where fights are long and Siphoning's return can help out three or four minutes into a fight, but in PVP it's basically just a really, really bad version of Dark Deal that takes 20 seconds to see results with. The HOT is nice but isn't worth losing the ability to CC break more than twice.

Xvorg

No

tinbromide wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

It´s pretty solid on a magblade when not looking at it from the resource pov.

What other POV is there to see it from? I mean I can only presume you're referring to the healing aspect. I guess if you really think you need that as a magblade...

Since sap essence spam is no longer an option, this heals at about the same rate.

Xvorg wrote: »

tinbromide wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

It's pretty useless. Even force syphon seems a moar reliable skill. Not to mention ele drain.

Full heavy armor + full heavy resto + tenacity + a stam returning glyph. The wet noodle is back...

Bee keepers+black rose+troll king, Resto Staff+siphoning+refreshing path+funnel health+siphoning spirt+cleanse = my new "Camp at the top of the hill with the flag and let the other team rage at me" build.

Actually I was thinking moar of a Permafost + Orgnum's build using ward ally and harness. Yup, shield stacking... Problems?

for me it's always a tossup between orgnum's and bee keepers but bee keeper's was just what I had laying around. I think that it might be tricky running a stick-in-the-mud build without a sustain set and since my toon was wiped, I don't have access to any of this on PTS.

Yup, sustaining shields while using heavy attacks seems a niche for NBs today.

Build: The Shield popper (Argonian NB)

5 pieces Combat Physician + 5 pieces Torug's pact + 1 resto staff (whatever) with the shield enchant

Bar
Ward ally, Harness (for magicka return), Healing springs, Funnel health, Bone surge, U Reviving Barrier

Playstyle: Stay behind your fellow sorc, as a pocket templar, giving him even MOAR shields

Smmokkee

No

Xvorg wrote: »

tinbromide wrote: »

Autolycus wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

It´s pretty solid on a magblade when not looking at it from the resource pov.

What other POV is there to see it from? I mean I can only presume you're referring to the healing aspect. I guess if you really think you need that as a magblade...

Since sap essence spam is no longer an option, this heals at about the same rate.

Xvorg wrote: »

tinbromide wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

It's pretty useless. Even force syphon seems a moar reliable skill. Not to mention ele drain.

Full heavy armor + full heavy resto + tenacity + a stam returning glyph. The wet noodle is back...

Bee keepers+black rose+troll king, Resto Staff+siphoning+refreshing path+funnel health+siphoning spirt+cleanse = my new "Camp at the top of the hill with the flag and let the other team rage at me" build.

Actually I was thinking moar of a Permafost + Orgnum's build using ward ally and harness. Yup, shield stacking... Problems?

for me it's always a tossup between orgnum's and bee keepers but bee keeper's was just what I had laying around. I think that it might be tricky running a stick-in-the-mud build without a sustain set and since my toon was wiped, I don't have access to any of this on PTS.

Yup, sustaining shields while using heavy attacks seems a niche for NBs today.

Build: The Shield popper (Argonian NB)

5 pieces Combat Physician + 5 pieces Torug's pact + 1 resto staff (whatever) with the shield enchant

Bar
Ward ally, Harness (for magicka return), Healing springs, Funnel health, Bone surge, U Reviving Barrier

Playstyle: Stay behind your fellow sorc, as a pocket templar, giving him even MOAR shields

New nb meta

Xvorg

No

LiquidPony wrote: »

On a stamblade ...

It's still a net stamina gain per cast, however small. But what else would I slot here? I focus on end-game group PvE, so I don't really have other options. There are a grand total of 3 active class abilities that are usable on my build, and 2 of them are very close to being worthless (Relentless Focus and Leeching Strikes).

5 Torug's pact + absorb stam glyph = Better sustain than siph attacks...

Sad but true

efster

No

Of course not. There is no point. If they change it so it costs mag to get stam and vice versa, I might consider it, but otherwise, it's useless.

HugeMuffin

No

efster wrote: »

Of course not. There is no point. If they change it so it costs mag to get stam and vice versa, I might consider it, but otherwise, it's useless.

Right now it costs 1148 stamina for a 20 second cast. That works out to just over 50 stamina per second cost. Getting rid of that cost or converting it to the other pool without increasing returns lets you cast 1 more skill every 40-60 seconds. Even after converting it to a magicka ability, it's useless.

Kihamai

No

Maybe on my stamblade (most likely not tho tbh), but definitely not on my magblade anymore. I understand the live version is a bit on the OP side, but they nerfed the resource gain too much and you still have to cast off about 6 light attacks to break even with the cost and begin gaining resources. I would consider slotting it if it had either no cost or an even cheaper cost than what it currently has on the PTS.

...Maybe not though, I think Elemental Drain would still be better in that case. Magickasteal + armor debuff + no cost + it's a destruction staff skill, which means slotting that instead of siphoning attacks on my backbar means either 8% more single target or AoE damage.

MiniMoggie

Not sure yet. I'm still experimenting on a target dummy on the PTS to see what can be salvaged for my PvE stamblade. What would I put in it's place?

helediron

No

It loses even to elemental drain. It is now just worse than everything else. Latest change made it horribly clunky.

Smmokkee

No

Calysis wrote: »

Maybe on my stamblade (most likely not tho tbh), but definitely not on my magblade anymore. I understand the live version is a bit on the OP side, but they nerfed the resource gain too much and you still have to cast off about 6 light attacks to break even with the cost and begin gaining resources. I would consider slotting it if it had either no cost or an even cheaper cost than what it currently has on the PTS.

...Maybe not though, I think Elemental Drain would still be better in that case. Magickasteal + armor debuff + no cost + it's a destruction staff skill, which means slotting that instead of siphoning attacks on my backbar means either 8% more single target or AoE damage.

On live if siphoning attack is op then what does that make DD? The fact that DD wasn't nerfed alongside siphoning attacks is a joke. The fact that DD wasn't changed before siphoning attacks is a joke. The fact that grim focus wasn't changed before we were nerfed again is a joke.

Did I also see some *** in the patch notes about fixing cloak? Lolololol, at least give us the purge back..

Br1ckst0n

No

The return is very small and not being able to recast it before it ends sucks.

CavalryPK

Yes

I guess it falls under not have to category if they keep the 3.0.2 pts mechanic

Mauin

No

I'm not going to be using it on any of my Nightblade characters now. Mag DPS can just slot Elemental Drain in its place. My stamina Nightblade is probably going to be turned into a maid or something, and my sap tank can slot Mirage, assuming I actually keep him.