How do you feel about Warden （skill discussion)）

Lyserus

So with the Warden skill article out (http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2017/04/13/warden-guide-skill-lines-and-abilities)

How do u feel about Warden?
（I want ppl to debate about it intensively so I can decide what roles should i give to my new Warden char）So please do

AlienatedGoat

Seems balance, have its strong suit but not overpowering other classes

I'll wait till I actually play it to say for sure.

magictucktuck

Warden is stronger than templar in anyway

thinking of PVP its going to outshine Templar, for me at least. I hate that your major resist buffs do not follow you. also you have heals that also give major defile. and MOBILITY!

now i just dont like Templars, so it might not be BETTER but i will enjoy warden lots more




edit: oh and stamina heal!

NewBlacksmurf

Well first off I wouldn't try and compare classes as what is best because they are all very different and most don't cross over another.

At a glance it's going to be great to have another class who has a healing skill line but Templars are mainly burst healers whil Wardens are HoT healers

In terms of DPS, they are similar to no other class as it's going to require DoT stacking and timing

Overall from what they've shared, it's just a new and different class. But knowing drastic changes will come it's unlikely that this class will be what some consider OP as the choices and builds are plentiful

In the PvP conversations this often becomes a concern as so many want to use builds and rotations vs being open to always swapping on the fly use and timing of skills and gear

Kendaric

Seems balance, have its strong suit but not overpowering other classes

I may not like all skills, but so far it seems pretty balanced. I'll reserve judgement until I've played it though.

bubbygink

Seems balance, have its strong suit but not overpowering other classes

Hard to tell without actually playing around with it or even seeing the exact numbers on the abilities it but seems balanced from the look of it. They do have some powerful buffs and debuffs though, e.g. major maim (30% reduced dmg!), minor protection, minor berserk, major defile, major mending, major resolve/ward (to all nearby allies), major prophecy/savagery, and even major protection (albeit through an ult).

paulsimonps

Seems balance, have its strong suit but not overpowering other classes

Shouldn't it say "stronger than *class* in EVERY WAY", and not anyway?

I like the warden, I liked it when I playtested it at ZOS HQ and I like it still now after the changes I have seen.

It looks much more viable as a main tank even in trials now and I will be running an off tank warden and one healer warden in my trial groups. I did some preliminary test builds I am looking forward to test in regards to DPS on the PTS. My focus will be on a magicka Warden but Stamina I feel will work out really well too. Hopefully we might be able to see the warden bridge the gap a bit DPS wise in regards to Ranged stamina DPS.

Vaoh

Seems balance, have its strong suit but not overpowering other classes

It's very well done! Gonna be absolutely awesome to see Wardens everywhere the first week as well!

I'm gonna main a Warden June 6th onward

CaiWenji

Warden is stronger than templar in anyway

I was split between balance and Templar so I chose Templar since that has been getting lots of nerfs lately.

paulsimonps

Seems balance, have its strong suit but not overpowering other classes

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Well first off I wouldn't try and compare classes as what is best because they are all very different and most don't cross over another.

At a glance it's going to be great to have another class who has a healing skill line but Templars are mainly burst healers whil Wardens are HoT healers

In terms of DPS, they are similar to no other class as it's going to require DoT stacking and timing

Overall from what they've shared, it's just a new and different class. But knowing drastic changes will come it's unlikely that this class will be what some consider OP as the choices and builds are plentiful

In the PvP conversations this often becomes a concern as so many want to use builds and rotations vs being open to always swapping on the fly use and timing of skills and gear

ALL PvE DPS is DoT stacking, this will be no different what so ever.

Uriel_Nocturne

Seems balance, have its strong suit but not overpowering other classes

From what I can see, the Warden seems balanced in the various Tank/Healer/DPS roles with the other Classes.

But that's just what I can see on paper. It may be different once we see what happens in-game, and there's probably going to be tweaks and changes between now and Morrowind release, so all of this could change.

But right now I'm favorable towards the Warden's skill trees. They seem pretty well balanced and thought out on paper so far.

CaiWenji

Warden is stronger than templar in anyway

paulsimonps wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Well first off I wouldn't try and compare classes as what is best because they are all very different and most don't cross over another.

At a glance it's going to be great to have another class who has a healing skill line but Templars are mainly burst healers whil Wardens are HoT healers

In terms of DPS, they are similar to no other class as it's going to require DoT stacking and timing

Overall from what they've shared, it's just a new and different class. But knowing drastic changes will come it's unlikely that this class will be what some consider OP as the choices and builds are plentiful

In the PvP conversations this often becomes a concern as so many want to use builds and rotations vs being open to always swapping on the fly use and timing of skills and gear

ALL PvE DPS is DoT stacking, this will be no different what so ever.

yeah I agree and think in general they will be great classes but mostly balanced. I voted how I did cause I'm still salty about how Restoring Light Ulti was shortened and the recent beam skill damage reduction.

SneaK

It's going to be great in groups and make reactive Templar zergs that much more annoying. Seems like all the defensive buffs it will provide to groups will make fights even longer, and zerg warfare even worse.

Lyserus

Warden is stronger than templar in anyway

CaiWenji wrote: »

I was split between balance and Templar so I chose Templar since that has been getting lots of nerfs lately.

I feel the same…Templar has been nerfed a lot, and it seems Warden is providing more utilities

STEVIL

Seems balance, have its strong suit but not overpowering other classes

Disclaimer that of course major changes are coming to base so...

All in all it appeals to me a little but isn't exciting. i see it as versatile enough to solo much of the content and swap being ok at most roles but dont see it as excelling at anything in particular.

that as i said is appealing but not exciting so... i will play it.

planning for an argonian magica and a bosmer stamina pair... more for feel that minmax.

Dark_Aether

Seems balance, have its strong suit but not overpowering other classes

I think it will be powerful in certain applications like support roles, but things will not change for specific areas:
- MagSorc will still be top PVE dps
- DK will still be best tank
- Magplar will still be best healer
- StamDK will still be beast in 1v1
- MagSorc will still have top burst in PVP

Will people find and come up with broken builds upon release like one shot with Cliff Racer? Definitely! But I am sure those are not intended and will be nerfed asap.

CountEdmondDantes

Seems balance, have its strong suit but not overpowering other classes

How do I feel about the Warden class?

Take it away, Aldos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PanFE_EJcQ

Stamden

Seems balance, have its strong suit but not overpowering other classes

It seems okay so far. Was really hoping it would be better with Stamina.

lolo_01b16_ESO

Where do I find actual damage / healing numbers of of warden skills? And if there are no numbers yet, how am I supposed to select my answer? It strongly depends on numbers whether skills are strong or not. For example if sleet storm does as much damage as eots, it's too strong, if it does next to no damage, most wardens will probably use a different ulti.

Strider_Roshin

Seems like a slap in the face for anyone that wanted to play a stam Warden.

starlizard70ub17_ESO

Seems balance, have its strong suit but not overpowering other classes

I really like that most of the skill morphs have a magic and a stamina choice. Although it seems you'll need to play the magic side until you level up to the stamina morphs, then do a stat respec. Or at least rely on weapon skills until you get to the stamina morphs. Warden, on paper, looks strong enough to do most normal content, quests, dungeons, etc, solo with either a magic or stamina build. But I see Warden's strongest role as group support in trials, group dungeons and (maybe) PvP, since a lot of their skills seem group buff orientated.

datgladiatah

Seems balance, have its strong suit but not overpowering other classes

I just want to change two things, the cliff racer stam morph, and the impaling shards frost spell. I like that it scales off max health, I just wish it either ALSO scaled off max magicka OR had a morph that allowed it to scale off that. It seems like a nice AOE but from what I'm seeing, damage dealing as a Warden is going to be like playing a stamsorc-- use your class abilities to buff and use weapon spells. Not that there's anything wrong with using weapon lines, I just wish I didn't have to use 60% other skill line abilities to do what I'm imagining.

I never wanted an ice mage dps. But I think a FEW ice spells could have been dps. Idk how sleet storm physically works but most people don't seem to think slotting it would be useful. And besides, I'd much rather slot the bear. THAT seems strong

Cinbri

Seems balance, have its strong suit but not overpowering other classes

Most importantly - it don't have useles skills or morphs like some current classes. This is alone is a big plus.

Lynx7386

Seems balance, have its strong suit but not overpowering other classes

I think we finally have a semi viable hybrid option.

Prior to seeing the other trees I was planning on going with more of a stamina based warden tank, but now I'm back to thinking full hybrid.

There's a lot of passives and skills that effect both magicka and stamina here, and according to the info today bull netch gives both major brutality and major sorcery just like Molten weapons for dk.

Agobi

I feel nothing,since the class isn't released yet..

Once it is, if I buy the expansion and try it...I will make up my mind..

Useless speculation is useless

Anti_Virus

Warden seems boring and weak

Stam version so far is bad

Inhuman003

I'm going to have to play the Warden to know if it's good or not. if its good I'm tanking one character and healing the other character. But if the Warden is bad at tanking and healing, ZoS will have no choice but to bring plan B Barbarian class, Warrior class, Battlemage class.

Edziu

Seems balance, have its strong suit but not overpowering other classes

it will have some op skills but like every other class and this class will be more for support, some for tank maybe dd but still dk will be the best tank like templar the best healer and warden wont be the best dps, only can be option for stamina range but this is still not sure how it will be looking after release

Nerouyn

OP'ness can't be judged from ability descriptions. The devil is in the details, ie. the numbers.

Extreme example if every warden ability did 1 hp damage, then every other class would roflstomp all over them.

dday3six

I wouldn't call it boring and weak, but I do think it sounds boring.

Zinaroth

Warden seems boring and weak

It feels like the mentality is that if you play stamina it's a sactifice you make.
They need to revisit a lot of the stamina morphs - some of them don't even add additional effects.