writs hidden behind pvp wall

Bladewizard

I love this game get that right out front, but I do not pvp, it is not my thing, absolutely hate pvp. I understand others enjoy it and more power to them I do not. so of course since the housing came out naturally the only decent voucher count writs I have gotten are all in imperial city. I resent the game makers trying to force me to pvp. I do not believe any master writs should require me to go pvp in order to complete them. It is hard enough to get master writs and then to have to either destroy them or sell them or let them rot in my bank is just not right.

kwisatz

Sell them and buy others.

Turelus

You can always find someone on your server who has the benches cloned and in their homes as an alternative.

Otherwise yeah, the dice with death for a write can be annoying. This is why I am glad my crafter is a Nightblade.

dpencil

No one is telling you to PvP...

Port to the nearest keep to IC.
Ride to IC.
Go up the ladder to the appropriate district. Ride to the craft room door.
Craft item.
--- (At this point if someone kills you, you have a quick ticket back to the IC base.) ---
Ride to the district that has the closest sewer entrance to your base.
Run through the sewer to your base.
Go through the IC base door to go back to Cyrodiil base.
Wayshrine out.

The only frustration would be if you get killed in the 30 seconds from entering the district to getting to the craft room door, which isn't very likely.

Bladewizard

"isn't very likely"? I provided several people with several very easy kills this morning trying to get to a station. after the tenth or eleventh time I lose track I let someone kill me so I could get to my gate and leave, destroyed the 86 voucher writ in frustration and went on this rant, and that was my first ever attempt. hiding anything other then pvp rewards behind a pvp wall is not right. just my two cents.

sadownik

@dpencil why so much fuzz with returning? Just join other campaign and you will be ported to cyrodil entrance.

SirAndy

kwisatz wrote: »

Sell them and buy others.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Bladewizard wrote: »

"isn't very likely"? I provided several people with several very easy kills this morning trying to get to a station. after the tenth or eleventh time I lose track I let someone kill me so I could get to my gate and leave, destroyed the 86 voucher writ in frustration and went on this rant, and that was my first ever attempt. hiding anything other then pvp rewards behind a pvp wall is not right. just my two cents.

I understand.
There's nothing more infuriating than people telling you "it's very unlikely" (which depends on many things, starting with time of the day and ending wit pure luck or unluck) or that it is "easy".
Just sell the writs that you don't like doing or can't do. Destroying a 86-voucher-writ is... a waste. Just sell it and buy other writs.

code65536

There's PvP in the IC? You mean it's not a deserted ghost town?

You could also try IC on another campaign if the IC in the campaign that you visited is a bit too lively. Or pop an invisibility potion as you make your way to the crafting station. Or find someone with the stations attuned in their home (I'm the member of a trade guild where they attuned all of the IC stations and put it in their guild hall). Or sell the writ.

Jaeysa

If you don't have a guildy that has these cloned, do a quick ask in zone chat - I know a couple people who'd probably invite you to the group for a few minutes to let you use their stations.

dpencil

sadownik wrote: »

@dpencil why so much fuzz with returning? Just join other campaign and you will be ported to cyrodil entrance.

@sadownik Ha! Didn't think of that. Good point.

STEVIL

Bladewizard wrote: »

"isn't very likely"? I provided several people with several very easy kills this morning trying to get to a station. after the tenth or eleventh time I lose track I let someone kill me so I could get to my gate and leave, destroyed the 86 voucher writ in frustration and went on this rant, and that was my first ever attempt. hiding anything other then pvp rewards behind a pvp wall is not right. just my two cents.

guess what, there is a secret... a solution to your frustration.

dont tell anyone else but...

just between you and me...

whenever i get a writ that i am not willing to do or cannot do...

i dont wreck things and rant about it...

i sell them and use the gold to buy stuff i like.

As for PVP writs, they got me to go into IC for the first time ever. Well, sort of. i had planned to get out there to make an armor master attuned station that i could put in my home for myself and others to use. So as i got other writs including two Am and later two nobles, i hang on until i could run out there make my way in and do it.

Got killed a couple times... so what.

got what i wanted. saw the place, then left.

big deal.

now, i have several AM sets in place and my guildies have it open for them too.

but the real key is - if there is something you have and dont want to use, there is almost always someone who does want it and who will pay gold for it.

and well rants dont do any good - or at least not as much good as changing tactics.

i mean, you can rant about how tough a given world boss is or you can figure out new ways to beat it, right? Which one do you think will pay better results more often?

Bladewizard

Who is talking about a world boss? I said I DO NOT PVP. Not can not, do not. I have no prob with pvp having all its own sets of gear or all its own titles or rewards or what ever you want. I just think it is wrong for pve rewards to be stuck in pvp areas, as far as world bosses and pve content go I believe I said I love this game.

disintegr8

I have never been killed travelling through Cyrodiil to get to IC but still don't like going there. I am only 200 vouchers away from being able to buy all 3 attunable crafting stations and as soon as I do that I make my final trip into IC to tune them all into Armour Master.

Rather than complaining about PVP areas, I think a better argument would be that these rewards should not require you to have DLC. I know it is sales push by ZOS but I don't think you should be getting writs requiring DLC that you do not have access to.

I'll just sit back now and wait for the usual responders to come and pick on my comments ........... you know who you are.

Trinity_Is_My_Name

Bladewizard wrote: »

I love this game get that right out front, but I do not pvp, it is not my thing, absolutely hate pvp. I understand others enjoy it and more power to them I do not. so of course since the housing came out naturally the only decent voucher count writs I have gotten are all in imperial city. I resent the game makers trying to force me to pvp. I do not believe any master writs should require me to go pvp in order to complete them. It is hard enough to get master writs and then to have to either destroy them or sell them or let them rot in my bank is just not right.

Get someone to escort you to the Crafting stations. Yeah, I understand your desire to not PVP.

Bladewizard

I tend to agree with you, I do not appreciate the drive to make this more of a cash cow then it already is. I know I can not stop that though money is king. I refuse to pay monthly though so I can be someone elses entertainment. I pay to be entertained by my game, not to entertain others. since I do not do pvp, it is too much like paying monthly to be someones stooge. I get enough of that in life. I would love to see a flag system so those that want pvp can have it those that do not want pvp will not have to. zenimax gave everyone the ability to duel so pvp could be done in the pve maps, I would love the same consideration.

JKorr

Bladewizard wrote: »

I tend to agree with you, I do not appreciate the drive to make this more of a cash cow then it already is. I know I can not stop that though money is king. I refuse to pay monthly though so I can be someone elses entertainment. I pay to be entertained by my game, not to entertain others. since I do not do pvp, it is too much like paying monthly to be someones stooge. I get enough of that in life. I would love to see a flag system so those that want pvp can have it those that do not want pvp will not have to. zenimax gave everyone the ability to duel so pvp could be done in the pve maps, I would love the same consideration.

No, I can see why they don't want to do that. There are people who would use the flag to spy for the pvp side of things.

I would be totally for a separate pve instance, so spying wouldn't do anyone any good. And a separate pvp open world instance for those people who want to be able to kill anyone anywhere, even their own faction. Imagine how much fun those players would have being able to gank another group while they try to clear Fungal Grotto.... For that matter they could make an auto-teleport for any pair that accepts a duel challenge, move them to Boethiah's Proving Ground and away from the crafting stations and wayshrines.

Banana

Should have just sold it. Would have been a nice pile of gold.

I_killed_Vivec

I think that the problem they have is that they messed up with the trait requirements on gear.

If a writ is going to ask for knowledge of 9 traits, then four of the five are in DLC - content that one way or another you have to buy.

I know you can sell writs if you can't do them yourself, but it's hardly ideal - there's a sense of optimism when you get a writ. Finding out you can't fulfil it is disappointing.

Sharee

dpencil wrote: »

No one is telling you to PvP...

Port to the nearest keep to IC.
Ride to IC.
Go up the ladder to the appropriate district. Ride to the craft room door.
Craft item.
--- (At this point if someone kills you, you have a quick ticket back to the IC base.) ---
Ride to the district that has the closest sewer entrance to your base.
Run through the sewer to your base.
Go through the IC base door to go back to Cyrodiil base.
Wayshrine out.

The only frustration would be if you get killed in the 30 seconds from entering the district to getting to the craft room door, which isn't very likely.

There is a shortcut. After crafting the item, queue for another cyrodiil campaign, right inside the crafting room. You will then be put at cyrodiil entrance in the second campaign, right next to the wayshrine.

Bombashaman

kwisatz wrote: »

Sell them and buy others.

This. I also hate PvP but the market overflows with writs, just sell it and buy another one.

anitajoneb17_ESO

disintegr8 wrote: »

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Rather than complaining about PVP areas, I think a better argument would be that these rewards should not require you to have DLC. I know it is sales push by ZOS but I don't think you should be getting writs requiring DLC that you do not have access to.
I'll just sit back now and wait for the usual responders to come and pick on my comments ........... you know who you are.

I'm not sure to belong to the "usual responders" since I don't know who they are.
I would agree with you if the master writs were not tradable, but since they are tradable, it's not unfair imho. Just sell the ones you cannot craft and buy some that you can craft.

Same applies to IC writs. Sell those. I understand some people's refusal to PvP, but being in IC/Cyrodiil doesn't necessarily mean that you have to PvP. Just play it stealthy and you'll be fine. Reaching an IC crafting station really isn't hard and you can avoid PvP on the way.

Scorpion1959

dpencil wrote: »

No one is telling you to PvP...

Port to the nearest keep to IC.
Ride to IC.
Go up the ladder to the appropriate district. Ride to the craft room door.
Craft item.
--- (At this point if someone kills you, you have a quick ticket back to the IC base.) ---
Ride to the district that has the closest sewer entrance to your base.
Run through the sewer to your base.
Go through the IC base door to go back to Cyrodiil base.
Wayshrine out.

The only frustration would be if you get killed in the 30 seconds from entering the district to getting to the craft room door, which isn't very likely.

Hey! That's what I did! It was great fun; sneaking about, killing a few npc's, even had a blue (I'm AD) help me! Really enjoyed it.... right up until the moment I realised I did not have Barbarian Chests.........

Jadednatas

Uhhh you can have two campaigns so if ya don't like pvp why not keep a dead one that your alliance usually holds most of for easy travel?

I get redistributor master writs most often an in a dead campaign it's literally load into cyrodiil, port to tower closest to doors, ride horse to sewer door.. go up a ladder an kill maybe 10 normal pve style enemies.. make writ, then either let mobs kill me to get back or load into another campaign an wayshrine from that entrance.

Before master writs i still had a dead campaign as guest campaign for most of my non pvp guys so they could get cyrodiil skyshards easier.

Makes it not even feel like pvp, which is good cause i go in my pve gear

Unless on pc there are no dead campaigns this works fine. Console definitely has some.

lientier

Scorpion1959 wrote: »

dpencil wrote: »

No one is telling you to PvP...

Port to the nearest keep to IC.
Ride to IC.
Go up the ladder to the appropriate district. Ride to the craft room door.
Craft item.
--- (At this point if someone kills you, you have a quick ticket back to the IC base.) ---
Ride to the district that has the closest sewer entrance to your base.
Run through the sewer to your base.
Go through the IC base door to go back to Cyrodiil base.
Wayshrine out.

The only frustration would be if you get killed in the 30 seconds from entering the district to getting to the craft room door, which isn't very likely.

Hey! That's what I did! It was great fun; sneaking about, killing a few npc's, even had a blue (I'm AD) help me! Really enjoyed it.... right up until the moment I realised I did not have Barbarian Chests.........

wait.. but barbaric doesnt come in pieces? So you dont have the whole book? Next time I find one, I will give it to you, quite worthless recently

STEVIL

Bladewizard wrote: »

Who is talking about a world boss? I said I DO NOT PVP. Not can not, do not. I have no prob with pvp having all its own sets of gear or all its own titles or rewards or what ever you want. I just think it is wrong for pve rewards to be stuck in pvp areas, as far as world bosses and pve content go I believe I said I love this game.

First, the world boss mention was a reference point to illustrate that already in the game there are cases where a change in tactics or approach can yield better results.

Second iirc I specifically referenced can't do OR won't do so not saying or implying you have a PvP lack.

But the master writ system is designed to cover the entire world scope, not just offer a faux challenge of "stuff you like".

As such it might ask for sets in zones you don't normally go to or traits you have not yet unlocked or even stuff in zones you don't own.

All of these enable those who have done those things or who are willing to do them the chance to get more rewards and that is the intent.

I think there are two places where we have a disconnect.

First, crafting to me is not over exclusive. It is a utility function that supports both love and PvP. So having a master writ use a set inside a PvP zone is just giving the PvP players their share of its opportunifies.

Second, to my way of thinking, the writ is the challenge and the voucher payout the reward so when I receive a master writ for armor master or noble conquest I see it as having received a PvP challenge not a PvP challenge locked in a PvP zone.

I can then choose to take on the challenge (did so four times) or to sell it (have done as well with both PvP zone ones and others)

Lexifer452

Its not that bad. Use an empty campaign. Seems a huge waste to destroy it though. Could've sold it for a pretty penny.

Slurg

What server are you on? Maybe someone can invite you to a guild that has cloned IC crafting stations available to members? If you have no room for one try asking in zone chat or put the word out to friends you are looking. It's true some people do lay in wait to gank crafters who come to those stations but there is an option other than selling or destroying the writ.

Katahdin

I just sneak my way to the crafting station. I haven't been found or killed doing that.

Bladewizard

Stevil I get it, and I am glad you have found a way to work with it, thank you all for your suggestions, but I still feel putting pve rewards in a pvp zone is wrong. Eso online in thier info portion of the web site still states in the pvp guide that no player will be required to go to cyrodill to complete thier quests. For 18 months this has been true for me, 12 champions, 732cp... and now for some reason they have gone back on that, I feel that is wrong. Thats all.

STEVIL

Bladewizard wrote: »

Stevil I get it, and I am glad you have found a way to work with it, thank you all for your suggestions, but I still feel putting pve rewards in a pvp zone is wrong. Eso online in thier info portion of the web site still states in the pvp guide that no player will be required to go to cyrodill to complete thier quests. For 18 months this has been true for me, 12 champions, 732cp... and now for some reason they have gone back on that, I feel that is wrong. Thats all.

crafting is not a PVE only function in the game. it is one of several that cross both pvp and pve lines. because crafting is applicable to both, the master writs offer opportunities for both to gain. What you are describing is crafting being supportive of both pve exclusing players and pvp exclusive players and all the range in between.

you are not required to complete every writ you get, not at all. You can sell them for a good bit of change very easily or just destroy them if you find them so terribly offensive.

To be very clear - nobody is forcing you to take on a quest to go into cyrodil for those sets. You certainly have that option, same as with IC, its a choice.

if you are subbed or bought IC then you have had that option for some time now and have apparently lived with it.

not sure why getting another "option" to undertake a quest into cyrodil is so troubling for you.


But they never said they would never off the choice of running pve content into pvp zones for those who want it, did they?

No promises have been broken in this regard.

the master writ is not the reward, the vouchers ate the reward for doing the master writ.

take the quest or not, go into cyrodil opr not, same option you have had all along.