Wild Hunt Crates are up!

Molydeus

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

Grebcol wrote: »

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

Watching all these people excited for these great (rip off <cough>) deals.

Here, I'll do you all a favor. Pay me $50 instead of ZOS, I'll come over and kick you in the nuts like I'm kicking a field goal. You'll save money, and get more benefit from the resulting experience.

You're welcome.

Dude then get some work. I have Sub and many crowns left so i tried the gamble. Stop insulting people which pay(/support) for a great game/series.

@Livvy
RnG Jesus was with me so i had the guar in second turn!

I've actually put over $2,000 into this game so far, so don't make it sound like I'm insulting the heroes of eso support. You aren't a hero for buying these crates, you aren't supporting the game, you're supporting ZOS thinking *** like this is a good idea. In the end, you purchasing these crates will make the game worse, less ingame content, more crown store horse ***.

But, keep feeling superior for your crate purchases. You are making the future of the game worse.

I was just making a joke, I guess buyer remorse makes you really sensitive. It's humour jackass, learn about it, or get thicker skin.

But your joke wasn't funny. It was dumb.

Molydeus

I like the mounts, don't really care about the other stuff.

Balamoor

I will only use the crowns from my sub
I will only use the crowns from my sub
I will only use the crowns from my sub

Lord_Eomer

Darkstorne wrote: »

Man, the apex mounts look amazing. I'd happily pay 2.5k crowns each for the bear and the senche, but they can sod off with their <1% apex drop rate crates.

I got senchie after opening 40 crates!

Cynnalia

After wanting the Wild Hunt Senche since the second I saw the datamine last year, I finally have it! No RNG required for this one...just bought it with my 400 gems saved from the previous season.

AlMcFly

MadLarkin wrote: »

My issue lies solely with game devs/publishers that continuously push the boundaries of good taste and customer exploitation and then are shocked when player numbers die off.

There is nothing wrong with voicing your opinion against a company's business practices. The minute you put others down for their purchasing decisions though, is the very minute you become a scumbag. By all means though, keep the ZOS criticism coming as long as it is intelligently argued.

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

I've actually put over $2,000 into this game so far

I don't care if you put $100,000 into this game. If you're insulting other's for their monetary decisions, you're still a scumbag. No amount of money invested gives you a "free card" to insult other patrons without recourse.

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

you aren't supporting the game, you're supporting ZOS thinking *** like this is a good idea. In the end, you purchasing these crates will make the game worse, less ingame content, more crown store horse ***.

Slippery Slope. I'd like to see this magical empirical evidence X follows Y, and that this is the conversation going on behind closed doors at ZOS. ALl I see are assumptions and opinions being put forward as if they're already true.

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

But, keep feeling superior for your crate purchases. You are making the future of the game worse.

Ironic, considering the only person acting like they have all the right answers (aka superior) is you.

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

I was just making a joke, I guess buyer remorse makes you really sensitive. It's humour jackass, learn about it, or get thicker skin.

It's no longer a joke when I've seen you now spouting the same arguments across two separate threads about the same thing. If you have an unpopular opinion, have the balls to support it. Don't hide behind "it's just a joke".

Balamoor

I just don't get the crown crate rage....

If you don't like it don't buy, no one is holding a gun to your head. I'm personally amazed that ZoS is as tolerant as they are about these non constructive rage posts, that lend nothing to the conversation other than snarkyness and epeen wars.

It reinforces what I have said all along...this game has an amazing in game community and a very toxic General forum.

PlaceboSoul

AlMcFly wrote: »

MadLarkin wrote: »

My issue lies solely with game devs/publishers that continuously push the boundaries of good taste and customer exploitation and then are shocked when player numbers die off.

There is nothing wrong with voicing your opinion against a company's business practices. The minute you put others down for their purchasing decisions though, is the very minute you become a scumbag. By all means though, keep the ZOS criticism coming as long as it is intelligently argued.

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

I've actually put over $2,000 into this game so far

I don't care if you put $100,000 into this game. If you're insulting other's for their monetary decisions, you're still a scumbag. No amount of money invested gives you a "free card" to insult other patrons without recourse.

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

you aren't supporting the game, you're supporting ZOS thinking *** like this is a good idea. In the end, you purchasing these crates will make the game worse, less ingame content, more crown store horse ***.

Slippery Slope. I'd like to see this magical empirical evidence X follows Y, and that this is the conversation going on behind closed doors at ZOS. ALl I see are assumptions and opinions being put forward as if they're already true.

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

But, keep feeling superior for your crate purchases. You are making the future of the game worse.

Ironic, considering the only person acting like they have all the right answers (aka superior) is you.

PlaceboSoul wrote: »

I was just making a joke, I guess buyer remorse makes you really sensitive. It's humour jackass, learn about it, or get thicker skin.

It's no longer a joke when I've seen you now spouting the same arguments across two separate threads about the same thing. If you have an unpopular opinion, have the balls to support it. Don't hide behind "it's just a joke".

Actually I do support my opinion, it's not one or the other. I can make a joke based on my opinion, and have it just be a joke, and still fully support my opinion. Just because you are butt hurt by my joke and opinion, doesn't make me a scumbag, scumbag.

Also, since you are so keen on empirical data, where is your data to say my opinion is unpopular? Oh, you don't agree, so that makes my opinion unpopular. Uh huh. Yup, it's me that's the superior ass, keep telling yourself that.

Abeille

AlMcFly wrote: »

Slippery Slope. I'd like to see this magical empirical evidence X follows Y, and that this is the conversation going on behind closed doors at ZOS. ALl I see are assumptions and opinions being put forward as if they're already true.

Well... About that...

The person who was hired to introduce them last year has in her curriculum that she is specialized in F2P conversion strategies, and she worked on other games that followed this path. So the conclusion that when the same people are hired to do the same thing in a similar environment it will result in a similar result is not unreasonable. It is logical.

The fact that ZOS announced Morrowind but didn't announce the F2P transition with it makes me hopeful that the Crates maybe will not become their main source of income and therefore the logical investment, at least for some time. But if tons of people buy tons of Crates every time a new season of Crates rolls in, it is still possible that this will happen, and then everybody that plays the game will suffer, Crate buyer or not.

Sure, a few people like me refusing to buy the Crates even if we have our sub Crowns collecting dust due to the very few releases of items for direct purchase in the Crown Store lately won't change the path of the game. But I can at least know that I am not contributing to their "Crown Crate success" statistic.

Balamoor wrote: »

I just don't get the crown crate rage....

If you don't like it don't buy, no one is holding a gun to your head. I'm personally amazed that ZoS is as tolerant as they are about these non constructive rage posts, that lend nothing to the conversation other than snarkyness and epeen wars.

It reinforces what I have said all along...this game has an amazing in game community and a very toxic General forum.

They are tolerant with the posts from people who are against the crates because they read them and know that we have reasons for disliking them, and that the "don't like it, don't buy it" argument doesn't even touch the actual issue with them, not even the slightest.

Otherwise, they would have shut us up a very, very long time ago. There is a reason why even some Community Embassadors speak against them, you know.

Enodoc

All you guys who are opening crates -- please fill in this form as you do so! https://goo.gl/forms/8ZwWsDbnT2ulv4FJ3

Rohaus

Ever since seeing these a few months back... I knew I would be gripped with a decision... break down and buy crates which I despise or not get the apex bear mount...

$120 later... finally was able to purchase the bear apex mount with crowns...

Never again.

It's my birthday weekend so I decided I give it a try... bah... $120 for a virtual mount is what I keep saying to myself. Ya... dumb...

MadLarkin

Balamoor wrote: »

I just don't get the crown crate rage....

If you don't like it don't buy, no one is holding a gun to your head. I'm personally amazed that ZoS is as tolerant as they are about these non constructive rage posts, that lend nothing to the conversation other than snarkyness and epeen wars.

It reinforces what I have said all along...this game has an amazing in game community and a very toxic General forum.

The optional nature of the crates isn't the issue. For many, it never was. Its the scummy nature of the practice itself. It is a system designed from the ground up to lock the most alluring cosmetics behind horrendous RNG in order to make people pay way more for their desired item than they would have if it was being sold in the store directly. That is why these gambling crates (in any game) exist, and time after time we have seen these types of maneuvers shift the focus of a game's developers from delivering meaningful content to shoving as many new shinies in the crates as possible because the company makes enough money from them that nothing else matters.

We are speaking out against this BECAUSE the game is great and we are slowly watching that change. How a company treats its customers determines whether or not they get more of my money or if I continue to play their game. Call it what you like, its just how I operate. ESO was going to be my next huge game investment for the wife and I. Crown crates, the dodgy nature of changing the ESO+ language in order to charge for the next "chapter," the lame copy/paste housing system, and the increasing amount of items going into the crown store, along with game mechanics being implemented to push people towards it, have all basically killed my enthusiasm. At this point I'm just hoping they turn it around before they mutate it into yet another dead MMO that gets no real new content and just shovels a new set of gambling crates out to the whales every month. Look around. There's no shortage of MMO's that have ended up that way.

PlaceboSoul

MadLarkin wrote: »

Balamoor wrote: »

I just don't get the crown crate rage....

If you don't like it don't buy, no one is holding a gun to your head. I'm personally amazed that ZoS is as tolerant as they are about these non constructive rage posts, that lend nothing to the conversation other than snarkyness and epeen wars.

It reinforces what I have said all along...this game has an amazing in game community and a very toxic General forum.

The optional nature of the crates isn't the issue. For many, it never was. Its the scummy nature of the practice itself. It is a system designed from the ground up to lock the most alluring cosmetics behind horrendous RNG in order to make people pay way more for their desired item than they would have if it was being sold in the store directly. That is why these gambling crates (in any game) exist, and time after time we have seen these types of maneuvers shift the focus of a game's developers from delivering meaningful content to shoving as many new shinies in the crates as possible because the company makes enough money from them that nothing else matters.

We are speaking out against this BECAUSE the game is great and we are slowly watching that change. How a company treats its customers determines whether or not they get more of my money or if I continue to play their game. Call it what you like, its just how I operate. ESO was going to be my next huge game investment for the wife and I. Crown crates, the dodgy nature of changing the ESO+ language in order to charge for the next "chapter," the lame copy/paste housing system, and the increasing amount of items going into the crown store, along with game mechanics being implemented to push people towards it, have all basically killed my enthusiasm. At this point I'm just hoping they turn it around before they mutate it into yet another dead MMO that gets no real new content and just shovels a new set of gambling crates out to the whales every month. Look around. There's no shortage of MMO's that have ended up that way.

Thank you for putting it more eloquently than I have. These are exactly the reasons I am opposed to most of the crown store ploys. I come across as a bit caustic at times, but really my intent is trying to protect the future of the game. I love eso. I love tamriel, and have been a TES fan all the way back to Arena. I hate scummy in app purchase corporate ploys, they always end the same. Fast profits for the company, eventual alienation of the majority of the player base. I do not want that to happen to eso. Say what you will about WoW, but they have stuck it out for a LONG time with nothing other than a monthly sub. When times got tough, they released more content, used advertising, and improved the game; they didn't install a crown store.

Anyway, I'm not the most subtle person, and I know I lack grace most of the time, so again, thanks for posting the meaning of what I and many others I know are fearing, in a more eloquent manner.

silvermistktralasub17_ESO

I didn't keep track of what I got specifically, but I would say that I had a very good run this time. I ended up with the apex horse in a random draw, and 2 pets and a bunch of costumes and the polymorph thingy. I ended up with enough crown gems from duplicates or sale-fodder that I also ended up getting the doom wolf mount that I'd missed last year, and the moth priest costume as well. And all this off of about 40 crown gems I had beforehand and a 15 box expenditure. I was lucky. Last season it had taken probably 45 crates all total, spread out across 2 months, to get the gems for an apex mount, but, in addition, I ended up with 3 other mounts, 2 of which I rather like, a bunch of costumes, a few pets, and a couple of style items. I'm not unhappy with my returns. I knew it was random, that I could do very well, or very poorly, and, so far, I'm not disappointed.

Alassirana

ADarklore

Sadly, too many people are trying to 'protect the future of the game' based upon what they want the game to be... and perhaps nostalgia from what MMOs 'used to be'. But in reality, this is how most MMOs are going, which means current and future MMOs will contain this exact same formula... so if you don't like it, then plan on not playing anymore newer MMOs, since this is the direction and formula most seem to be employing. The fact is, they've learned that while they have vocal critics, their game data shows differently and many people ARE willing to spend real money on frivolous things like Crown Crates, mounts, costumes, assistants, etc.

Balamoor

You know I have no issue with speaking out, I have on many occasions, and that's not what I addressed. I was talking about the nonconstructive nature of most of these post, and the inevitable insults and snark that goes with it. It seems to be a very current thing to do, if you disagree with something insult snark and stamp your feet until you get your way.

The crates aren't going anywhere, they are making the company piles of money and for every Social Justice Warrior that complains ten are handing over their Debit cards. I sub and use my crowns for a few crates when the mood strikes me. One of my friends in my guild actually got a tell in game telling her to kill herself because she was riding a crown mount.

Your camp isn't doing itself any favors other than being roundly despised and ignored on the forums. You are not going to effect change this way, you are being jerks for the sake of jerkiness.

During my time with Turbine way back in the Microsoft days, you guys would have not only been banned from the forums just for having non constructive signatures, you would have been banned from the game for the incessant kicking of the dead horse. I'm not saying that should happen here, I'm just saying you're lucky ZoS is as tolerant as they are.

I know nothing I'm saying is going to change the trolling, I guess after a period of time you will get bored and move on to the next forum where you will do the same thing or you will land on most regular forum posters ignore list.

MadLarkin wrote: »

Balamoor wrote: »

I just don't get the crown crate rage....

If you don't like it don't buy, no one is holding a gun to your head. I'm personally amazed that ZoS is as tolerant as they are about these non constructive rage posts, that lend nothing to the conversation other than snarkyness and epeen wars.

It reinforces what I have said all along...this game has an amazing in game community and a very toxic General forum.

The optional nature of the crates isn't the issue. For many, it never was. Its the scummy nature of the practice itself. It is a system designed from the ground up to lock the most alluring cosmetics behind horrendous RNG in order to make people pay way more for their desired item than they would have if it was being sold in the store directly. That is why these gambling crates (in any game) exist, and time after time we have seen these types of maneuvers shift the focus of a game's developers from delivering meaningful content to shoving as many new shinies in the crates as possible because the company makes enough money from them that nothing else matters.

We are speaking out against this BECAUSE the game is great and we are slowly watching that change. How a company treats its customers determines whether or not they get more of my money or if I continue to play their game. Call it what you like, its just how I operate. ESO was going to be my next huge game investment for the wife and I. Crown crates, the dodgy nature of changing the ESO+ language in order to charge for the next "chapter," the lame copy/paste housing system, and the increasing amount of items going into the crown store, along with game mechanics being implemented to push people towards it, have all basically killed my enthusiasm. At this point I'm just hoping they turn it around before they mutate it into yet another dead MMO that gets no real new content and just shovels a new set of gambling crates out to the whales every month. Look around. There's no shortage of MMO's that have ended up that way.

MadLarkin

ADarklore wrote: »

Sadly, too many people are trying to 'protect the future of the game' based upon what they want the game to be... and perhaps nostalgia from what MMOs 'used to be'. But in reality, this is how most MMOs are going, which means current and future MMOs will contain this exact same formula... so if you don't like it, then plan on not playing anymore newer MMOs, since this is the direction and formula most seem to be employing. The fact is, they've learned that while they have vocal critics, their game data shows differently and many people ARE willing to spend real money on frivolous things like Crown Crates, mounts, costumes, assistants, etc.

How many MMO's are you aware of that are buy to play, have paid DLC packs, a subscription, paid expansions, an expansive and expensive storefront, AND gambling crates? If that's the direction MMO's are going, then someone somewhere needs to cool it with the expensive PR campaigns and flashy CG trailers.

What's funny is that, yes, similar pricing models exist, with the gambling crates and store fronts. But those games are mostly free to play, and give players access to all of their content off the bat. ZOS is trying to have their financial cake and eat it too.

Thealteregoroman

Dragonking06

Kind of disappointed to see the Black Panther Senche mount in the crate. What's worse is (unless I've missed something in the last couple of months, please correct me if I'm wrong.) I haven't seen ANY of the previous limited time mounts make an appearance in the crown store since the launch of the Atro-Crates.

Now I'm not hating on Crates, or any that do buy them. In fact as far as chance boxes go, these ones are one of the most forgiving I've seen. (I.E. The collection of gems to get what you really want, albeit after potentially many, many, many box openings... But I digress.) I have bother Panther Senche mounts, but some of my friends who only started playing after the release of these limited mounts really want to get them, but don't want to go through endless crates just for a small chance/until they have enough gems, for it. They'd rather just charge the crowns, buy the mounts and be done with it.

So @ZOS_GinaBruno, are there going to be any more limited time sales for some of these older mounts, or is this going to be the new gimmick for anyone who wants one?

Kevin_of_Devinshire

The hilarious things is ppl are going to spend hundreds on these crates and in a year or so ZOS will release the items for a limited time purchase with crowns.

Balamoor

MadLarkin wrote: »

How many MMO's are you aware of that are buy to play, have paid DLC packs, a subscription, paid expansions, an expansive and expensive storefront, AND gambling crates? If that's the direction MMO's are going, then someone somewhere needs to cool it with the expensive PR campaigns and flashy CG trailers.

What's funny is that, yes, similar pricing models exist, with the gambling crates and store fronts. But those games are mostly free to play, and give players access to all of their content off the bat. ZOS is trying to have their financial cake and eat it too.

So what? Again, you are not being forced, there is nothing being purchased in the crates that gates you in the game. I can't stop Billybob from buying crown crates just like I can't stop Old man Jenkins from blowing his Social Security check on Lottery tickets, it's non of my business. The problem currently is everyone wants to mold society the way they deem fit. If anyone had real problems with this they would take it up with the FTC, I have a feeling that has happen'd already they didn't get their way that way, so it's a no justice no peace ranting tactics on the forums.

And before you tell me if I don't like it put you on ignore, that's what's happening, but I think also ZoS tolerance for these tantrums are going to reach their limit and some of you will be shouting your opinions from a third party fan site.

makeyurself

I only want two things, moth priest robes (which I got covered with gems) and the apex wolf mount. Don't think I'll be gambling this time around though, learned my lesson with the previous bunch.

ZOS_JohanaB

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Thealteregoroman

Kevin_of_Devinshire wrote: »

The hilarious things is ppl are going to spend hundreds on these crates and in a year or so ZOS will release the items for a limited time purchase with crowns.

doubt it, if that happens peeps will prob stop buying crates and wait for that "limited time"

Psychodellix

I so hope that for Morrowwind they have Clockwork Mounts....PLEASE!!!!!!!

PlaceboSoul

Balamoor wrote: »

You know I have no issue with speaking out, I have on many occasions, and that's not what I addressed. I was talking about the nonconstructive nature of most of these post, and the inevitable insults and snark that goes with it. It seems to be a very current thing to do, if you disagree with something insult snark and stamp your feet until you get your way.

The crates aren't going anywhere, they are making the company piles of money and for every Social Justice Warrior that complains ten are handing over their Debit cards. I sub and use my crowns for a few crates when the mood strikes me. One of my friends in my guild actually got a tell in game telling her to kill herself because she was riding a crown mount.

Your camp isn't doing itself any favors other than being roundly despised and ignored on the forums. You are not going to effect change this way, you are being jerks for the sake of jerkiness.

During my time with Turbine way back in the Microsoft days, you guys would have not only been banned from the forums just for having non constructive signatures, you would have been banned from the game for the incessant kicking of the dead horse. I'm not saying that should happen here, I'm just saying you're lucky ZoS is as tolerant as they are.

I know nothing I'm saying is going to change the trolling, I guess after a period of time you will get bored and move on to the next forum where you will do the same thing or you will land on most regular forum posters ignore list.

MadLarkin wrote: »

Balamoor wrote: »

I just don't get the crown crate rage....

If you don't like it don't buy, no one is holding a gun to your head. I'm personally amazed that ZoS is as tolerant as they are about these non constructive rage posts, that lend nothing to the conversation other than snarkyness and epeen wars.

It reinforces what I have said all along...this game has an amazing in game community and a very toxic General forum.

The optional nature of the crates isn't the issue. For many, it never was. Its the scummy nature of the practice itself. It is a system designed from the ground up to lock the most alluring cosmetics behind horrendous RNG in order to make people pay way more for their desired item than they would have if it was being sold in the store directly. That is why these gambling crates (in any game) exist, and time after time we have seen these types of maneuvers shift the focus of a game's developers from delivering meaningful content to shoving as many new shinies in the crates as possible because the company makes enough money from them that nothing else matters.

We are speaking out against this BECAUSE the game is great and we are slowly watching that change. How a company treats its customers determines whether or not they get more of my money or if I continue to play their game. Call it what you like, its just how I operate. ESO was going to be my next huge game investment for the wife and I. Crown crates, the dodgy nature of changing the ESO+ language in order to charge for the next "chapter," the lame copy/paste housing system, and the increasing amount of items going into the crown store, along with game mechanics being implemented to push people towards it, have all basically killed my enthusiasm. At this point I'm just hoping they turn it around before they mutate it into yet another dead MMO that gets no real new content and just shovels a new set of gambling crates out to the whales every month. Look around. There's no shortage of MMO's that have ended up that way.

So having a negative opinion of the crown store makes me somehow a lesser person? Somehow I'm immature and stamp my feet like a child because I don't like something? You are the problem with society nowadays, when [SNIp] a corporation does something people don't like, it's other people like you that try to shut them down and tell them they are immature.

Also, I'm not in any camp, I'm an individual with an individual's opinion. If enough people share my opinion to call it a "camp" I guess maybe my opinion isn't as unpopular as some on here would want to believe.

Standing up and making complaint against something you don't agree with isn't immature, or some fringe crazy rant. Standing up for your beliefs and opinions is what founded the entirety of the peak of civilization today.

So I believe the crown store will lead to an eventual end of this game, there are dozens of examples I could cite to support this. It doesn't make me immature, I'm not stomping my feet like a six year old. I'm speaking out to be heard, and that's my right, you can't censor me.

I didn't send any hate message to your friend, I'm sorry that happened, but you can't lump that in and pretend it's the way all of us feel that don't agree with the crown crates. That was one person, and it wasn't me.

Anyway, I'm done arguing this, there is no point, [SNIp], some people will never see reason. It's a simple concept, if the crown crates, or whole store for that matter failed, ZOS wouldn't have any choice other than trying something else, like full on sub. Can't anyone supporting these crates see how spending $20 per month and having EVERYTHING in game is better than spending hundreds of dollars in a fake store to get just a chance at something you want? Something that would be in the game free under the sub model.

Yes, the crates won't be going anywhere as long as ZOS sees the profits. That's the whole problem. I can't be bothered to try to explain it anymore.

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Balamoor

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

Nice congratz

Jurand80

mounts look amazing. thank god they are in the crates. more money for drugs.

Schwa83b14_ESO

Opened 12 wild hunt crates today. Bought 4 with my ESO+ Stipend, and bought 3,000 crowns for the other 8 crates. Out of everything, I ended up with an Apex Mount, the black Senche cat mount, 3 non-combat pets, a couple hats, a couple face markings, pots, a riding skill up, a carry skill up, some crown crafting stones, and a few duplicates. Overall, I'm not disappointed. I kept what I liked, and gained 58 additional gems to store for later.

Balamoor

Schwa83b14_ESO wrote: »

Opened 12 wild hunt crates today. Bought 4 with my ESO+ Stipend, and bought 3,000 crowns for the other 8 crates. Out of everything, I ended up with an Apex Mount, the black Senche cat mount, 3 non-combat pets, a couple hats, a couple face markings, pots, a riding skill up, a carry skill up, some crown crafting stones, and a few duplicates. Overall, I'm not disappointed. I kept what I liked, and gained 58 additional gems to store for later.

Yep drop rates on the mounts seem decent Three people in my guild have received mounts, with under 15 crates.