[Video]The QAM HAM, DW Magic Sorc build. 58K MAGICKA?!! What Wrobel DOESN'T want you to know!!!

Lord_Hev

Subversus wrote: »

@NBrookus exactly! Shields are very important in the current meta imo, and with 55k max mag my dampen is quite big :P 55k max magicka should be enough damage as it is, the spell damage bonus is just not needed. I guess my last statement might have been a little wonky... What I meant is that I get more max magic out of ancient grace which is what the build I use is aiming for.

I for one know that I'd not use willpower over ancient on my magblade, and pet sorcs running the same build would totally not use it as they only run 1 shield, so it has to be as big as possible.

I'm curious about this. Have you tested both Ancient's Grace and Willpower in your set-up? Do you know of how the 4% max magic bonus calculates? Last time I tried Ancients grace was in Dark Brotherhood patch, and felt underwhelmed the magic I gained with it was only slightly more then running 3 gold shadowdancer jewelry. That was with my old build with 45k magic(47k with 3 shadowdancer jewelry) on my Lich/Julianos. This was also the patch that made adjustments(nerfs) to the effectiveness of continual percentage stacking.

Maybe I'll try this if I can find cheap sharpened Ancient Grace swords, I would like to hear more of your experience and stats with this.

Lord_Hev

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

All this talk of thief versus shadow...

If you get reasonably close to 50% crit, shadow is best for your burst unequivocally, unless your build is a rare case which the thief would push near or over 67% crit.

QAM, have you tested your burst with shadow and slimecraw? I assume you stick with magicka for the mix of damage and defensive contributions.

I've tried both Shadow and Mage on this spec. I honestly feel equal damage in both for the most part. Shadow is probably more beneficial when I run witchmothers and no bound aegis. But I feel mage does more consistent damage when I go full yolo with Bound Aegis and a 58k magic pool for frag and meteor bursts.


I have not tested Slimecraw. I have yet to acquire any pieces of this set. But I imagine it could work just as well. This route, Shadow Stone would definitely be better then mage.

Stratforge

Subversus wrote: »

@Minalan that is simply not true. Willpower is better to a certain point, once you pass that max mag treshhold ancient becomes better. Why do you think necro ancient grace master's staff is BIS for pet sorcs and not necro willpower? Like fam it's a percentage. Not to mention spell damage, if you're going max mag spell damage is eww

What do you think that threshold is? I have heard people make this point before and I don't think I agree. I'm not a sabermetrics guy but it seems like even assuming a generous base mag pool, 4% won't be enough to make it worth running. I'm unwilling to do even the most rudimentary calculation to confirm my suspicion on this.

NBrookus

Magus wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

I did the math the other day; you have to something like 60k magicka before Grace is better than Willpower if you are looking at damage output when you lose the Willpower spell damage bonus. (Of course shields are something else.)

@Minalan It scales off you base magicka pool? Or base + enchants + armor bonuses? If it does include Inner Light/Bound Aegis, that 60k figure was low.

I don't remember to be honest, all I know is that I did better with four piece spinner (I didn't have shadow dancer, but the bonuses are the same).

I tried the QAM build (four necro/four spinner/willpower) and it didn't work out due to lack of Magicka sustain, stamina sustain and no impen. I tried adding a piece of bloodspawn, then impen on small pieces, etc. What I ended up with still didn't work well.

Every HA block DK built to win a long resource grind can beat it. Encase spammers can beat it, especially when they get behind you and burst in a Destro ult. Ice staff root spammers can always tie it. Heavy armor nightblades can tie or beat it. The build had too many hard counters for my taste. So I went with something closer to Reddington's build.

I think most people won't be successful with this build but that's a credit to QAM's skill and his team synergy with his partner(s). He has used this build and iterations of it for a long time. The trick to fighting magsorcs like this is to put pressure on them and make them go turtle defensive and shield stack and just look out for their burst and don't let it caught you off guard. If you go after QAM's pocket healer/tank, he will stand off to the side and nuke you one by one. If you target QAM, he will go defensive or streak away enough distance from his support, leaving them to die alone without their DPS.

The success of any build is also going revolve around it matching your playstyle. I started PvPing on a sorc and didn't have any success at all until I stopped playing it safe and got out in front and started being aggressive with a hammy DW build. (Success: managing to kill some players before dying. It was a start.) Maybe some of those encase spammers hiding in the back hoping their Infernal Guardian will kill someone will get inspired to lose some inhibitions and try something totally new.

So tried a modified version of this build tonight, for a breton so moar damage less max magicka. The results were very good single target. Large groups were a weakness, but they always are. I successfully 1v4'd when I hadn't played sorc since CP didn't exist. And 4v10'd an emp group with a pve'er and another rusty player and only one player comfortable with their class.

If I want to take a long time to die, I'll templar or mag DK. If I want to kill (kill, veins in my teeth, kiiiiill), something like this build fits quite well.

NBrookus

P.S. at 700 regen, I had no significant sustain issues with 52k magicka to draw from.

Subversus

Stratforge wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

@Minalan that is simply not true. Willpower is better to a certain point, once you pass that max mag treshhold ancient becomes better. Why do you think necro ancient grace master's staff is BIS for pet sorcs and not necro willpower? Like fam it's a percentage. Not to mention spell damage, if you're going max mag spell damage is eww

What do you think that threshold is? I have heard people make this point before and I don't think I agree. I'm not a sabermetrics guy but it seems like even assuming a generous base mag pool, 4% won't be enough to make it worth running. I'm unwilling to do even the most rudimentary calculation to confirm my suspicion on this.

I don't know man, players much more experienced than me theorycrafted my build. All I know is that they tried willpower and stuck with ancient grace. Heck they even tried trainee with necro as combos. The goal is to get as much magicka as possible for them shields, as one already has enough damage.

Malamar1229

lol wish i saw the comments in here about the Grace set before I sent you that PM this morning.

Why don't you just go ping pong balls deeps and use green food lol

Lord_Hev

Malamar1229 wrote: »

lol wish i saw the comments in here about the Grace set before I sent you that PM this morning.

Why don't you just go ping pong balls deeps and use green food lol

I have... lol. But 16k health is waaay too yolo and leaves me so vulnerable. I only use it when either AD or EP has Emp so I can at least have 18k health.

Stratforge

Subversus wrote: »

Stratforge wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

@Minalan that is simply not true. Willpower is better to a certain point, once you pass that max mag treshhold ancient becomes better. Why do you think necro ancient grace master's staff is BIS for pet sorcs and not necro willpower? Like fam it's a percentage. Not to mention spell damage, if you're going max mag spell damage is eww

What do you think that threshold is? I have heard people make this point before and I don't think I agree. I'm not a sabermetrics guy but it seems like even assuming a generous base mag pool, 4% won't be enough to make it worth running. I'm unwilling to do even the most rudimentary calculation to confirm my suspicion on this.

I don't know man, players much more experienced than me theorycrafted my build. All I know is that they tried willpower and stuck with ancient grace. Heck they even tried trainee with necro as combos. The goal is to get as much magicka as possible for them shields, as one already has enough damage.

Ya okay like...I get the concept I just don't think its correct unless you start with an unrealistic base max mag.

PandaIsAPotato

Magus wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

I did the math the other day; you have to something like 60k magicka before Grace is better than Willpower if you are looking at damage output when you lose the Willpower spell damage bonus. (Of course shields are something else.)

@Minalan It scales off you base magicka pool? Or base + enchants + armor bonuses? If it does include Inner Light/Bound Aegis, that 60k figure was low.

I don't remember to be honest, all I know is that I did better with four piece spinner (I didn't have shadow dancer, but the bonuses are the same).

I tried the QAM build (four necro/four spinner/willpower) and it didn't work out due to lack of Magicka sustain, stamina sustain and no impen. I tried adding a piece of bloodspawn, then impen on small pieces, etc. What I ended up with still didn't work well.

Every HA block DK built to win a long resource grind can beat it. Encase spammers can beat it, especially when they get behind you and burst in a Destro ult. Ice staff root spammers can always tie it. Heavy armor nightblades can tie or beat it. The build had too many hard counters for my taste. So I went with something closer to Reddington's build.

I think most people won't be successful with this build but that's a credit to QAM's skill and his team synergy with his partner(s). He has used this build and iterations of it for a long time. The trick to fighting magsorcs like this is to put pressure on them and make them go turtle defensive and shield spam and then just look out for their burst and don't let it catch you off guard. If you go after QAM's pocket healer/tank, he will stand off to the side and nuke you one by one. If you target QAM, he will go defensive or streak away enough distance from his support, leaving them to die alone without their DPS.

When I was still playing the game if you focused anyone but me in our small groups you just got leaped for 20k damage, feelsbadman, nobody to take all the fools off Qaevir and make them target a juicy rolly polly stam DK. Maoh take my build and 2vX with qaefag so he doesn't feel so lonely all the time, dew it.

Lord_Hev

Pandaboo is irreplacable

Subversus

Stratforge wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Stratforge wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

@Minalan that is simply not true. Willpower is better to a certain point, once you pass that max mag treshhold ancient becomes better. Why do you think necro ancient grace master's staff is BIS for pet sorcs and not necro willpower? Like fam it's a percentage. Not to mention spell damage, if you're going max mag spell damage is eww

What do you think that threshold is? I have heard people make this point before and I don't think I agree. I'm not a sabermetrics guy but it seems like even assuming a generous base mag pool, 4% won't be enough to make it worth running. I'm unwilling to do even the most rudimentary calculation to confirm my suspicion on this.

I don't know man, players much more experienced than me theorycrafted my build. All I know is that they tried willpower and stuck with ancient grace. Heck they even tried trainee with necro as combos. The goal is to get as much magicka as possible for them shields, as one already has enough damage.

Ya okay like...I get the concept I just don't think its correct unless you start with an unrealistic base max mag.

I do get 58k max mag with my build 2 max mag monster sets and blue food with ancient grace, I haven't tried willpower (as I literally just copied someone else's build hahaha) but I bet the mag would be lower.

EDIT: by my calculations, 4% max magicka exceeds 1k after 25k mag pool. That means that after 25k max mag you are better off using ancient grace than any 3 piece set that gives 2 max mag bonuses.

That means at 58k max mag 4% ancient grace bonus is equal to 2320 magicka. Now if you would rather have willpower instead of 3287 extra magicka (both set bonuses together, that is) then sure, it's better. But if the goal is to get as much magicka as possible then ancient will always be better.

There now I can feel better knowing that I theory crafted a little bit on the build I'm using as well

Lord_Hev

Subversus wrote: »

Stratforge wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Stratforge wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

@Minalan that is simply not true. Willpower is better to a certain point, once you pass that max mag treshhold ancient becomes better. Why do you think necro ancient grace master's staff is BIS for pet sorcs and not necro willpower? Like fam it's a percentage. Not to mention spell damage, if you're going max mag spell damage is eww

What do you think that threshold is? I have heard people make this point before and I don't think I agree. I'm not a sabermetrics guy but it seems like even assuming a generous base mag pool, 4% won't be enough to make it worth running. I'm unwilling to do even the most rudimentary calculation to confirm my suspicion on this.

I don't know man, players much more experienced than me theorycrafted my build. All I know is that they tried willpower and stuck with ancient grace. Heck they even tried trainee with necro as combos. The goal is to get as much magicka as possible for them shields, as one already has enough damage.

Ya okay like...I get the concept I just don't think its correct unless you start with an unrealistic base max mag.

I do get 58k max mag with my build 2 max mag monster sets and blue food with ancient grace, I haven't tried willpower (as I literally just copied someone else's build hahaha) but I bet the mag would be lower.

EDIT: by my calculations, 4% max magicka exceeds 1k after 25k mag pool. That means that after 25k max mag you are better off using ancient grace than any 3 piece set that gives 2 max mag bonuses.

That means at 58k max mag 4% ancient grace bonus is equal to 2320 magicka. Now if you would rather have willpower instead of 3287 extra magicka (both set bonuses together, that is) then sure, it's better. But if the goal is to get as much magicka as possible then ancient will always be better.

There now I can feel better knowing that I theory crafted a little bit on the build I'm using as well

From my testing, 3 gold Shadow Dancer Jewelry offered a slimmer more magic then 3 purple Ancient Grace jewelry. The 3pc seems to only draw from your base magic pool before other % stacking.

Gilvoth

there is no such thing as a weak or low damage sorcerer.
sorcerer class in eso is simply overpowered. plain and simple.

Subversus

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Stratforge wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Stratforge wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

@Minalan that is simply not true. Willpower is better to a certain point, once you pass that max mag treshhold ancient becomes better. Why do you think necro ancient grace master's staff is BIS for pet sorcs and not necro willpower? Like fam it's a percentage. Not to mention spell damage, if you're going max mag spell damage is eww

What do you think that threshold is? I have heard people make this point before and I don't think I agree. I'm not a sabermetrics guy but it seems like even assuming a generous base mag pool, 4% won't be enough to make it worth running. I'm unwilling to do even the most rudimentary calculation to confirm my suspicion on this.

I don't know man, players much more experienced than me theorycrafted my build. All I know is that they tried willpower and stuck with ancient grace. Heck they even tried trainee with necro as combos. The goal is to get as much magicka as possible for them shields, as one already has enough damage.

Ya okay like...I get the concept I just don't think its correct unless you start with an unrealistic base max mag.

I do get 58k max mag with my build 2 max mag monster sets and blue food with ancient grace, I haven't tried willpower (as I literally just copied someone else's build hahaha) but I bet the mag would be lower.

EDIT: by my calculations, 4% max magicka exceeds 1k after 25k mag pool. That means that after 25k max mag you are better off using ancient grace than any 3 piece set that gives 2 max mag bonuses.

That means at 58k max mag 4% ancient grace bonus is equal to 2320 magicka. Now if you would rather have willpower instead of 3287 extra magicka (both set bonuses together, that is) then sure, it's better. But if the goal is to get as much magicka as possible then ancient will always be better.

There now I can feel better knowing that I theory crafted a little bit on the build I'm using as well

From my testing, 3 gold Shadow Dancer Jewelry offered a slimmer more magic then 3 purple Ancient Grace jewelry. The 3pc seems to only draw from your base magic pool before other % stacking.

Hmmm I see... That's really *** annoying if that's the case, on paper the set should complement higher magicka pools I should actually replace the ancient grace jewelry with shadow dancer, see if I can break 60k without emp

Lord_Hev

Subversus wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Stratforge wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Stratforge wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

@Minalan that is simply not true. Willpower is better to a certain point, once you pass that max mag treshhold ancient becomes better. Why do you think necro ancient grace master's staff is BIS for pet sorcs and not necro willpower? Like fam it's a percentage. Not to mention spell damage, if you're going max mag spell damage is eww

What do you think that threshold is? I have heard people make this point before and I don't think I agree. I'm not a sabermetrics guy but it seems like even assuming a generous base mag pool, 4% won't be enough to make it worth running. I'm unwilling to do even the most rudimentary calculation to confirm my suspicion on this.

I don't know man, players much more experienced than me theorycrafted my build. All I know is that they tried willpower and stuck with ancient grace. Heck they even tried trainee with necro as combos. The goal is to get as much magicka as possible for them shields, as one already has enough damage.

Ya okay like...I get the concept I just don't think its correct unless you start with an unrealistic base max mag.

I do get 58k max mag with my build 2 max mag monster sets and blue food with ancient grace, I haven't tried willpower (as I literally just copied someone else's build hahaha) but I bet the mag would be lower.

EDIT: by my calculations, 4% max magicka exceeds 1k after 25k mag pool. That means that after 25k max mag you are better off using ancient grace than any 3 piece set that gives 2 max mag bonuses.

That means at 58k max mag 4% ancient grace bonus is equal to 2320 magicka. Now if you would rather have willpower instead of 3287 extra magicka (both set bonuses together, that is) then sure, it's better. But if the goal is to get as much magicka as possible then ancient will always be better.

There now I can feel better knowing that I theory crafted a little bit on the build I'm using as well

From my testing, 3 gold Shadow Dancer Jewelry offered a slimmer more magic then 3 purple Ancient Grace jewelry. The 3pc seems to only draw from your base magic pool before other % stacking.

Hmmm I see... That's really *** annoying if that's the case, on paper the set should complement higher magicka pools I should actually replace the ancient grace jewelry with shadow dancer, see if I can break 60k without emp

NB can do it. 8% magic from siphon class passive + 5pc Necropotence from using the Shade. With this build you will hit around 60 - 63k magic.

Subversus

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Stratforge wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

Stratforge wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

@Minalan that is simply not true. Willpower is better to a certain point, once you pass that max mag treshhold ancient becomes better. Why do you think necro ancient grace master's staff is BIS for pet sorcs and not necro willpower? Like fam it's a percentage. Not to mention spell damage, if you're going max mag spell damage is eww

What do you think that threshold is? I have heard people make this point before and I don't think I agree. I'm not a sabermetrics guy but it seems like even assuming a generous base mag pool, 4% won't be enough to make it worth running. I'm unwilling to do even the most rudimentary calculation to confirm my suspicion on this.

I don't know man, players much more experienced than me theorycrafted my build. All I know is that they tried willpower and stuck with ancient grace. Heck they even tried trainee with necro as combos. The goal is to get as much magicka as possible for them shields, as one already has enough damage.

Ya okay like...I get the concept I just don't think its correct unless you start with an unrealistic base max mag.

I do get 58k max mag with my build 2 max mag monster sets and blue food with ancient grace, I haven't tried willpower (as I literally just copied someone else's build hahaha) but I bet the mag would be lower.

EDIT: by my calculations, 4% max magicka exceeds 1k after 25k mag pool. That means that after 25k max mag you are better off using ancient grace than any 3 piece set that gives 2 max mag bonuses.

That means at 58k max mag 4% ancient grace bonus is equal to 2320 magicka. Now if you would rather have willpower instead of 3287 extra magicka (both set bonuses together, that is) then sure, it's better. But if the goal is to get as much magicka as possible then ancient will always be better.

There now I can feel better knowing that I theory crafted a little bit on the build I'm using as well

From my testing, 3 gold Shadow Dancer Jewelry offered a slimmer more magic then 3 purple Ancient Grace jewelry. The 3pc seems to only draw from your base magic pool before other % stacking.

Hmmm I see... That's really *** annoying if that's the case, on paper the set should complement higher magicka pools I should actually replace the ancient grace jewelry with shadow dancer, see if I can break 60k without emp

NB can do it. 8% magic from siphon class passive + 5pc Necropotence from using the Shade. With this build you will hit around 60 - 63k magic.

Yeah I usually run a monster set, but with 2 mag sets and gold jews I think I'd reach 60k with master's staff. If only I had a fire one smh... mag sorc emps on EU have 60k mag lmfao

Xsorus

I'm going to steal this setup, and drop it on my Magicka Melee NB and see how well it works.

Lord_Hev

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Xsorus wrote: »

I'm going to steal this setup, and drop it on my Magicka Melee NB and see how well it works.

I have a magblade buddy that does something very similar to this build. He can hit upwards of 25k Merciless Resolves.

Xsorus

Lord_Hev wrote: »

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Xsorus wrote: »

I'm going to steal this setup, and drop it on my Magicka Melee NB and see how well it works.

I have a magblade buddy that does something very similar to this build. He can hit upwards of 25k Merciless Resolves.

I was doing something similar but using clever alehcmist instead and doing spell power with spinners. I think this will produce similar damage but not needing to rely on clever alchemist procs

Lexxypwns

Lord_Hev wrote: »

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Xsorus wrote: »

I'm going to steal this setup, and drop it on my Magicka Melee NB and see how well it works.

I have a magblade buddy that does something very similar to this build. He can hit upwards of 25k Merciless Resolves.

I hit a 32k will proc earlier this week with kena up.

For mageblade, I wouldn't run all this magika, I'd just run 5 necro 5 alch 2 pirate/skoria/kena if you want a similar high damage build. 100 ele expert 99 elfborn shadow stone.

Sustain on a mageblade is easy mode compared to sorc and you have better mobility and positioning so you may as well stack as much damage as you can

PandaIsAPotato

Lord_Hev wrote: »

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Xsorus wrote: »

I'm going to steal this setup, and drop it on my Magicka Melee NB and see how well it works.

I have a magblade buddy that does something very similar to this build. He can hit upwards of 25k Merciless Resolves.

Does @Scamandros Scamalamadingdong still play? He had a crazy proxy bomb soul tether build for the longest time and probably the only Mag NB I was even remotely disturbed by, but he was also AD and bae.

PandaIsAPotato

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

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Xsorus wrote: »

I'm going to steal this setup, and drop it on my Magicka Melee NB and see how well it works.

I have a magblade buddy that does something very similar to this build. He can hit upwards of 25k Merciless Resolves.

I hit a 32k will proc earlier this week with kena up.

For mageblade, I wouldn't run all this magika, I'd just run 5 necro 5 alch 2 pirate/skoria/kena if you want a similar high damage build. 100 ele expert 99 elfborn shadow stone.

Sustain on a mageblade is easy mode compared to sorc and you have better mobility and positioning so you may as well stack as much damage as you can

This, so much this. Magblade is the single easiest setup to sustain with no sustain at all, I had a yolo build way way back in 1.6 that would easily one shot entire groups back when proxy-tether was broken and I think I ran something like 700 mag regen. It's just not needed.

Izaki

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

there is no such thing as a weak or low damage sorcerer.
sorcerer class in eso is simply overpowered. plain and simple.

Hahaha really, in every single sorc thread you're here xDDDD don't you think it really is time to l2p???

NightbladeMechanics

PandaIsAPotato wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

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Xsorus wrote: »

I'm going to steal this setup, and drop it on my Magicka Melee NB and see how well it works.

I have a magblade buddy that does something very similar to this build. He can hit upwards of 25k Merciless Resolves.

I hit a 32k will proc earlier this week with kena up.

For mageblade, I wouldn't run all this magika, I'd just run 5 necro 5 alch 2 pirate/skoria/kena if you want a similar high damage build. 100 ele expert 99 elfborn shadow stone.

Sustain on a mageblade is easy mode compared to sorc and you have better mobility and positioning so you may as well stack as much damage as you can

This, so much this. Magblade is the single easiest setup to sustain with no sustain at all, I had a yolo build way way back in 1.6 that would easily one shot entire groups back when proxy-tether was broken and I think I ran something like 700 mag regen. It's just not needed.

If you're bombing, sure, but that goes for any ganking or bombing build. If you're actually pvping, no.

Subversus

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

PandaIsAPotato wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

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Xsorus wrote: »

I'm going to steal this setup, and drop it on my Magicka Melee NB and see how well it works.

I have a magblade buddy that does something very similar to this build. He can hit upwards of 25k Merciless Resolves.

I hit a 32k will proc earlier this week with kena up.

For mageblade, I wouldn't run all this magika, I'd just run 5 necro 5 alch 2 pirate/skoria/kena if you want a similar high damage build. 100 ele expert 99 elfborn shadow stone.

Sustain on a mageblade is easy mode compared to sorc and you have better mobility and positioning so you may as well stack as much damage as you can

This, so much this. Magblade is the single easiest setup to sustain with no sustain at all, I had a yolo build way way back in 1.6 that would easily one shot entire groups back when proxy-tether was broken and I think I ran something like 700 mag regen. It's just not needed.

If you're bombing, sure, but that goes for any ganking or bombing build. If you're actually pvping, no.

Precisely. I found that I need at least like 1.3-1.4k regen in light armor to make sustain work, though I usually run a very high mag pool so it's not so bad..

PandaIsAPotato

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

PandaIsAPotato wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Lord_Hev wrote: »

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Xsorus wrote: »

I'm going to steal this setup, and drop it on my Magicka Melee NB and see how well it works.

I have a magblade buddy that does something very similar to this build. He can hit upwards of 25k Merciless Resolves.

I hit a 32k will proc earlier this week with kena up.

For mageblade, I wouldn't run all this magika, I'd just run 5 necro 5 alch 2 pirate/skoria/kena if you want a similar high damage build. 100 ele expert 99 elfborn shadow stone.

Sustain on a mageblade is easy mode compared to sorc and you have better mobility and positioning so you may as well stack as much damage as you can

This, so much this. Magblade is the single easiest setup to sustain with no sustain at all, I had a yolo build way way back in 1.6 that would easily one shot entire groups back when proxy-tether was broken and I think I ran something like 700 mag regen. It's just not needed.

If you're bombing, sure, but that goes for any ganking or bombing build. If you're actually pvping, no.

This was way back when, sustain was an after thought for most builds. It wouldn't work now but it worked fine back then, siphoning strikes was also broken so you could just throw caltrops on 40 ppl and go ham with no sustain issues.

arkansas_ESO

Xsorus wrote: »

I'm going to steal this setup, and drop it on my Magicka Melee NB and see how well it works.

I've run a very similar thing on mNB-2pc Kag's, 5pc Necro, 1pc Infernal, 1pc Grothdarr, 3pc Willpower. Stats with Shadow are around 58k magic, 2.4k spell dmg, 800 regen. You'll hit -very- hard especially if you use Cloak to guarantee crits on your Merciless, but you won't have the regen to last for long, especially if you're going melee with Concealed and Lotus Fan.

Subversus

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

I'm going to steal this setup, and drop it on my Magicka Melee NB and see how well it works.

I've run a very similar thing on mNB-2pc Kag's, 5pc Necro, 1pc Infernal, 1pc Grothdarr, 3pc Willpower. Stats with Shadow are around 58k magic, 2.4k spell dmg, 800 regen. You'll hit -very- hard especially if you use Cloak to guarantee crits on your Merciless, but you won't have the regen to last for long, especially if you're going melee with Concealed and Lotus Fan.

Witchmother's brew, destro/resto and 2 recovery glyphs should do just fine with that setup on a magblade imo, that would get you to up to like 1.6k I think...

Xsorus

Well right now I do a 5 alchemist/5spinner/3 will power setup on my night blade. It hits extremely hard for ganking. I think I can achieve similar damage with this setup without the need to pop a pot.