writs hidden behind pvp wall

WhiteMage

Here's the thing... just this week I "had" to go to PvE-land to get the helm I needed. Know what I did? I complained in zone about having to PvE. Know what I did next? I got out there and did it, because my whining about didn't change anything.

After 7 hours, half of which were spent in the group finder (*** that thing) I got it. Yay, problem solved. Too bad the build didn't even work. I'm guessing you didn't spend so long a time trying for your writ, though, so suck it up, buttercup. There are bigger problems in the game than you being so bothered to enter a PvP area.

Obsidian3

Just remember travel to guild member works in IC for a quick exit!

Bladewizard

buttercup.... really? calling me childish names is your response. so glad these forums are dedicated to open and constructive conversations. prob should have expected it though huh me being a buttercup and all.

Taleof2Cities

Turelus wrote: »

You can always find someone on your server who has the benches cloned and in their homes as an alternative.

If you missed this line above be sure to read it again ...

davey1107

The game threw you a challenge in order to earn a reward? J'Accuse!

Come to Rawlkha. I own a restaurant where we serve a free sympathy meal for everyone mistreated this way, and while you eat we serenade you with the world's smallest violin.

Wreuntzylla

Slurg wrote: »

What server are you on? Maybe someone can invite you to a guild that has cloned IC crafting stations available to members? If you have no room for one try asking in zone chat or put the word out to friends you are looking. It's true some people do lay in wait to gank crafters who come to those stations but there is an option other than selling or destroying the writ.

Don't let this slip past you...

In general, PvPers and PvErs have a symbiotic relationship. In every alliance in every game I have ever been in, our guild pays its way by facilitating PvP goals, and PvE guilds pay their way by facilitating PvE goals. In this game, with the 5 guilds thing, it seems its a melting pot and every guild has a PvP night, even if its predominantly a PvE guild. We have no problem touring IC once in a while so folks can get their skyshards, writ completions and achievement related items completed. We actually spend a good amount of time farming stones there as it is tolerable PvE to a PvPer and the flower bags... mmmm the flower bags....

If you are the solo type, just have to time your runs to the craft station based on the map. But the social solution is a much better way to go about it.

Bladewizard

A challenge... lol your troll is invalid sir. Please read original post or if not possible maybe you get someone to read it to you and explain it ya? Then troll me for that... every troll should know that. As for everyone else thank you they are all great suggestions.

Lonewolf628

I agree with Bladewizard. You should not have to enter a campaign to complete Master Writs. If your faction doesn't control the right forts, and you can't port to an adjacent fort next to IC, it takes forever to ride there on your mount. And hopefully you won't get ambushed on your way. Maybe this was Zos's plan with the Master Writs all along, I don't know. Keep the Master Writs in PVE zones, because it's the PVE players that are doing the Writs for the most part, right?

Sordidfairytale

Lonewolf628 wrote: »

... Keep the Master Writs in PVE zones, because it's the PVE players that are doing the Writs for the most part, right?

That's an assumption. And not one I would readily agree with.

The only way I can think that you are not able to do the writs that take place in PVP (3 only by the way) is if you have sworn off guilds. 2 of my guilds have all of the IC crafting stations (had them the first week master writs were introduced) and 3 of my guilds have crafting stations at the "guild hall". Your problem is of your own making. You choose to have this issue.

STEVIL

Lonewolf628 wrote: »

I agree with Bladewizard. You should not have to enter a campaign to complete Master Writs. If your faction doesn't control the right forts, and you can't port to an adjacent fort next to IC, it takes forever to ride there on your mount. And hopefully you won't get ambushed on your way. Maybe this was Zos's plan with the Master Writs all along, I don't know. Keep the Master Writs in PVE zones, because it's the PVE players that are doing the Writs for the most part, right?

well the only reason i would say yes to this guesstimate is that imo and imx more players play pve than pvp. i have no idea what the differences in crafters are though.

like i said crafting serves both pve and pvp.

As long as some pvpers do crafting at top end i do not think its fair to shut them out of end game crafting making their stations as important as any other station is.

bubbygink

As a PvPer, I for the most part hate PvE. Yet I have to do tons of PvE to be able to compete in PvP: get mage's guild lorebooks, do dungeons for undaunted, acquire skyshards and do quests for skill points, etc. My point is, that in a game which has both PvE and PvP there is going to be some intertwining of the two. Sometimes a PvEer may have to step into Cyrodiil for a few minutes (to craft something, pick up skyshards, finish quests, etc.). In this case, you don't really even have to participate in PvP. You could have sold the writ or tried your best to just sneak to the crafting station. My point is that you and other PvEers should consider yourselves lucky that you barely have to do even an ounce of PvP to accomplish all of your PvE objectives. Because us players who only want to PvP have to do a ton of PvE, which we don't want to do, to stay competitive in PvP. It is just the nature of the beast.

WhiteMage

Bladewizard wrote: »

buttercup.... really? calling me childish names is your response. so glad these forums are dedicated to open and constructive conversations. prob should have expected it though huh me being a buttercup and all.

If you only complain about the things that inconvenience you, insisting that your side of a problem is more egregious than frankly more severe examples from the converse side of that issue, then... well... that kinda makes you look childish imo. It's a "your peas are in my gravy" sort of thing. So minus the buttercup, your complaints are pretty narrow verging on petty in my eyes. PvP and PvE should be mutually exclusive or interconnected.

Also, your righteous indignation practically invites reciprocation.

Bladewizard

I do not think saying, if I only complaign about the things that inconvenience me, is fair. I have never complaigned once in 18 mos. Should I have been jumping in and complaigning with others about what ever it was that was inconveniencing them? And yes you are correct it is a wall of my own making and I accept it all the way, and the limits that come with it. I knew those limits were there when I started playing. It is why I did the research before buying the xbox one just for ESO. It is why I know the esoinfo pvp guide says what it does. It is why I know the concern about pvp and pve separation in a single world server was brought up with bethesda just after press release and the assurances that they would be kept sepperate were why I came here.I understand things change, the game evolves bassed on comunity wants and needs, and it should. Does not change my opinion of what has been done. Or the fact that I would like a way to continue to play within my limitations. I am not asking for a buff or for anyone else to be nerfed in any way. I do not want to take away from pvp crafters in the slightest. If you want to put the most bad ass pvp crafted gear sets in the game locked behind a pvp wall do so please I do not pvp so I do not want to make them, I do not auction things so I am not looking to make them and sell them to your competition.

STEVIL

Bladewizard wrote: »

Or the fact that I would like a way to continue to play within my limitations.

Focusing on this part of your cite...

you can continue to play within the game's limitations.

you can even continue to play within a "i wont pvp" limitation in this case - by selling the writ.

But after you choose not only to throw out the pvp option you have but also to throw out selling or destroying as "not right" then you are intentionally boxing yourself into a corner and then shackling yourself to the radiator and wearing an eyeless hood to concoct a "why not give me freedom" gripe.

When ZOS said PVP and PVE were separate, they did not mean there was no overlap between them but rather that it was optional for players which the did. it was the player's choice whether or not they went into pvp - it was not a case where others could force them into it.

What you seem to be against if ZOS giving you the OPTION of going into pvp zones and even incentivizing you to do so.

A company is going to encourage its customers to take part in as much of their product as possible - that is reality. ZOS is no different and there is nothing wrong about it.

When you gain a writ you have two ways to gain rewards from it and many people choose one or the other every single day.

1 - You can sell it for gold thru chat or guild stores. That is pretty easy and turns a tidy profit. i have done it quite a bit when i saw the second option wasn't worth it - not gonna pay 30k for a recipe for 2 vouchers. sell the writ and use the loot to buy an alchemy 2 voucher one for almost the same price.

2 - you can go do what is required to gain the vouchers.

There is no promise that option 2 will be "worth it" in your opinion for every voucher you ever see. Never was, never will be. You are not entitled to always get writs that you like. Whether you or I or @WhiteMage decides "i do not want to do this writ" because "its in pvp zone" or "recipe too costly for the vouchers gained" or "its a trial motif an i do not like running trials" or because we just dont feel like it on a given Tuesday is all the same - its a judgement we make and then take actions based on it - most likely we sell the dang thing and move on, maybe buying one we find more pleasing.

Cutting pvp sets out of the writ system would be taking that away from those who play pvp and go thru those zones routinely. Crafting is not a pve-only function in this game - it has both pve and pvp components. So making master crtafting exclusive to pve only is not something that is fair, not something that is consistent with the game so far and is just not something that one should reasonably expect.

You should expect choice in which content you elect to do - not to be entitled to have content you dont like eradicated from all the things you do like.

There is a fine line between freedom of choice and intolerance and that line typically is found at the point where you want a system currently available to or inclusive to everyone to be changed to cut stuff out that others enjoy but you don't.

Complaining that pvp set writs drop in master writ system crosses that line, IMO.

RABIDxWOLVERINE

This is ridiculous. Quit your crying go into stealth. I don't PVP either but its not that hard to get to these stations. I had one in IC, the redistributor set. Sure you gotta watch out for others but seriously go into sneak and they wont see you, but I guess a better idea is crying until you get your way.

STEVIL

RABIDxWOLVERINE wrote: »

This is ridiculous. Quit your crying go into stealth. I don't PVP either but its not that hard to get to these stations. I had one in IC, the redistributor set. Sure you gotta watch out for others but seriously go into sneak and they wont see you, but I guess a better idea is crying until you get your way.

Hey, if someone is so against pvp they dont want to go when they are offered an opportunity, i got no problem with that. But when they object to even choosing to sell them for gold... that goes off Rational Highway.

Bladewizard

I never said that. I never said I wanted to take anything away from anyone, and if there is no way for any compromise so that I can do the writs in pvp zones thats fine. I think the community has been pretty clear that there is not. But I never said take the writs away from pvp crafters. If I was unclear about that in any way my bad I apologize. If my aversion to pvp offends trust me it is not meant to, it is not a judgement of others or of that style of play in any way. I have seen myself in the mirror when I pvp. Dont like that me. Before I get hate for that statement too, please I am not inferring that everyone else goes to a dark place when they pvp, just that I do. I have spent alot of time in this bed and probably have a few more years yet, since most of that time will be by myself I would like to be okay with the person I am. That is my load to bear not yours. If I offended anyone my apologies again not sure if I covered that things get confusing sometimes, never ment to, And if a moderator could close this thread that would be super, it is gettin out of hand. The community made their opinion clear. Next thing I know I am gonna have somehow suggested we all need big pink flying elephant mounts. To all my brothers and sisters if I said something wrong, I am sorry. I will go back to being a ghost in this fine game.
Bladewizard out.

driosketch

You could become proficient in sneaking through PvP land.

You could sell that writ, buy better writs.

You can get help to escort you to the station.

You can ask if anyone has one of the attunable versions of that station and is willing to let you use it.

Point is you have options. Don't let choosing the hardest path be a source of frustration.

Smitch_59

Like the OP, I don't PvP and I almost never go to Cyrodiil. Then I got a master writ for one of the IC sets. Talked my wife into going there with me. The campaign was Azura so it was very empty. While in the sewers we were jumped by a couple of enemy players. Much to my surprise we managed to kill them. Those remain my only two PvP kills.

Since then one of my guilds got attuned crafting stations in their guild hall so thankfully I no longer have to go to the IC for master writs.