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Mag DK PvP Builds and Discussion
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Carelxss✭HereForMorale wrote: »FRONT BAR-
Fossilize
Engulfing Flames
Burning Embers
Burning Talons
Flame Lash
Ulti- Ferocious Leap
BACK BAR-
Structured Entropy
Elusive Mist/ Flames of Oblivion
Coagulating Blood
Volatile Armor
Igneous Shield
Ulti- Shooting Star
5 Seducer-
S&B front and back bar
Chest
Belt
Legs
5 Burning Spellweave-
Gloves
Boots
Necklace
Ring
Ring
Valkyn Skoria-
Head
Shoulder
This is 5 heavy 2 light
All impen besides shield which is reinforced
Can throw in some Sturdy pieces
Sharpened Sword FB
Defending Sword BB
Tri Stat glyphs on all armor
Health glyph on back bar shield
Spell damage enchants on swords
Jewlery-
1 recovery glyph
2 spell damage
Tri Stat food
Thief mundus
VAMPIRE!
90 magician
55 arcanist
20 tumbling
35 shadow ward
10 blessed
20 elfborn
90 elemental expert
53 spell erosion
27 thaumaturge
35 resistant
70 hardy
70 elemental defender
15 thick skinned
10 quick recovery
What are your stats sitting at?
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HereForMorale wrote: »FRONT BAR-
Fossilize
Engulfing Flames
Burning Embers
Burning Talons
Flame Lash
Ulti- Ferocious Leap
BACK BAR-
Structured Entropy
Elusive Mist/ Flames of Oblivion
Coagulating Blood
Volatile Armor
Igneous Shield
Ulti- Shooting Star
5 Seducer-
S&B front and back bar
Chest
Belt
Legs
5 Burning Spellweave-
Gloves
Boots
Necklace
Ring
Ring
Valkyn Skoria-
Head
Shoulder
This is 5 heavy 2 light
All impen besides shield which is reinforced
Can throw in some Sturdy pieces
Sharpened Sword FB
Defending Sword BB
Tri Stat glyphs on all armor
Health glyph on back bar shield
Spell damage enchants on swords
Jewlery-
1 recovery glyph
2 spell damage
Tri Stat food
Thief mundus
VAMPIRE!
90 magician
55 arcanist
20 tumbling
35 shadow ward
10 blessed
20 elfborn
90 elemental expert
53 spell erosion
27 thaumaturge
35 resistant
70 hardy
70 elemental defender
15 thick skinned
10 quick recovery
What are your stats sitting at?
Off the top of my head about-
1.4k Mag Recov
36k max mag
17k stam
28k health
Buffed spell damage 3.7k
Crit buffed about 46%
Resistance are about 24k physical 28k spell1 -
Jjitsuboy98✭✭✭✭HereForMorale wrote: »HereForMorale wrote: »FRONT BAR-
Fossilize
Engulfing Flames
Burning Embers
Burning Talons
Flame Lash
Ulti- Ferocious Leap
BACK BAR-
Structured Entropy
Elusive Mist/ Flames of Oblivion
Coagulating Blood
Volatile Armor
Igneous Shield
Ulti- Shooting Star
5 Seducer-
S&B front and back bar
Chest
Belt
Legs
5 Burning Spellweave-
Gloves
Boots
Necklace
Ring
Ring
Valkyn Skoria-
Head
Shoulder
This is 5 heavy 2 light
All impen besides shield which is reinforced
Can throw in some Sturdy pieces
Sharpened Sword FB
Defending Sword BB
Tri Stat glyphs on all armor
Health glyph on back bar shield
Spell damage enchants on swords
Jewlery-
1 recovery glyph
2 spell damage
Tri Stat food
Thief mundus
VAMPIRE!
90 magician
55 arcanist
20 tumbling
35 shadow ward
10 blessed
20 elfborn
90 elemental expert
53 spell erosion
27 thaumaturge
35 resistant
70 hardy
70 elemental defender
15 thick skinned
10 quick recovery
What are your stats sitting at?
Off the top of my head about-
1.4k Mag Recov
36k max mag
17k stam
28k health
Buffed spell damage 3.7k
Crit buffed about 46%
Resistance are about 24k physical 28k spell
I would try this setup if I can get heavy skoria .0 -
Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »HereForMorale wrote: »HereForMorale wrote: »FRONT BAR-
Fossilize
Engulfing Flames
Burning Embers
Burning Talons
Flame Lash
Ulti- Ferocious Leap
BACK BAR-
Structured Entropy
Elusive Mist/ Flames of Oblivion
Coagulating Blood
Volatile Armor
Igneous Shield
Ulti- Shooting Star
5 Seducer-
S&B front and back bar
Chest
Belt
Legs
5 Burning Spellweave-
Gloves
Boots
Necklace
Ring
Ring
Valkyn Skoria-
Head
Shoulder
This is 5 heavy 2 light
All impen besides shield which is reinforced
Can throw in some Sturdy pieces
Sharpened Sword FB
Defending Sword BB
Tri Stat glyphs on all armor
Health glyph on back bar shield
Spell damage enchants on swords
Jewlery-
1 recovery glyph
2 spell damage
Tri Stat food
Thief mundus
VAMPIRE!
90 magician
55 arcanist
20 tumbling
35 shadow ward
10 blessed
20 elfborn
90 elemental expert
53 spell erosion
27 thaumaturge
35 resistant
70 hardy
70 elemental defender
15 thick skinned
10 quick recovery
What are your stats sitting at?
Off the top of my head about-
1.4k Mag Recov
36k max mag
17k stam
28k health
Buffed spell damage 3.7k
Crit buffed about 46%
Resistance are about 24k physical 28k spell
I would try this setup if I can get heavy skoria .
Yeah I have a reinforced Skoria shoulder unfortunately. Still working on getting sturdy or impen.0 -
Jjitsuboy98✭✭✭✭HereForMorale wrote: »Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »HereForMorale wrote: »HereForMorale wrote: »FRONT BAR-
Fossilize
Engulfing Flames
Burning Embers
Burning Talons
Flame Lash
Ulti- Ferocious Leap
BACK BAR-
Structured Entropy
Elusive Mist/ Flames of Oblivion
Coagulating Blood
Volatile Armor
Igneous Shield
Ulti- Shooting Star
5 Seducer-
S&B front and back bar
Chest
Belt
Legs
5 Burning Spellweave-
Gloves
Boots
Necklace
Ring
Ring
Valkyn Skoria-
Head
Shoulder
This is 5 heavy 2 light
All impen besides shield which is reinforced
Can throw in some Sturdy pieces
Sharpened Sword FB
Defending Sword BB
Tri Stat glyphs on all armor
Health glyph on back bar shield
Spell damage enchants on swords
Jewlery-
1 recovery glyph
2 spell damage
Tri Stat food
Thief mundus
VAMPIRE!
90 magician
55 arcanist
20 tumbling
35 shadow ward
10 blessed
20 elfborn
90 elemental expert
53 spell erosion
27 thaumaturge
35 resistant
70 hardy
70 elemental defender
15 thick skinned
10 quick recovery
What are your stats sitting at?
Off the top of my head about-
1.4k Mag Recov
36k max mag
17k stam
28k health
Buffed spell damage 3.7k
Crit buffed about 46%
Resistance are about 24k physical 28k spell
I would try this setup if I can get heavy skoria .
Yeah I have a reinforced Skoria shoulder unfortunately. Still working on getting sturdy or impen.
I'm also trying to find sturdy black Rose. Out of all the vendors in tamriel I only got one piece. Most of my monster sets are garbage traits rng hates me.1 -
Carelxss✭What do you guys think of 5 bsw, 5 twiceborn star, 2 BS running the thief and the mage compared to 5 black rose and 5 bsw0
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What do you guys think of 5 bsw, 5 twiceborn star, 2 BS running the thief and the mage compared to 5 black rose and 5 bsw
I know for TBS it's better to run it with all divines which is why it is widely used in PvE. Not sure it would perform as good in PvP but it's something worth testing I suppose. I think you would be better off with Black Rose instead of TBS.1 -
Takes-No-Prisoner✭✭✭✭✭
✭I am running 5 pc BSW, 5pc Blackrose, and 2pc Slimecraw
If my opponent isn't getting out of my range or doesn't have defensive buffs up they get melted into a pool of ooze.
I also ran something similar to this during no cp week. MagDK is a mighty fine class. I really hope to learn 2 play it more.Edited by Takes-No-Prisoner on March 17, 2017 5:21PM1 -
Carelxss✭Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »I am running 5 pc BSW, 5pc Blackrose, and 2pc Slimecraw
If my opponent isn't getting out of my range or doesn't have defensive buffs up they get melted into a pool of ooze.
I also ran something similar to this during no cp week. MagDK is a mighty fine class. I really hope to learn 2 play it more.
what are your stats and how is your sustain?0 -
Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »I am running 5 pc BSW, 5pc Blackrose, and 2pc Slimecraw
If my opponent isn't getting out of my range or doesn't have defensive buffs up they get melted into a pool of ooze.
I also ran something similar to this during no cp week. MagDK is a mighty fine class. I really hope to learn 2 play it more.
what are your stats and how is your sustain?
That build is gonna sit around 1100-1200 mag recovery(more with jewelry glyphs) + Black Rose bonuses. Probably ~3500 spell damage fully buffed, 35k+ magika and 16k stam. Should be all the sustain you need and tons of damage.0 -
Takes-No-Prisoner✭✭✭✭✭
✭Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »I am running 5 pc BSW, 5pc Blackrose, and 2pc Slimecraw
If my opponent isn't getting out of my range or doesn't have defensive buffs up they get melted into a pool of ooze.
I also ran something similar to this during no cp week. MagDK is a mighty fine class. I really hope to learn 2 play it more.
what are your stats and how is your sustain?
That build is gonna sit around 1100-1200 mag recovery(more with jewelry glyphs) + Black Rose bonuses. Probably ~3500 spell damage fully buffed, 35k+ magika and 16k stam. Should be all the sustain you need and tons of damage.
Pretty much what Lexxypwns said. I have 2 recovery/1 reduce cost on jewelry. I farmed a 1h sharp weap/shield, and have my jewelry specifically just for this toon, since I use the same set, but different pieces on my MagSorc. Cause it would suck a lot to have to keep 2 rings and flip them for spell damage on another toon.
The S+B bar has all fire damage abilities, with Ferocious Leap(can be swapped with Shooting Star). Resto BSW on back bar with buffs, etc. The proc goes off quite often, and Slimecraw 8% minor berserk is active at all times so everything he puts damage to hurts.
I was with a guy the other day who also runs a Fire Staff build with more fire AoE. I would run Engulfing for him. I would run infront of the party taking damage and Engulfing then he would come up from behind me and nuke with EoTS + Vicious Death.Edited by Takes-No-Prisoner on March 17, 2017 9:05PM0 -
Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »I am running 5 pc BSW, 5pc Blackrose, and 2pc Slimecraw
If my opponent isn't getting out of my range or doesn't have defensive buffs up they get melted into a pool of ooze.
I also ran something similar to this during no cp week. MagDK is a mighty fine class. I really hope to learn 2 play it more.
What pieces are what's sets for your gear?0 -
Jjitsuboy98✭✭✭✭So i I have been running blackrose Blackrose and bloodthorn/Syrabane but find the damage way to low. I have like infinite stamina but have a hard time killing stuff quick unless they are just low Cp. Basically have to time skoria and leap.
I would like to change to burning spellweave but I cannot find a shield after countless runs not to mention a sharpened sword. So I was wondering how good would the Sun set be compared to it? OR maybe even spinners to try? Just need more damage.0 -
iseko✭✭✭✭Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »So i I have been running blackrose Blackrose and bloodthorn/Syrabane but find the damage way to low. I have like infinite stamina but have a hard time killing stuff quick unless they are just low Cp. Basically have to time skoria and leap.
I would like to change to burning spellweave but I cannot find a shield after countless runs not to mention a sharpened sword. So I was wondering how good would the Sun set be compared to it? OR maybe even spinners to try? Just need more damage.
Assuming a uptime of 66% on bsw it outperforms sun in overall dmg output. Especially since major sorcery buffs it. However, it does have a downtime and requires you to not go 100% defensive. Need them dots up to proc it...
BSW will allow for bigger burst if you can time it. Sun will allow lower burst but more constant pressure. Tbh I tested both and bsw is better. But not by so much that an experienced player can't use sun and make it work...1 -
Ariades_swe✭✭✭✭✭A problem I see with BSW is that any dot running will have to be reapplied to get the damage buff from bsw when it procs. That will waste mana and gcds. With sun or spinners dots will always get boosted by sets so no need to reapply them.
Whats your opinions of skoria vs slimecraw?
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Takes-No-Prisoner✭✭✭✭✭
✭HereForMorale wrote: »Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »I am running 5 pc BSW, 5pc Blackrose, and 2pc Slimecraw
If my opponent isn't getting out of my range or doesn't have defensive buffs up they get melted into a pool of ooze.
I also ran something similar to this during no cp week. MagDK is a mighty fine class. I really hope to learn 2 play it more.
What pieces are what's sets for your gear?
For BSW
1hand Axe Sharp, with 350 spell damage for 5 sec. enchant
Shield, Reinforced, magic enchant
Resto Staff, powered, enchant does magic damage and you get more magic
2 Rings with recovery, 1 Neck reduce cost
Black Rose, all impen
Feet, health enchant
Legs, magic enchant
Body, magic enchant
Arms, health enchant
Belt, magic enchant
SlimeCraw
Head - impen, light, magic enchant
Shoulder - divines, light, megic enchant
Mundus I get 1,800 magic recovery with Atro mundus and 35,000 max magic with Mage mundus. I run Witchmother Potent brew for the extra 400 magic recovery(to get the 1,800 w/ Atro mundus), but I could also run tri-purple food for 4,000 more stamina.
There is a lot a MagDK can do with getting BSW to proc, since BSW is 4/5 pieces on Resto staff-- if say for example I did Engulfing Flames or Burning Talons on my Resto bar
Swapped to S+B
BSW can proc on the next DoT Flame tic on the target.
Last night I ran with a group of folks and the crown was mentioning how good Standard was for Negate. I told him I could slot it for him so we can try that out.
BSW would proc when the Standard was put down inside of a mob of people, our group mates would use the chains synergy to keep them there. His Negate + my BSW and other peoples damage combined would melt anything coming into contact with the standard. It's not a one shot like some gank builds can do, but in the right conditions, it can destroy squishly characters and put a very large dent into tanks. For this reason, I would swap out Fossilize for Burning Talons, if they or new people entered into the Standard+Negate combo, I would need to keep them rooted there.Edited by Takes-No-Prisoner on March 20, 2017 1:49PM0 -
TheStealthDude✭✭✭✭How is Engine Guardian as a sustain set for mDK? I've never tried it in PvP and was curious to how it performs, if someone with experience could shed some light on it.0 -
Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »So i I have been running blackrose Blackrose and bloodthorn/Syrabane but find the damage way to low. I have like infinite stamina but have a hard time killing stuff quick unless they are just low Cp. Basically have to time skoria and leap.
I would like to change to burning spellweave but I cannot find a shield after countless runs not to mention a sharpened sword. So I was wondering how good would the Sun set be compared to it? OR maybe even spinners to try? Just need more damage.
Assuming a uptime of 66% on bsw it outperforms sun in overall dmg output. Especially since major sorcery buffs it. However, it does have a downtime and requires you to not go 100% defensive. Need them dots up to proc it...
BSW will allow for bigger burst if you can time it. Sun will allow lower burst but more constant pressure. Tbh I tested both and bsw is better. But not by so much that an experienced player can't use sun and make it work...
BSW drastically outperforms sun for purposes of healing though. Even though Sun will actually give you higher consistent damage than BSW in pvp your heals won't be affected by it so you either wear another damage set or your heals are bad. This is why Sun has fallen out of favor this patch, now that there's a reliable class heal that scales on spell damage AND can crit the mDK has to assign a certain value to those things. Imo, the value of increased healing and the fact that you can run it in heavy makes julianos a much more appealing set to me than sun. But that's just the way I look at things when I'm working on a build.2 -
Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭TheStealthDude wrote: »How is Engine Guardian as a sustain set for mDK? I've never tried it in PvP and was curious to how it performs, if someone with experience could shed some light on it.
EG is great on paper. I didn't like the results I had, there's a 33% chance of the proc being useless.0 -
Takes-No-Prisoner✭✭✭✭✭
✭TheStealthDude wrote: »How is Engine Guardian as a sustain set for mDK? I've never tried it in PvP and was curious to how it performs, if someone with experience could shed some light on it.
EG is great on paper. I didn't like the results I had, there's a 33% chance of the proc being useless.
This is pretty much the same conclusion I came to as well. I really like this set, on pen and paper, but when it's out and about it's lack luster really shines a lot.
Like, when one steps back and takes a look at EG, you're playing with fire. The bad kind of fire. You'd be putting RNG on chances to get your resources back when it decides to go off. When I go into building a character-- espeically a MagDK whose resources I need to pay attention to, I need consistency. I do not like RNG telling me what I can and can't have back. That's just a recipe for disaster.Edited by Takes-No-Prisoner on March 20, 2017 5:08PM0 -
Jjitsuboy98✭✭✭✭How is grothdar fairing these days is it still viable to run? Wouldn't seem like on paper to be very good.0
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Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »How is grothdar fairing these days is it still viable to run? Wouldn't seem like on paper to be very good.
Not bad. Still best in slot for AoE damage. At least for mag dks.1 -
iseko✭✭✭✭Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »So i I have been running blackrose Blackrose and bloodthorn/Syrabane but find the damage way to low. I have like infinite stamina but have a hard time killing stuff quick unless they are just low Cp. Basically have to time skoria and leap.
I would like to change to burning spellweave but I cannot find a shield after countless runs not to mention a sharpened sword. So I was wondering how good would the Sun set be compared to it? OR maybe even spinners to try? Just need more damage.
Assuming a uptime of 66% on bsw it outperforms sun in overall dmg output. Especially since major sorcery buffs it. However, it does have a downtime and requires you to not go 100% defensive. Need them dots up to proc it...
BSW will allow for bigger burst if you can time it. Sun will allow lower burst but more constant pressure. Tbh I tested both and bsw is better. But not by so much that an experienced player can't use sun and make it work...
BSW drastically outperforms sun for purposes of healing though. Even though Sun will actually give you higher consistent damage than BSW in pvp your heals won't be affected by it so you either wear another damage set or your heals are bad. This is why Sun has fallen out of favor this patch, now that there's a reliable class heal that scales on spell damage AND can crit the mDK has to assign a certain value to those things. Imo, the value of increased healing and the fact that you can run it in heavy makes julianos a much more appealing set to me than sun. But that's just the way I look at things when I'm working on a build.
I did not consider that. But I usually heal a lot through inhale/burning embers/power lash. All of which scale with sun. Cdb is a last resort. Still, very good point which I had not considered. I dont run either bsw or sun though.0 -
iseko✭✭✭✭Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »How is grothdar fairing these days is it still viable to run? Wouldn't seem like on paper to be very good.
It is if you play for it. I always run bloodspawn on stam and magDK. But usually a mDK will pressure people instead of burst. Embers/engulfing/reactive/talons/inhale and flame lash all stacked ontop of eachother. Add bats (or standard/dragon leap?) and grothdar and you are melting people.
Bloodspawn just offers the holy trinity in my eyes. Dmg, sustain and defense. Too good not to use. Grothdar only offers dmg.1 -
Voryn_Dagoth✭✭We have two identical discussions about MagDK in PvP, together with this thread: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/318801/homestead-magika-dk-pvp-build-discussion
Can a mod maybe merge these two?Edited by Voryn_Dagoth on March 21, 2017 5:34PM0 -
Jjitsuboy98✭✭✭✭Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »How is grothdar fairing these days is it still viable to run? Wouldn't seem like on paper to be very good.
It is if you play for it. I always run bloodspawn on stam and magDK. But usually a mDK will pressure people instead of burst. Embers/engulfing/reactive/talons/inhale and flame lash all stacked ontop of eachother. Add bats (or standard/dragon leap?) and grothdar and you are melting people.
Bloodspawn just offers the holy trinity in my eyes. Dmg, sustain and defense. Too good not to use. Grothdar only offers dmg.
I really like skoria. I just can't seem to get a heavy shoulder.0 -
Voryn_Dagoth wrote: »We have two identical discussions about MagDK in PvP, together with this thread: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/318801/homestead-magika-dk-pvp-build-discussion
Can a mod maybe merge this two?
Meh.Edited by HereForMorale on March 21, 2017 1:23PM0 -
FloppyTouch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭HereForMorale wrote: »So what's everyone running for the Morrowind patch on their mag DKs?
Two builds depends
I like impregnable in sturdy sword and shield rings neck silks of the sun with bloodspawn and reduce cost glyphs on rings and neck
Also impregnable with desert rose and skoria is fun for BG stuff1 -
FloppyTouch wrote: »HereForMorale wrote: »So what's everyone running for the Morrowind patch on their mag DKs?
Two builds depends
I like impregnable in sturdy sword and shield rings neck silks of the sun with bloodspawn and reduce cost glyphs on rings and neck
Also impregnable with desert rose and skoria is fun for BG stuff
Sounds like that'd be pretty tanky.0