The ESO grind is TOXIC. Unbind EVERYTHING!!!!

IronCrystal

rivenjr wrote: »

Just because you waste your life grinding a great set in a dungeon doesn't mean you're a good player. @ZOS_GinaBruno The real life sacrifices being made for such obsessions is sad. Unbind everything ZOS, let people trade, buy, sell, to save time. You will likely save your customer base in the process.

You are right. Having good gear doesn't make you a good player. Hell, only maybe half or little more of the dps in our core raids have vma inferno, let alone both vma inferno and the moondancer staves.

bloodthirstyvampire

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Oh and don't forget they said that not with Morrowind, but more than likely end of year or sometime next year that they will upping the Gear level, as in cp 160 will now be cp 180 or cp 200.

Really i will make a fortune on gold mats

Zvorgin

alexkdd99 wrote: »

Zvorgin wrote: »

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

High end gear should be BoP, but there needs to be a token system, or a way for crafters to re make the item to the weight and trait people want.

Yes I know BoP you can't trade, but WoW has a trade/craft system where you can do bound items so it can be done

Trial gear should be BoP, dungeons and overland should not be.

That was my view for awhile. But the more I think about it I think everything should be Boe. I would love to be able to trade my sharpened melee weapons for a sharpened inferno. Or even just sell them. They are worthless to me, but not to others.

It's not like people can't be carried through most of the content anyways. And with playstation people are allowed to control other people's toons via play share or whatever it's called.

I don't even think things should be bound after equipping them.

You sold me, BoE everything including Maelstrom weapons. People who grind that could make millions.

I prefer playing the market to playing vMA. Personal preference but I like the freedom to "play the way I want to play" or whatever their slogan was at the beginning.

bg22

*Grabs friend by shoulder with great sincerity* "Warrior, may this sword bring you great comfort and protection on your journey, as it has mine for all these years... ahhh sh!t, never mind. I used it."

Bobby_V_Rockit

I'd love to be able to trade undaunted shoulder sets... even if they were to ot allow them for sale in guild traders, but the grind is real for a good monster set piece. Helms, no problem! But the shoulders? Ugh

Curtdogg47

I support everything but the monster sets. I don't they they should be able to be sold. B

Alchemical

rivenjr wrote: »

Just because you waste your life grinding a great set in a dungeon doesn't mean you're a good player.

I fundamentally disagree with this implication. Typically the best gear comes from the highest levels of content. Regularly completing the highest levels of content typically does mean you are at the very least above average as a player. Time Dedicated = Time Rewarded. Therefore 'wasting your life' does make you a better player.

Is the grind for gear as comfortable as having your teeth pulled by a mule? A tad. But this post's phrasing just comes across as someone with a bad case of the 'gimmes'.

RT_Frank

rivenjr wrote: »

Just because you waste your life grinding a great set in a dungeon doesn't mean you're a good player. @ZOS_GinaBruno The real life sacrifices being made for such obsessions is sad. Unbind everything ZOS, let people trade, buy, sell, to save time. You will likely save your customer base in the process.

I agree with that in everything except vma (should have a token system letting you pick your weapon every 5 runs or so) since it's content dedicated to skill (in a sense). However, I'm wondering if the reason ZOS doesn't do this is because if people are getting their gear fast, won't it be hard to find anybody for dungeons or trials? I guess those spots could be filled in with newbies and alts but if you thought finding good tanks and healers are hard now...

xeNNNNN

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

Agree 100%. Especially if you bought the game to PVP but you end up most of your time in PVE grinding gear to eventually PVP with the build and setup you want to run. Shouldnt have to run a dungeon 200, 300 times or even more in some cases to get the gear you want.

PvE players feel the same.

I remember when all this bound crap wasnt so bad.

You ever gotten a sharpened inferno of BSW? or Ever gotten a full set of divines in under 2-3 runs? I havent.

Ive done about 100 runs of CoA 1 and gotten 4 out of the 5 that I need -_-

SaRuZ

Honestly, 99% of the game is grinding for gear. It became so pathetic for me that I wouldn't even play unless I wanted a set to grind for, shows how stupid and pointless this game is becoming.

flguy147ub17_ESO

xeNNNNN wrote: »

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

Agree 100%. Especially if you bought the game to PVP but you end up most of your time in PVE grinding gear to eventually PVP with the build and setup you want to run. Shouldnt have to run a dungeon 200, 300 times or even more in some cases to get the gear you want.

PvE players feel the same.

I remember when all this bound crap wasnt so bad.

You ever gotten a sharpened inferno of BSW? or Ever gotten a full set of divines in under 2-3 runs? I havent.

Ive done about 100 runs of CoA 1 and gotten 4 out of the 5 that I need -_-

I feel for you guys too man, i am not in the PVE vs PVP crowd. I want be sides to succeed, its best for the game. I do like some PVE, but after 150-200 runs lately in Crypt of Hearts and still not done yet, it gets old. And i have done a ton of CoA too, never a sharpened staff of any kind and still rocking my impen chest in PVE lol.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Oh and don't forget they said that not with Morrowind, but more than likely end of year or sometime next year that they will upping the Gear level, as in cp 160 will now be cp 180 or cp 200.

Really i will make a fortune on gold mats

yeah, Gina said they wont be increasing the gear level with Morrowind, but they didn't say it wasn't gonna happen after that either.. so it is planned, I'm thinking 2018 sometime..

I've already started saving my gold Mats for it now..

Good luck on the Fortune..

notimetocare

Kodrac wrote: »

R1DD1CK wrote: »

ESO is Dying .

How many threads are you going to spam this in?

Stupid people love spamming the same sentence everywhere with no basis at all.

No, BoP needs to stay, you can do nearly as well with crafted and boe world sets. Best needs to remain bound, period.

TheBonesXXX

Just make set bonuses researchable like traits.

SJD_Phoenix

l3alls wrote: »

They've already said that all players aren't meant to get every item at will. You don't need to run x build to be the best. It takes a day to get a full set of dungeon gear in a good trait. If you're trying to get every set, ofc you're going to have to put time into it. If you're mad about not getting a sharpened BSW inferno staff.. run a different staff and make it work...

Alright I'll just get 11 players and run MoL over and over until I get a sharp moondancer staff.....

Oh wait, it's broken on xb1. Silly me.

rivenjr

KingYogi415 wrote: »

You are gonna have so much fun in VMA!

I have a grown-up life so no, I won't. My guildies in PvP laugh when people say they have VMA weapons.

MajesticHaruki

Amen! I can understand the bind on equip and it actually motivates grinders to make a stock of items to sell. But Bind on Pickup! COME ON, let us trade everything.

altemriel

rivenjr wrote: »

Just because you waste your life grinding a great set in a dungeon doesn't mean you're a good player. @ZOS_GinaBruno The real life sacrifices being made for such obsessions is sad. Unbind everything ZOS, let people trade, buy, sell, to save time. You will likely save your customer base in the process.

YES PLEASE ZOS, SAVE THE GAME BY UNBINDING EVERYTHING!!! THE MARKET WILL FLOURISH AND ALL WILL BE WELL!!!

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @Wrobel @ZOS_KaiSchober

Epicasballs

I agree with this entirely! And while we're at it address VMA RNG too... maybe place the drops into 3 separate chests. S&B, bows and resto in one chest, destro staves in a diiferent chest and 2h/1h in another chest... VMA is torture. They realized RNG was an issue with undaunted sets and separated them out so if we could just do the same with VMA rewards... please, PLEASE! @ZOS_GinaBruno

Hvzeda

Crafts_Many_Boxes wrote: »

I dunno, coming from a more traditional MMO, i think there is something to be said for the absolute best gear being bound. I don't mind if there is gear almost as good floating around the markets, but the pinnacle should be left for those who have proven themselves against the biggies baddies and won.

Though, you could certainly argue that PvP and Crafters should have equal opportunities as well for stellar performances in their fields. In a traditional MMO, I would disagree with this, but this game has a pretty deep crafting system and PvP, and is certainly more "free form" than classics like WoW. At any rate, I think we can all agree that you should have to distinguish yourself somehow to get the best or almost-best gear.

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[Edit to remove inappropriate remark.]

Crafting is deep in ESO? You gotta be kidding.

There is already an 'industry' of gold farming in ESO so that part of the argument is moot.

Araviel2

entitled generation...nuff said.

SkylarkX

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

Oh and don't forget they said that not with Morrowind, but more than likely end of year or sometime next year that they will upping the Gear level, as in cp 160 will now be cp 180 or cp 200.

I literally just got the last piece of my basic sets last night, I haven't even upgraded them yet and put them on my characters.

But I'll be damned if I am gonna grind through all that again. I'm a Hard core player, I play basically every night, I like both PvP and PvE. I have been with the game since early access on PC and transfered to PS4 and I have only missed a few nights playing (or days when I get forced because of work), I have also never taken a break of more than 6 or 7 days from the game (Vacation to Florida or some other place).

I have finally gotten all my gear I had when it was Vet 14 / CP 140 and then they upgraded the gear on me to vet 15/16 (cp 150/ cp 160). So as of last night I am pretty much good to go now, btw this is just my basic gear, not VMA, Dragonstar Arena, or trial gear which now I have to work on.

This Bound stuff in Dungeons/trials/arena's have to stop..

oh and ZOS, Jewelry Crafting needs to be a thing for Crafted sets.. in the words of the great Jean Luc Picard (star trek) "Make it so..."

I hope that's a joke. Be damned if i'm refarming all the same dungeons etc that i've already run 100x times.

Krileon

Bind on pickup shouldn't exist anymore. Bind on equip is preferred as it allows free trade and removes items from market rotation.

zuto40

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

Agree 100%. Especially if you bought the game to PVP but you end up most of your time in PVE grinding gear to eventually PVP with the build and setup you want to run. Shouldnt have to run a dungeon 200, 300 times or even more in some cases to get the gear you want.

you spend hours farming for the perfect traits for pvp, then you hear the patch notes are released, then you realized you just wasted months cause your class got nerfed to hell

Rohamad_Ali

I'd like BOP removed . I've never liked it in any game .

Jemcrystal

I don't like dungeon grinds. It promotes the elitism disease. People only party up with those who know how to run a dungeon perfect and fast. Ruined all of Guild Wars 2 dungeons with "speed runs." I don't know that much about TESO dungeons tho because I don't do them. My problem is with healer being a hard class. I'm used to it being easy in other mmo's. So easy it was boring. But I was used to that and I don't want to learn another way. So I'll just stick to role playing and stay out of everyone's way.

Mojmir

This is all they know to add to the game,slow everyone down because they can't develop at the pace of players.
Grinding
Research
Horse riding timers
Motif chapters
Months between fixes/updates
Bad rng
Load screens ( probably a conspiracy theory,but it's still slowing down gameplay)
And the latest edition heavy attack meta!!!

Rainwhisper

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

Especially if you bought the game to PVP ...

Is that a common thing for people to do?

Kiralyn2000

As someone who's never done much dungeon running in any MMO..... eh, I've got no problem with some level of BoP. Why shouldn't there be a bonus for the people who do the harder content? And why should random dude who farmed gold be able to get that stuff for just laying down some cash?

/shrug

(I've seen some games with unbound markets. They've been a mess, in various ways. Along with making the "elites" even more elite, since they'd find the dungeons they could farm/exploit the hardest, flood the market with "best dungeon gear!" and then use their infinite cash supply to further manipulate everything.)

Mojmir

Rainwhisper wrote: »

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

Especially if you bought the game to PVP ...

Is that a common thing for people to do?

if your into pvp yes