Daggerfall Covenant queuing into Aldmeri Dominion Servers as Aldmeri Dominion tying up our server

Nermy

Winnamine wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

Normally when a ZOS name says they are looking in to it, followed by a long period of time of not talking about it. It means, they found a problem and evidence of people exploiting it. They will either spend months trying to fix it, with varied levels of success, or look the other way.

It would be nice, when ZOS found an exploit like this, that they would just come right out and say it is an exploit and people should stop doing it. Cough cough, like the outpost flipping that went on for a week, and not a peep out of them until a month after the fact. Even when people directly asked about it.

It might just be that with the PTS going on and everything, this is a low priority right now.
I mean, let's be honest, while it's annoying and should be fixed, it's not actually game breaking or anything....unless the OP is right about cross faction queues counting against the wrong faction's pop cap AND people are doing this in large enough numbers to really make a difference.

Sometimes it feels like they are but Like you, I really can't see it. Nevertheless, it needs to be stopped.

Nermy

Still waiting...

OutLaw_Nynx

Still happening

OutLaw_Nynx

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Durham

Tonight someone in red again accusing yellow of locking them out .....Seriously some of you guys are something we got zerged down maybe 10 times tonight by 21 to 28 reds the largest organized group that I saw was 8 yellows (Dead Wait) 9:20 pm est... ... not talking about the blues ... yellow was dead ... you control the whole map have a locked out population ... you zerg here you zerg there ... Red you had PVE guilds there tonight we wiped 15 with 8 behind the relic wall with no relic... .you had a large on in IC.... there are more of you then you think on...

There were no yellows on tonight /zone people would log in and say where is fighting looking for group...
. Crickets....

You guys PVP doors most of the night you run over us you claim there are 20 of us when we have 6 to 8 and no adds I swear your counting guards . We got ran over by a count of 28 one red told me we had at least 20... nope we were byourselves we were so far north no yellows were around..
... we got s ooo tired of the crap tonight we went to IC... guess what there was a red PVE guild down there also farming ... You were locked we had no one on except random small pugs ...

THERE IS NO LARGE YELLOW GUILD LEFT ....DIG left Had last week... you guys are fighting small pugs not in vent or anything .... there is no organization no leadership nothing ... Dead Wait will start taking a few things during primetime but we are a small force 90% of the time ...we did break a record last week 11 people were in a group for about 15 mins.. we try to avoid Red if we can and look for a smaller force most of the time its blues..

We actually avoid fighting Reds because they run so many people together on a low pop server.... we try to fight blues most of the time more even numbers....better fights they don't run in with 20 people in a ball and drop 7 ults on 6 people....

Seriously everywhere we went we saw reds in every spot we were out numbered 3 to 1 in most situations

Its very frustrating ..when we are severely outnumber in 99% of the situations and you think it's even numbers ......... btw when I log we owned not one keep... and we were locking you out lol....one of you log into yellow and play a little it's dead ...

If disabling the group will stop this idea that yellow is locking red plz do it ... plzzzzzzzzzzzz

Durham

More nights like tonight and Dead Wait will be gone .. this server is almost dead it's known as the emp farming server by the rest of the game... the only reason we are still here is we hate the lag on true flame .. Another small blue guild left last week ... the large AD guild left last Tuesday.. Red you guys have the only large group guild left on the server during primetime...

Durham

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

See like this guy ? Are you serious do you have any idea how bad it is in yellow... there is no one on ... we left to go to IC because it was so bad in Cyrodil...

DTStormfox

@Durham don't act like EP is the only one zerging, every alliance does it. For example yesterday evening on Azura server the Covenant dominated EP with two massive zergs. Sometimes EP also has a locked server but it looks like there is nobody on EP side and DC has only 3 bars and 4 full raids. But zerging is not the point of this discussion. It is the abuse of grouping to lock an alliance population to either get low population bonus or to squeeze in more players on the server than it would allow for one alliance.

Durham

DTStormfox wrote: »

@Durham don't act like EP is the only one zerging, every alliance does it. For example yesterday evening on Azura server the Covenant dominated EP with two massive zergs. Sometimes EP also has a locked server but it looks like there is nobody on EP side and DC has only 3 bars and 4 full raids. But zerging is not the point of this discussion. It is the abuse of grouping to lock an alliance population to either get low population bonus or to squeeze in more players on the server than it would allow for one alliance.

Who said EP is the only zerging Alliance out there .... Our zerging guild left ... I stated that .. The reason we hate true flame is because of huge groups running in balls.... and lag so bad at time you cant switch your bars like you should be able to ..... thats why we are here ... I do not care how people play honestly and zerging has it function in the game .. I also believe that the devs like zerging soooooooooo to each is there own....

I think you mistook frustration over this issue after running a small guild group and getting hit by 20+ running together in three different spots on the map and our alliances who only had 1 organized group of about 7 or 8 getting tells from Red saying we are cheating because they were locked last night ... like I said in the post above if you see 6 or 10 yellow defending at a keep 90% of the time there is no group they are mostly in groups of 2 to 3 people not in vent ... There is no leadership or large scale organization during prime time on yellow... when you start taking objective there is no person sitting back trying to defend against you guys ... Thursday night we tried to defend with a handful of yellow honestly it was the worst game play of the week for us ... So we usually do not get involved anymore in defending Yellow keeps we will just take them back after you leave and go play with blue or something lol

BTW there is absolutely no reason to run 24 people together on Had ... 12 people will get you the same results in fighting groups here ... for example if you run 7 to 8 the AP here is really nice most nights after a few hours we can be well over 200k we usually have 5 or 6 in the top 10 of AD every week ... We never really have #1 because someone always comes in to emp farm on Tuesdays we only play prime time really and we are casual we do not play many hours a day....

Back when yellow control the map when we had a large group guild running Yellow zerged ... I do not like that this type of play but each is there own.. Large group guilds are needed IMO to counter the other alliances.... However when you control the map 1 thing happens PVE guild come into Cyrodil ... Last night there were two large PVE guilds RED in IC and behind gates looking to get Sky Shards... also when we controlled the server I know of one guild that would bring a battle group into IC to farm it (strictly PVE) by the way PVE is multiple alliance now....

Nermy

Ok, just slightly derailed...

Any information on groups using other faction queues?

Subversus

Publius_Scipio wrote: »

Not sure about the rest of you, but I wouldn't be surprised if Miat is the one behind all of this.

Probably finds the populations unbalanced so he decided to balance them on his own.

VirtualElizabeth

I belong to a couple multi faction PVE guilds but for PVP we go with EP. We ran a skyshard event on Saturday night and queued for Azura Star EP and one guy kept getting kicked whenever the group leader would queue us. Ends up this one guy was on his non EP toon.

So how is it that this works for other factions and not for EP? Sounds like this might be a rumor???

Takuto

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

I belong to a couple multi faction PVE guilds but for PVP we go with EP. We ran a skyshard event on Saturday night and queued for Azura Star EP and one guy kept getting kicked whenever the group leader would queue us. Ends up this one guy was on his non EP toon.

So how is it that this works for other factions and not for EP? Sounds like this might be a rumor???

When the non-EP player was kicked, did he still get put into the campaign? Did the rest of the group?

Kungfu

@VirtualElizabeth thank you for providing constructive input. I would love to see that this has been resolved.
As we have not tested this recently, I will see if I can organize a test this week and, if you're interested, I will be happy to provide you with our constants, general unknowns, and at least the basic result set. That is, if you would be willing to do the same so that we can either put this to bed as resolved or provide ZOS with more data.

Although, I am not a fan of sharing too many details as I don't want to unintentionally muddy your attempts with ours. So I want to be careful and not share data that could be misconstrued as emotionally affected.




Why so crazy defensive over an issue you are so positive doesn't exist? If it doesn't exist, what could possibly be the harm in testing yourselves, promoting investigation, or (god forbid) just staying quiet? This is not a cry for nerf, it's not a whine over losing, so why do you seem to have so much to lose that you would go to such lengths here to interfere with a request to investigate?

I don't know you and I have nothing to prove to you. Yet I find myself inexplicably drawn in here today. Based on your behavior, I couldn't care less about your opinions.
However, as one human being to another: I think you will find a happier life by trying to recognize which torches are *worth* bearing and maybe researching a bit before committing so whole-hog to just any cause that crosses your path.

We're not asking YOU to look into it. The OP didn't start with "hey Durham and Takuto please respond..." Recommending You try some tests? Yes. If you want to get involved, I wholeheartedly encourage it.

If you're so sure I'm as stupid as you claim, what have you tested, please and what were your results?

All I see thus far are attempts at derailing this into win / loss whining. This never was about that from my end - that much is clear.

Durham, I'm sorry you're so angry, brother, but you of all people should know my statements have nothing to do with winning or losing: we've won Haddy enough... and (assuming you ARE Durhame) you have been there when we've won AND lost fights.

I've personally been rolled by you and your group plenty of times. Good fights mostly, too. But do you see me in here whining when I lose?
No. You don't: I lose all the time and I've got a post count to prove it. If I posted rants because I lost, I'd be in here every other day.

On wining a campaign? Emp? Scrolls? I truly don't care. What I do care about is the health of the game, Cyrodiil in particular, because I really only enjoy wining a fight when I know I stayed within the ruleset.

Knowing that my enemy is restricted to the same ruleset makes it a good fight and a game worth playing.

*edit - stupid autocorrect. S'what I get for doin this on the phone*

Takuto

@Kungfu
Was actually trying to encourage the thread back on track, after asking Durhame (offline) to stop hijacking this thread. As I know personally how annoying it can be to have it done to my own threads. I really don't think calling him out like that will help get the thread back on track.

He (apparently) posted back here because someone once again sent him a tell in campaign because somehow they thought he had magically locked red on the haderus campaign again.

This but doesn't much affect people like us who PvP on nearly dead campaigns. I still want to see it addressed by ZOS as much as anyone, if only for the reason that we are STILL getting hit with some pretty insane accusations regarding this bug.

Kungfu

Well hell... That's what I get for skipping the wall-o-texts and replying based only on my own quick opinions.

My apologies: I clearly misunderstood your intentions and was definitely NOT intending to rez a buried lich.
Here's to hoping removal of the @ callouts after the fact does something beneficial.

Takuto

Kungfu wrote: »

Well hell... That's what I get for skipping the wall-o-texts and replying based only on my own quick opinions.

My apologies: I clearly misunderstood your intentions and was definitely NOT intending to rez a buried lich.
Here's to hoping removal of the @ callouts after the fact does something beneficial.

Thanks

I suspect ZOS hasn't responded to this bug because they don't want to call attention to it for fear of people abusing it to skip the queue in locked campaigns like TF.

Kungfu

Possible for sure.
My fear is that whatever tools are used to count players like this could also be the ones providing data to shareholders. And that possibly these things would be ignored because pop lock across the board looks like profitable populations where an accurate report may cause a few people to ask where their money is really going.

waitwhat

I think they're busy with launch and don't have much of an idea what to do. This sounds like a relic of when Alliance meant a lot more than it does now unfortunately.

As for them not working on this to hide things from shareholders: ZOS is an operating division of Zenimax Media, a privately traded company. There are not shareholders in the sense to which most are accustomed. The stakeholders to whom ZOS answers have sufficient concentration of power and authority to outright demand metrics such as number of active users logged in over a given period. There is no hiding it from them, at least not so long as one wishes to keep one's job. At times it seems like ZOS is a newly-founded company struggling to get it's bearings, and there is some truth to that impression. Zenimax Media is no such company, and data obfuscation in one of their operating divisions is unlikely to get past them.

If anything nefarious is going on, it would more likely be that ESO's revenue stream is based more and more on crown store purchases than subscriptions, and subscriptions themselves are often of more benefit to questers and PvE-ers than us PvP-ers. Thus, rectifying this issue, though a threat to the integrity of the alliance-based PvP system, is shunted down the priority list by nature of the metrics that do matter to stakeholders.

I'm an AD ultranationalist, and have always suspected something like this pop-lock exploit was going on, but even I'm not expecting any substantive work on this until a month after Morrowind drops, at least.

Nermy

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

I belong to a couple multi faction PVE guilds but for PVP we go with EP. We ran a skyshard event on Saturday night and queued for Azura Star EP and one guy kept getting kicked whenever the group leader would queue us. Ends up this one guy was on his non EP toon.

So how is it that this works for other factions and not for EP? Sounds like this might be a rumor???

Yeah, he would have been kicked from the group to his home gates. Or was he kicked from Cyro?

VirtualElizabeth

Takuto wrote: »

VirtualElizabeth wrote: »

I belong to a couple multi faction PVE guilds but for PVP we go with EP. We ran a skyshard event on Saturday night and queued for Azura Star EP and one guy kept getting kicked whenever the group leader would queue us. Ends up this one guy was on his non EP toon.

So how is it that this works for other factions and not for EP? Sounds like this might be a rumor???

When the non-EP player was kicked, did he still get put into the campaign? Did the rest of the group?

He was removed from the group and the queue. Eventually we made it in - but since we were 4th or 5th in line we queued in after he realized what the issue was.

Takllin

I think you misunderstood how the system works.

pcar944

this has been going on forever

there is also AD logging onto EP toons

and believe it or not, there are SOME EP/DC players that have characters on the EP/DC

what do you want to talk about?

also, the DC logging into AD are not just a few players, but guilds, start checking their @ names, you will see

nobody cares, log in, get your ass kicked, get some AP, move on, nobody cares about Alliance War

Jitterbug

holy hell thats cheesy

Bramir

Is this real? ZOS?

Nermy

Bramir wrote: »

Is this real? ZOS?

They're looking into it...

aegisfire1975

Will this be fixed in the Morrowind update? This is still a big issue for us. It's making PVP life very difficult. Thanks.

DemonNinja

This is still occurring - Reds are doing it right now on the Vivec map. Please @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_BrianWheeler.

CAN WE PLEASE GET AN UPDATE ON THIS GAME BREAKING BUG.

All 3 factions on vivec are currently pop locked but Red has 4 zergs on the map and groups to spare - clearly there is some queue cheating going on.

Edited for spelling.

Rohamad_Ali

This is the usual response when there is something they can't fix . It's like playing statue with a T-rex . If they just be quiet and don't move then we'll get distracted and move on .

Minalan

Nermy wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

Is this real? ZOS?

They're looking into it...

Their heads are stuck up somewhere really dark, but they're not in a cardboard box...