Nerf necropotence?

SteveCampsOut

Only Twattrolls ask for nerfs!

Aedaryl

Dantaria wrote: »

@grim_tactics, people are upset with pet builds because of PvE. PetSorc outdpses everything and not by a small margin. By very large margin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm9AHWRbUH0

52k dps single-target. Yep. Seems legit.

The only downside of this build shows in high-end vet trials: pets can be a huge nuisance. And players actually should watch them all the time.

But outside of truly difficult content? Outdps everything with no repercussions.

Familiar damage pulse is only 700 more dps than liquid Lightning and 1.5k more than wall of element.

Liquid Lightning - 1 slot - damage is the same for all ennemie.

Wall of element - 1 slot - same damage for all ennemies - apply burning effect

Familiar : 2 slots - need a deadric pray to make it work - good damage against one target - can die.

What's OP ? Not the pet.

It's liquid Lightning + wall of element + pet, not the pet alone, who is only a bit stronger than other spell that only need one slot to make it work, and not 3 slots + 1 special set.

Nifty2g

Dantaria wrote: »

@grim_tactics, people are upset with pet builds because of PvE. PetSorc outdpses everything and not by a small margin. By very large margin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm9AHWRbUH0

52k dps single-target. Yep. Seems legit.

The only downside of this build shows in high-end vet trials: pets can be a huge nuisance. And players actually should watch them all the time.

But outside of truly difficult content? Outdps everything with no repercussions.

linking dps from a top tier raid group for further your argument. when probably 0.0001% of the community even applies to this. yep. seems legit.

Dantaria

Aedaryl wrote: »

It's liquid Lightning + wall of element + pet, not the pet alone, who is only a bit stronger than other spell that only need one slot to make it work, and not 3 slots + 1 special set.

Erm...

The Familiar damage is the most damaging ability here. Liquid + Blockade alone is outclassed by magDK. MagDK beats NoPetsMagSorc single-target. But Familiar Pulse + Prey takes MagSorc to unbelievable level.

Nifty2g wrote: »

linking dps from a top tier raid group for further your argument. when probably 0.0001% of the community even applies to this. yep. seems legit.

There you go:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/333129/which-parse-is-better

The point is. Nothing outparses PetSorc.

Equally top-tier standard MagSorc doesn't outdps PetSorc. Equally top-tier magDK doesn't outdps PetSorc.

If skill is equal, PetSorc outdps everything significally. How is this fine, pray tell?

idk

LadyLavina wrote: »

There are far too many threads calling for nerfs against sorc. Do people just get wrecked a few times and make a thread calling for (insert class/ability/set here)'s complete and utter destruction?

What's that you say? This isn't specifically against sorc? Please enlighten me about how a werewolf would do anything significant with this. It's about sorcs.

In this case the OP really does not have a clue since his comparison is skewed to begin with.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

Please. Trainee Set is the most OP of all.

Nerf that.

They did.

SnubbS

The set is balanced already. Compared to BSW (PvE), and Spinner (PvP). Nerfing useful sets should be the last thing on ZoS's mind.

Edit: Oh this is about PetSorcs. Okay, nerf away.

paulsimonps wrote: »

You know that would make it worse than this set right? Also necro adds 4k not 7k, it only adds 7k+ if you stack the right things with it. Its not the set itself that is super powerful but the ability to stack max magicka with percentage buffs like Bound Aegis and Inner light and racial passives. Nightblades can use Necropotence too but not to the same extent as a sorcerer cause they don't have Bound Aegis's 8% max magicka. Don't see a reason why you want to nerf it? And hell its a BoE item, its nice to have some BiS sets not be BoP.

NBs have something better than Aegis—a passive giving 8% Max mag.

Pwnyridah

This post has no argument. Even now pet sorcs are still often not allowed for trials. For pvp, this is not a toxic build either. There are way more invincible / bursty builds. Where is this coming from??

ADarklore

lauykanson wrote: »

Right now the set gives you 7k extra magicka which is roughly 700 spell damage, and its 100% uptime as long as your pet is still alive, which also deals a lot of damage as well.

Maybe nerf the 5 piece bonus to extra 2k magicka to make other sets comparable?

Since you are apparently new, I hope this thread has taught you a lesson that if you're going to come to the forums and talk about 'nerfing' anything, you better have numbers, data, and a valid argument to back up your reasoning.

KingJ

GilGalad wrote: »

Baconlad wrote: »

It needs nerfed a tad like 1-2k mag and removed pet requirement. Why do only sorcs get to use the set that gives best defense (buffed shields) and buffed offense?

Why is there only one class that can use the best magicka DPS set really effectively in PVP (DK with BSW)?

Magic sorcs can use BSW and proc it reliable in pvp with force pulse it deals more damage then spinners as well I beileve in pvp.Magblades can also use it but they have to use force pulse.

LegendaryMage

Pwnyridah wrote: »

This post has no argument. Even now pet sorcs are still often not allowed for trials. For pvp, this is not a toxic build either. There are way more invincible / bursty builds. Where is this coming from??

For pvp (apart from pirate skeleton), there's nothing stronger overall in a sorc vs sorc fight than shadowrend + necropotence. Add atronach on backbar, pets are not needed at all. Shield strength and damage scales both off of max magicka, the cps, the % modifiers, and that last bonus from necropotence gives you a whole lot more. Show me one set that in pvp would benefit a sorc more than necropotence? There's nothing that comes close.

In fact, it's so good in PVP that every decent ranged mag nb on EU is running it now as well, and so will I. If you can't beat it, join it.

AcadianPaladin

Necropotence has finally (and thankfully) rendered pet builds fun and reasonably effective. That is a good thing given their drawbacks: Die when you can least afford it. Block your vision in combat (twilight). Require you to keep an eye on them all the time. Run off to pick their own targets in a large, confusing fight (dolmen). Are frankly a nuisance in groups. Require each pet to be slotted on both bars. The time delay and inconvenience of a sorc's 'third bar' does not compensate for that.

There are other sets that can give you the 2 or 3 extra bumps of magicka (at the expense of other thngs like spell damage, crit, recovery). It is that final bump of about 4K that makes the diff. The price of babysitting at least one pet is about right in my opinion.

Nifty2g

Dantaria wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

It's liquid Lightning + wall of element + pet, not the pet alone, who is only a bit stronger than other spell that only need one slot to make it work, and not 3 slots + 1 special set.

Erm...

The Familiar damage is the most damaging ability here. Liquid + Blockade alone is outclassed by magDK. MagDK beats NoPetsMagSorc single-target. But Familiar Pulse + Prey takes MagSorc to unbelievable level.

Nifty2g wrote: »

linking dps from a top tier raid group for further your argument. when probably 0.0001% of the community even applies to this. yep. seems legit.

There you go:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/333129/which-parse-is-better

The point is. Nothing outparses PetSorc.

Equally top-tier standard MagSorc doesn't outdps PetSorc. Equally top-tier magDK doesn't outdps PetSorc.

If skill is equal, PetSorc outdps everything significally. How is this fine, pray tell?

You continued to further your argument by linking a topic which includes more of the 0.0000001% of players this applies to.
You can't simply grab about 5 named sorcs and call it the most incredibly op thing to existence when the other 99.99% of the game doesn't even apply to this.
I play with a Sorcerer hitting 54k single target and no one barely comes even close to that, the second in my group is a Dragonknight who gets 51k single target, then the other Sorcerers come in around 50-51.

So what is your argument? You're basing player skill and trying to make it relevant and calling it incredibly OP even though the rest of your community can't do this?

To further the point even more, running necropotence has a huge downside if you want to see the bigger numbers... you don't have a slot for your shield. Any regular person would just die non stop in a group without using their shield on the fights.

I don't see the issue here, it's just the top tier raid groups pushing limits like they always do.

And one final thing to note. Pets steal buffs, they run off and steal agro on stuff too. The more you fill your raid up the more buffs are getting split. It's a loss once you hit around 4 pets

Lord_Eomer

OP never died from anyone using Necropotense in PVP but still complaining because he is weaker, can not get hands on Necro Set and instead making lame posts!

max_only

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Baconlad wrote: »

It needs nerfed a tad like 1-2k mag and removed pet requirement. Why do only sorcs get to use the set that gives best defense (buffed shields) and buffed offense?

@Baconlad Two classes can use it and soon to be a third.

Nightblades have pets?

colig

max_only wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Baconlad wrote: »

It needs nerfed a tad like 1-2k mag and removed pet requirement. Why do only sorcs get to use the set that gives best defense (buffed shields) and buffed offense?

@Baconlad Two classes can use it and soon to be a third.

Nightblades have pets?

Shade counts as a pet I think.

Lexxypwns

GilGalad wrote: »

Baconlad wrote: »

It needs nerfed a tad like 1-2k mag and removed pet requirement. Why do only sorcs get to use the set that gives best defense (buffed shields) and buffed offense?

Why is there only one class that can use the best magicka DPS set really effectively in PVP (DK with BSW)?

sorc can use bsw insanely well, its easily their BiS offensive set for pvp and is easier to use than necro on a pvp sorc build at that...

Alpheu5

April 1st was almost 3 weeks ago. It's a little late for this.

Tasear

People like to destroy other's toys...why. :'(

Tasear

alexkdd99 wrote: »

gethemshauna wrote: »

ZOS doesnt care about balance in his own game, mag sorcs are already pulling 75k+ on zhajhassa and 65k+ on rakkhat, zos staff is irresponsible, twisting path doesn't scale with thaumaturge for over 2 years now, this game bases only on Magicka Sorcerer now, end-game pve has no point.

Yea that's why mag sorc has been repeatedly nerfed. Shield timers from 20 to 6. The stored ultimate being cut down to 500 from 1000, only affects mag sorcs. Those are 2 pretty big nerfs. Alot of things in the game have been broken for awhile.

But those who continue on adapt and overcome.

The only thing that has no point is this thread.

Remember bolt escape!

Just saying ...ever notice how there was only 1 sorc before this.... because it was nerfed to the ground. Dark magick skill like is still useless, mines are a joke, you can run faster than using bolt escape. Yes they are powerful but not without there weakness, so instead of others try to better yourself instead. Experiment, explore, try the impossible ...dare I say go against meta... be something like a werewolf healer.

Tasear

Baconlad wrote: »

It needs nerfed a tad like 1-2k mag and removed pet requirement. Why do only sorcs get to use the set that gives best defense (buffed shields) and buffed offense?

takes skill to keep the pet alive and you lose dps or heal when it dies. You see numbers... but look at the gameplay.

altemriel

lauykanson wrote: »

Right now the set gives you 7k extra magicka which is roughly 700 spell damage, and its 100% uptime as long as your pet is still alive, which also deals a lot of damage as well.

Maybe nerf the 5 piece bonus to extra 2k magicka to make other sets comparable?

nope, it is the only help for my magblade!!! please stop!!!

Araviel2

its still not good enough for me to justify the use of pets.

Tasear

altemriel wrote: »

lauykanson wrote: »

Right now the set gives you 7k extra magicka which is roughly 700 spell damage, and its 100% uptime as long as your pet is still alive, which also deals a lot of damage as well.

Maybe nerf the 5 piece bonus to extra 2k magicka to make other sets comparable?

nope, it is the only help for my magblade!!! please stop!!!

Notice the evil smiley face... this is a conspiracy. For the most part you know Templar are top dogs in dps. Just sorcerers shows off to much and get the axe.

arkansas_ESO

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Pwnyridah wrote: »

This post has no argument. Even now pet sorcs are still often not allowed for trials. For pvp, this is not a toxic build either. There are way more invincible / bursty builds. Where is this coming from??

For pvp (apart from pirate skeleton), there's nothing stronger overall in a sorc vs sorc fight than shadowrend + necropotence. Add atronach on backbar, pets are not needed at all. Shield strength and damage scales both off of max magicka, the cps, the % modifiers, and that last bonus from necropotence gives you a whole lot more. Show me one set that in pvp would benefit a sorc more than necropotence? There's nothing that comes close.

In fact, it's so good in PVP that every decent ranged mag nb on EU is running it now as well, and so will I. If you can't beat it, join it.

Just because a set is popular with a class doesn't mean it's over performing. By that logic, Seducer would be overperforming because it's very widely used magic DKs.

Also, to those of you that have an issue with max magic/stamina builds: just go to no CP. The loss of 4-5k base max magic from no CP basis makes these builds lackluster.

Tinus_92

Tasear wrote: »

altemriel wrote: »

lauykanson wrote: »

Right now the set gives you 7k extra magicka which is roughly 700 spell damage, and its 100% uptime as long as your pet is still alive, which also deals a lot of damage as well.

Maybe nerf the 5 piece bonus to extra 2k magicka to make other sets comparable?

nope, it is the only help for my magblade!!! please stop!!!

Notice the evil smiley face... this is a conspiracy. For the most part you know Templar are top dogs in dps. Just sorcerers shows off to much and get the axe.

Templars are still in a decent position, but magdks and especially magsorcs do hit harder. Note that magblades and stamina builds aren't mentioned or seen in toplevel raids at all. Half our group exists of petsorc builds.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

1 - every class can be over powered if you really study potential gear load outs
2 - if you're wearing 5 light necropotence in Cyrodiil you're a crazy person.

leepalmer95

I love it when people argue pve with nifty. It makes me giggle a little.

If zos do decide to nerf it, which im hoping they won't even look at this stupid misleading thread then it would at the minimum be 2.5k for the 5th piece and then they'd need to remove the pet requirement.

People do give up skill slots in order to actually use the 5th piece, its 2 minimum on a sorc and 1 on a nb.


Do pets still steal heals/ buffs in a raid group?

GreenhaloX

I have finally all 8 characters with all the different classes and ability group and have leveled up 6 (about to level up the final two) all to maxed CP. I have enjoyed experiencing the different classes and abilities of each different toons. Yes, I have noticed certain abilities from certain toon class are weaker than others or have been nerfed. If one more thing.. ZOS.. I mean "one" more ability/skill are being nerfed, I don't care what skill.. "I am out!!!" You will lose a good paying customer; I'm not sure if you care or not.

Nerfing is stupid.. it is backward progress.. you get it!! All things, business or not.. life.. needs to be about forward progress. Quit nerfing things, but rather bump up skillsets as needed. Oh my lord, you're having a good experience with a skill or ability, then it gets nerfed and your experience is no longer good or fun. Whoever brought up this nerfing thing at ZOS need to get tied up on a stake and get mudballed for hours. Mudball with poo, man!

LegendaryMage

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Pwnyridah wrote: »

This post has no argument. Even now pet sorcs are still often not allowed for trials. For pvp, this is not a toxic build either. There are way more invincible / bursty builds. Where is this coming from??

For pvp (apart from pirate skeleton), there's nothing stronger overall in a sorc vs sorc fight than shadowrend + necropotence. Add atronach on backbar, pets are not needed at all. Shield strength and damage scales both off of max magicka, the cps, the % modifiers, and that last bonus from necropotence gives you a whole lot more. Show me one set that in pvp would benefit a sorc more than necropotence? There's nothing that comes close.

In fact, it's so good in PVP that every decent ranged mag nb on EU is running it now as well, and so will I. If you can't beat it, join it.

Just because a set is popular with a class doesn't mean it's over performing. By that logic, Seducer would be overperforming because it's very widely used magic DKs.

Also, to those of you that have an issue with max magic/stamina builds: just go to no CP. The loss of 4-5k base max magic from no CP basis makes these builds lackluster.

That's not what I said. I said there's nothing better (overall) for a mag sorc & nb to go for nowadays in terms of damage and defense, and if there is, do tell please because I'd love to hear your reasoning behind it. I'm reviewing all sets fairly often and I don't see any combo (with or without monster sets) that would produce more defense and offense at the same time, without utilizing necropotence.

I'm talking about PVP of course, I barely play PVE nowadays so I don't really have time to compare numbers with BSW or any other popular set, regardless of what class we're talking about.