Dark Deal/Changes

Minno

DD is the sorc "resource BoL".

SlowMetabolism

alexkdd99 wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

The only thing funnier than calls for nerfs (which I don't think anyone has done here regarding Dark Deal) are the players fiercely protecting their babies.
I think most people are saying that interrupting a skill, really any skill, should incur a penalty of some sort on the person being interrupted. Dark Deal is just the focus because it's an incredibly powerful source of resources at a time when resources for all other classes are taking one to the head.

What in the world, are you not reading any of the post? You don't think people are calling for a nerf? LOL.

Not so much asking for a nerf as much asking for it to be brought on par with other class sustaining abilities that are being driven into the ground.

Xvorg

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

wimhwimladimf wrote: »

If Sorc is spamming DD he's not casting offensive skills, so just focus fire him. Even if you cant kill Sorc by yourself, as long as you can deal decent dmg, sorc will be forced to spam DD and wont be able to kill you either.

No smart sorc is spamming DD. They use it after combat.

You're so wrong. There are many options too utilize this skill during combat. Getting pressured with cc cooldown almost up? Stun and dark deal. Got distance and need resources? Dd. Got a tree? Dd. I'm a group where you can buy 1 second of space? Dd. Dodge rolling up and into a breach? Dark deal.

It's over powered in the upcoming patch.

Stun-> LoS-> Kite = No Combat.

Combat is when you dirink a pot while weaving, for example. No one spamm DD during combat, they open a gap to avid dmg to use the skill.

Now read what the guy above said "put pressure on a sorc,so he can spam DD", which is a blatant lie. He could even dodge roll and use vigor to get a HoT. But dodge rolling takes the sorc out of combat

You're opinion of out of combat is a lot different than mine. Line of sight, stunning, dodge rolling does not mean out of combat. By no combat do you mean they aren't doing damage? Being in combat doesn't just mean dealing damage, it means forcing your opponent to make decisions or taking them based on your opponent.

Are there counters? Sure. Is it too strong for the upcoming changes to cp and sustain? Absolutely. Live it's not as much of an issue bc everyone has options too help with sustain.

IMHO it's like boxing, when they engage in combat. Yes, as a boxer you have to take decisions, but if you are running out of "stamina", then what you do? Clinch. Then the referee stops combat.

LOS, or CC, or any other tactic used in PvP has the same effect than the clinch, but without a referee. So if a sorc is smart is going for that window that aloow him to recover res, not during the combat itself...

That's not a good comparison imo. Comparing a boxing match and eso combat is like comparing apples and oranges. But I'll try for fun.

LOS is like running around the ring away from the opponent, which even referees say cut that bs out bc it's lame. That's why i don't chase tree huggers.

That was kinda fun lol. Still a bad comparison though. I have 2 Stam sorcs, 1 pve and 1 PvP. Dark deal is going to be broken as hell in morrowind. It's strong now but not on since everyone has those counterparts.

I do agree with you in every point, What I disagree is with the guy that said that the "easiest way to kill a sorc is to put pressure on the sorc, so we can get the kill when he is spamming DD" That's why I told him no smart sorc is gonna SPAM the skill in combat

And they'l still have access to tripots

Brutusmax1mus

Xvorg wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

wimhwimladimf wrote: »

If Sorc is spamming DD he's not casting offensive skills, so just focus fire him. Even if you cant kill Sorc by yourself, as long as you can deal decent dmg, sorc will be forced to spam DD and wont be able to kill you either.

No smart sorc is spamming DD. They use it after combat.

You're so wrong. There are many options too utilize this skill during combat. Getting pressured with cc cooldown almost up? Stun and dark deal. Got distance and need resources? Dd. Got a tree? Dd. I'm a group where you can buy 1 second of space? Dd. Dodge rolling up and into a breach? Dark deal.

It's over powered in the upcoming patch.

Stun-> LoS-> Kite = No Combat.

Combat is when you dirink a pot while weaving, for example. No one spamm DD during combat, they open a gap to avid dmg to use the skill.

Now read what the guy above said "put pressure on a sorc,so he can spam DD", which is a blatant lie. He could even dodge roll and use vigor to get a HoT. But dodge rolling takes the sorc out of combat

You're opinion of out of combat is a lot different than mine. Line of sight, stunning, dodge rolling does not mean out of combat. By no combat do you mean they aren't doing damage? Being in combat doesn't just mean dealing damage, it means forcing your opponent to make decisions or taking them based on your opponent.

Are there counters? Sure. Is it too strong for the upcoming changes to cp and sustain? Absolutely. Live it's not as much of an issue bc everyone has options too help with sustain.

IMHO it's like boxing, when they engage in combat. Yes, as a boxer you have to take decisions, but if you are running out of "stamina", then what you do? Clinch. Then the referee stops combat.

LOS, or CC, or any other tactic used in PvP has the same effect than the clinch, but without a referee. So if a sorc is smart is going for that window that aloow him to recover res, not during the combat itself...

That's not a good comparison imo. Comparing a boxing match and eso combat is like comparing apples and oranges. But I'll try for fun.

LOS is like running around the ring away from the opponent, which even referees say cut that bs out bc it's lame. That's why i don't chase tree huggers.

That was kinda fun lol. Still a bad comparison though. I have 2 Stam sorcs, 1 pve and 1 PvP. Dark deal is going to be broken as hell in morrowind. It's strong now but not on since everyone has those counterparts.

I do agree with you in every point, What I disagree is with the guy that said that the "easiest way to kill a sorc is to put pressure on the sorc, so we can get the kill when he is spamming DD" That's why I told him no smart sorc is gonna SPAM the skill in combat

And they'l still have access to tripots

Stam sorcs, via crit surge, have the ability to sustain life while pressure or being pressured better than any class in game too. Infact, so many times i wished i had a ranged execute like magicka while on my stamina players. Just standing in hurricane gives them back hp passively..