Jewels of Misrule?

Betsararie

Already got royal jester on one toon and only need dubious camoran to get it on a 2nd.

Wouldn't pay a single gold for anything dropped from these boxes. Have gotten everything multiple times besides the camoron which I've only gotten once.

One thing I want to add is I do like the Rng factor from the event, games need some level of challenge or else they're just boring and unfulfilling. Achievements should take some amount of effort to get.

The only down side to the event is there aren't more super rare item from the jester boxes, more mementos etc, a mistake on the part of ZOS.

TheRealPotoroo

SantieClaws wrote: »

Khajiit she has found three and sold two.

It is the other one - Dubious Camoran Tomes or something - that this one she still seeks.

This one wonders what it is possible to do with 15 of the ugly purple banners though apart from perhaps starting a big purple bonfire yes?

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Honestly, ZoS are trying to help you get 40 banners so you can have one in each of your homes and this is the thanks they get!

Mystrius_Archaion

Blanco wrote: »

One thing I want to add is I do like the Rng factor from the event, games need some level of challenge or else they're just boring and unfulfilling.

RNG is never "challenge". They're 2 different ideas that often oppose each other.

Ever play a game where you had to roll for loot from a boss? The best player that saved the entire raid(often the tank or healer) would have no better chance at getting the wanted item than anybody else and often would lose out because the drop rate would be stupid low.
I used to play WoW and did a calculation arguing for individual player loot and increased drop rates for the phoeniz mount they had there. If drop rates were perfect with that 2% rate on a weekly reset for the boss that dropped it then one player could be guaranteed to get it only after 50 weeks running it. Now, this was 25 player content. That means 50 weeks multiplied by 25 for everyone who was only playing content for that mount to get the mount.
That game hasn't even been out long enough for everyone to get it in a perfect world. The world is imperfect though as all drop chances are server side across the entire population with no weighting system to eventually relent and give players what they are after with enough effort.

RNG is there to keep stuff away from you no matter how hard you try because of the simple fact that nothing can ever be made challenging enough to limit it while still being desirable to consumers.
People hate working harder than they should have to but are addicted to gambling for a chance at "easy stuff".

So, definitely don't compare RNG to challenge.

MasterSpatula

25 runs so far, and I've had 2 of each purple recipe so far.

So I would say the drop rate's bad but not terrible. The real problem is the fact that time investment (for me at least) is longer than New Life Festival for 1/3 as many chances to beat the RNG.

Betsararie

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

One thing I want to add is I do like the Rng factor from the event, games need some level of challenge or else they're just boring and unfulfilling.

RNG is never "challenge". They're 2 different ideas that often oppose each other.

Ever play a game where you had to roll for loot from a boss? The best player that saved the entire raid(often the tank or healer) would have no better chance at getting the wanted item than anybody else and often would lose out because the drop rate would be stupid low.
I used to play WoW and did a calculation arguing for individual player loot and increased drop rates for the phoeniz mount they had there. If drop rates were perfect with that 2% rate on a weekly reset for the boss that dropped it then one player could be guaranteed to get it only after 50 weeks running it. Now, this was 25 player content. That means 50 weeks multiplied by 25 for everyone who was only playing content for that mount to get the mount.
That game hasn't even been out long enough for everyone to get it in a perfect world. The world is imperfect though as all drop chances are server side across the entire population with no weighting system to eventually relent and give players what they are after with enough effort.

RNG is there to keep stuff away from you no matter how hard you try because of the simple fact that nothing can ever be made challenging enough to limit it while still being desirable to consumers.
People hate working harder than they should have to but are addicted to gambling for a chance at "easy stuff".

So, definitely don't compare RNG to challenge.

The problem I have with your post is that obtaining items with low drop rates is indeed a challenge.

Just in the way that winning the "top jackpot" in slots is a massive challenge.

It may not be a test of skill, more a test of luck, but yes the word challenge fits here and either of the aforementioned examples would indeed be decribed as great challenges.

Prerequisite of challenge =/= skill based, git gud.

MasterSpatula

Blanco wrote: »

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

One thing I want to add is I do like the Rng factor from the event, games need some level of challenge or else they're just boring and unfulfilling.

RNG is never "challenge". They're 2 different ideas that often oppose each other.

Ever play a game where you had to roll for loot from a boss? The best player that saved the entire raid(often the tank or healer) would have no better chance at getting the wanted item than anybody else and often would lose out because the drop rate would be stupid low.
I used to play WoW and did a calculation arguing for individual player loot and increased drop rates for the phoeniz mount they had there. If drop rates were perfect with that 2% rate on a weekly reset for the boss that dropped it then one player could be guaranteed to get it only after 50 weeks running it. Now, this was 25 player content. That means 50 weeks multiplied by 25 for everyone who was only playing content for that mount to get the mount.
That game hasn't even been out long enough for everyone to get it in a perfect world. The world is imperfect though as all drop chances are server side across the entire population with no weighting system to eventually relent and give players what they are after with enough effort.

RNG is there to keep stuff away from you no matter how hard you try because of the simple fact that nothing can ever be made challenging enough to limit it while still being desirable to consumers.
People hate working harder than they should have to but are addicted to gambling for a chance at "easy stuff".

So, definitely don't compare RNG to challenge.

The problem I have with your post is that obtaining items with low drop rates is indeed a challenge.

Just in the way that winning the "top jackpot" in slots is a massive challenge.

It may not be a test of skill, more a test of luck, but yes the word challenge fits here and either of the aforementioned examples would indeed be decribed as great challenges.

Prerequisite of challenge =/= skill based, git gud.

You're confusing challenging with hard. They're not the same thing.

"It may not be a test of skill, more a test of luck..." See, I'm not sure you know what challenge actually means.

Mystrius_Archaion

Blanco wrote: »

The problem I have with your post is that obtaining items with low drop rates is indeed a challenge.

Just in the way that winning the "top jackpot" in slots is a massive challenge.

So, it's a challenge when you "have the boss on farm" and it's so easy you can speedrun it with your eyes closed "face-rolling"?

Are provisioning writs a challenge, for example? Is getting that Psijic Ambrosia recipe a challenge or just a grind?
Are you limited to daily one time completion of all writs because it's a challenge or because it's so easy that they don't want you to actually try to stay awake, a real challenge, to farm that thing out over 24 hours without sleep?

Is it a challenge to commute to work everyday however long distance/time it takes you to get there or is the real challenge what you do when you get there? Is that even a challenge if you do the same everyday or does it become muscle-memory?

What if somebody comes and plays the slots just after you run out of money and is hitting the same RNG lever you were, no other buttons just random chance, and wins the jackpot having spent 1/100th of what you did? Is that a challenge for them or a challenge for you to not attack them or the casino staff for not giving you "your rightful prize"?


You don't know the definition of challenge.

Enslaved

jakeedmundson wrote: »

Do these even exist?
i've found something like a dozen of those banners, and plenty of every other drop from the supply case.... never the jewels of misrule.

I also cannot find them in guild stores.... and no one seems to be selling any in chat. Are they that rare? or is there some issue with the drop rate?

Have finished my festival, got title of Royal Jester on 11 chars. So I guess it exist.

Integral1900

Well they managed to do it again, welcome to the Dubious Camoran Throne grind, if you are lucky enough to find this stupid thing just stick it in the guild store for any price you dam well feel like

How the hell did they manage to turn the jesters festival into yet another grind

Integral1900

In fact, sod it, I give in, I'm going back to my new dk alt for a bit of story telling, I just can't be arsed....

Betsararie

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

One thing I want to add is I do like the Rng factor from the event, games need some level of challenge or else they're just boring and unfulfilling.

RNG is never "challenge". They're 2 different ideas that often oppose each other.

Ever play a game where you had to roll for loot from a boss? The best player that saved the entire raid(often the tank or healer) would have no better chance at getting the wanted item than anybody else and often would lose out because the drop rate would be stupid low.
I used to play WoW and did a calculation arguing for individual player loot and increased drop rates for the phoeniz mount they had there. If drop rates were perfect with that 2% rate on a weekly reset for the boss that dropped it then one player could be guaranteed to get it only after 50 weeks running it. Now, this was 25 player content. That means 50 weeks multiplied by 25 for everyone who was only playing content for that mount to get the mount.
That game hasn't even been out long enough for everyone to get it in a perfect world. The world is imperfect though as all drop chances are server side across the entire population with no weighting system to eventually relent and give players what they are after with enough effort.

RNG is there to keep stuff away from you no matter how hard you try because of the simple fact that nothing can ever be made challenging enough to limit it while still being desirable to consumers.
People hate working harder than they should have to but are addicted to gambling for a chance at "easy stuff".

So, definitely don't compare RNG to challenge.

The problem I have with your post is that obtaining items with low drop rates is indeed a challenge.

Just in the way that winning the "top jackpot" in slots is a massive challenge.

It may not be a test of skill, more a test of luck, but yes the word challenge fits here and either of the aforementioned examples would indeed be decribed as great challenges.

Prerequisite of challenge =/= skill based, git gud.

You're confusing challenging with hard. They're not the same thing.

"It may not be a test of skill, more a test of luck..." See, I'm not sure you know what challenge actually means.

And there you'd be wrong. I very much do know the definition of challenge, you best believe that. Trust me when I say you have the 65 year old grandma out there playing slots for days straight, it is a great challenge to get that jackpot, she will never get it.

The grind within MMOs is a great challenge to obtain items with low drop rates... ESO has numerous examples, some of which I've gotten some I haven't. vMA comes to mind. Yes, the grind is a challenge to be overcome.

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

The problem I have with your post is that obtaining items with low drop rates is indeed a challenge.

Just in the way that winning the "top jackpot" in slots is a massive challenge.

So, it's a challenge when you "have the boss on farm" and it's so easy you can speedrun it with your eyes closed "face-rolling"?

Are provisioning writs a challenge, for example? Is getting that Psijic Ambrosia recipe a challenge or just a grind?
Are you limited to daily one time completion of all writs because it's a challenge or because it's so easy that they don't want you to actually try to stay awake, a real challenge, to farm that thing out over 24 hours without sleep?

Is it a challenge to commute to work everyday however long distance/time it takes you to get there or is the real challenge what you do when you get there? Is that even a challenge if you do the same everyday or does it become muscle-memory?

What if somebody comes and plays the slots just after you run out of money and is hitting the same RNG lever you were, no other buttons just random chance, and wins the jackpot having spent 1/100th of what you did? Is that a challenge for them or a challenge for you to not attack them or the casino staff for not giving you "your rightful prize"?


You don't know the definition of challenge.

You're wrong, friend.

I indeed know the definition of challenge and I will tell you there is nothing harder than obtaining items with low drop rates. Sometimes you'll never get it after months of grinding. These items are a challenge to get, however sometimes a challenge can be a good thing.

MasterSpatula

I indeed know the definition of challenge and I will tell you there is nothing harder than obtaining items with low drop rates.

Mystrius_Archaion

Integral1900 wrote: »

Well they managed to do it again, welcome to the Dubious Camoran Throne grind, if you are lucky enough to find this stupid thing just stick it in the guild store for any price you dam well feel like

How the hell did they manage to turn the jesters festival into yet another grind

That's the easier recipe to find, actually. I've been doing this on 7 characters, all 3 quests for 4 of them and only 2 on the other 3. That's 18 boxes per day and only 2 jewels recipes since this started but gotten 5 camoran ones.

Mystrius_Archaion

Blanco wrote: »

And there you'd be wrong. I very much do know the definition of challenge, you best believe that. Trust me when I say you have the 65 year old grandma out there playing slots for days straight, it is a great challenge to get that jackpot, she will never get it.

The grind within MMOs is a great challenge to obtain items with low drop rates... ESO has numerous examples, some of which I've gotten some I haven't. vMA comes to mind. Yes, the grind is a challenge to be overcome.

Mystrius_Archaion wrote: »

You don't know the definition of challenge.

You're wrong, friend.

I indeed know the definition of challenge and I will tell you there is nothing harder than obtaining items with low drop rates. Sometimes you'll never get it after months of grinding. These items are a challenge to get, however sometimes a challenge can be a good thing.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/challenging

arousing competitive interest, thought, or action - a challenging course of study - a challenging job

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/challenge

1.a call or summons to engage in any contest, as of skill, strength, etc.
5.difficulty in a job or undertaking that is stimulating to one engaged in it.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/challenging

1.offering a challenge; testing one's ability, endurance, etc

Nobody EVER calls "gambling" challenging, except maybe when talking about certain forms that let you actually control the outcome more, such as blackjack.
"Luck" is never, ever ever ever, included in any definition of challenge. Luck is RNG.



Let me put it this way. You don't get any loot or experience from any enemy in game anymore unless my RNG manchine says so and it says "yes" only 0.001% of the time. You can get xp and loot only 1 time in every 100,000 times you would normally gain anything like that.
Is that "challenging" enough for you? Is that a "challenge".
Would you like not getting any reward for your effort, for you taking on the "challenge of the fight", unless "luck" lets you?

You are confusing luck with challenge. If you are a 65 year old grandmother then I have to ask if you are using this to justify a gambling addiction you need help with? There are gambling addiction phone numbers in every state in the US now.

You don't feel "rewarded for your effort" when you win at the slots. You feel "lucky" which is why there are superstitions and rituals you go through like wearing "lucky socks" or "kissing Lady Luck".
Your effort is minimal pulling the "one-armed bandit". There is a reason it is named a "bandit" as it mostly steals away your supposed "effort".

Jemcrystal

Starting to question if I will get Jewels of Misrule Recipe before event ends. Even playing all my alts and doing nothing else in game but the Jester Festival I still might fail to get the lovely trees. I quit GW2 after an event failure because it was to depressing (and they nerfed solo guilds).

MY HAPPY LEVELS ARE DECREASING

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jakeedmundson

i ended up finding one on the guild trader. it was worth it to not have to keep redoing those garbage quests every day

Tryxus

Found 4 Jewels of Misrule and 5 Camoran recipes since the event started

Time to truly enjoy the festival and be a Radical and Radiant Royal Jester

deepseamk20b14_ESO

Misrule dropped for me second go around. I bought tomes but I'm sure it will drop and I will resell it.

Violynne

Good grief. I didn't know I could repeat this quest. I only have 3 characters, but just did it once figuring the items were account bound.

I want more banners.

Guess I know what I'll be doing tonight.

Katahdin

Doing these quests over and over and over praying for a drop isn't a challenge, it's frustrating and boring.

What the hell am I going to do with 70 banners....seriously. Does anyone actually want that many? Sure don't need that many.

The banners should not be tradable, or bankable because guild stores and guild banks would be flooded with them.

nine9six

I've tried finding them on the traders. I have 0 interest in the "Event". No dice so far.

Kodrac

I refuse to pay 30k+ for this one recipe.

kakarot482_ESO

Finally had a Jewels of Misrule recipe drop for me today. It was the last thing I need to get all the achievements for this event on my main character. Omg, so excited to not have to do those quests anymore. Especially that Glenumbra one. Sheesh.

Lake

I bought the Dubious Camoran Throne for 5k in a trader because I was lazy. I saw some people putting it up for like 99k. What the.

Betsararie

Dubious Camoran Throne may be impossible to get.

I did get that once but that was clearly a fluke.

I've never even seen it in a trader.

What traders have you guys seen it at? I'm tired of doing these quests every day.

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Betsararie

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Dubious Camoran Throne may be impossible to get.

I did get that once but that was clearly a fluke.

I've never even seen it in a trader.

What traders have you guys seen it at? I'm tired of doing these quests every day.

It's in traders for like 100k.

I simply traded a Jewels of Misrule to get my Dubious Camoran Throne.

Well, of course I'm not willing to pay that but there was an above poster who mentioned buying it for 5k.

I would be willing to pay that price. But what I am saying is I have never seen it in any guild trader before, at a ridiculous price or otherwise.

And I have probably checked over 30 guild traders for it.

gard

I did the quests for 3 days on just 2 characters (1 per account)..
Honestly I don't even care anymore about the achievement.
More of the same "grind until the rng god is kind to you" ESO gameplay. No thanks.

Katahdin

Blanco wrote: »

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Dubious Camoran Throne may be impossible to get.

I did get that once but that was clearly a fluke.

I've never even seen it in a trader.

What traders have you guys seen it at? I'm tired of doing these quests every day.

It's in traders for like 100k.

I simply traded a Jewels of Misrule to get my Dubious Camoran Throne.

Well, of course I'm not willing to pay that but there was an above poster who mentioned buying it for 5k.

I would be willing to pay that price. But what I am saying is I have never seen it in any guild trader before, at a ridiculous price or otherwise.

And I have probably checked over 30 guild traders for it.

Any reasonably-priced one is bought up almost immediately

Betsararie

Katahdin wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

Blanco wrote: »

Dubious Camoran Throne may be impossible to get.

I did get that once but that was clearly a fluke.

I've never even seen it in a trader.

What traders have you guys seen it at? I'm tired of doing these quests every day.

It's in traders for like 100k.

I simply traded a Jewels of Misrule to get my Dubious Camoran Throne.

Well, of course I'm not willing to pay that but there was an above poster who mentioned buying it for 5k.

I would be willing to pay that price. But what I am saying is I have never seen it in any guild trader before, at a ridiculous price or otherwise.

And I have probably checked over 30 guild traders for it.

Any reasonably-priced one is bought up almost immediately

yep, not too surprised by that.