each new patch removes shoulder set motif' that was previous drop location

Gilvoth

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Asmael

...Or set Azura Star as Home campaign and let those who like CPs have their own.

Gilvoth

Asmael wrote: »

...Or set Azura Star as Home campaign and let those who like CPs have their own.

thats not what was said. i did not make that the request.
if your having trouble with what i said then we can discuss it here openly and civil.

Iyas

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Asmael wrote: »

...Or set Azura Star as Home campaign and let those who like CPs have their own.

thats not what was said. i did not make that the request.
if your having trouble with what i said then we can discuss it here openly and civil.

Your answer makes no sense at all

Gilvoth

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driosketch

Asmael wrote: »

...Or set Azura Star as Home campaign and let those who like CPs have their own.

Right, A.S. is a thing. You could have had this the whole time, and with less lag too apparently.

Asmael

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Asmael wrote: »

...Or set Azura Star as Home campaign and let those who like CPs have their own.

thats not what was said. i did not make that the request.
if your having trouble with what i said then we can discuss it here openly and civil.

That's not what your title says:

i love the new [NO CP] in all campaigns [please keep it this way]

Gilvoth

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Iyas

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

when that option was available, no one was in the [NO CP] campaign, there was no population.
i never saw people in there.
right now tho, there is a population in true flame that is realistic and actual pvp taking place, im asking it be kept that way.

No thanks.

NightbladeMechanics

Azura's PC NA has been very popular. Hasn't it had one of the largest active forum threads for a long time now too?

RinaldoGandolphi

Honestly, from a balance perspective this would probably be the best thing to happen(simply because no one has unlimited sustain, insane damage, insane healing, or insane tankiness on No-CP without making HUGE sacrifices elsewhere) and the classes themselves without CP 1v1 and 2v2 seem pretty close to being balanced.

BUT

I don't see them outright removing CP from PVP anytime soon. Not before they try other things and exhaust all other methods available to them.As they have invested a lot of time and resources into the CP system and they won't just throw it away unless they simply have no other options.

They really need to reduce a lot of the percentage bonuses though, they are way too large, but that's a conversation for another day and thead.

Katahdin

I don't think CP should be eliminated completely, but there are some things that should be tweeked definitely.

My experience the last two days without CP have been mixed.

My character is a stam DK. The first day, I had major resource issues with max stam of 22K. I was 5 pc wearing flame and 4 pc fury armor with 2 grothdarr for 6 heavy and 1 medium. I had all stam runes and all 64 points in stam. I had 27 K health.

I switched flame to black rose and replaced 2 stam enchants to health so I had 25 K health and 25 K stam. Resource regen was much better due to the heavy armor passive. I had 5 pc black rose, 5 pc fury when switching bars, and 2 pc grothdarr.

Both days I felt my character was extremely squishy in 6pc heavy armor. I cant imagine what medium and light armor would be. I also felt like I hit like a wet noodle. Hardly any damage at all despite 25K stam. My group felt similar with DPS. Our healers were also having resource issues in fights, after losing so much magicka.

Seige is more meaningful without CP and feels right there.

I do feel heavy armor was too OP with CP, but it's not meaningful enough without. Also shields are not as powerful without CP, but may also be a bit weak.

Root, talons, snares lasts for days, break free doesn't work reliably and is completely stupid.

Eye of the storm and it's other morp are still wwwaaaayyy too powerful.

Without CP, build customization is a bit thrown out the window. I would suggest limiting the amount of usable CP and allowing CP to be used for some flat rate changes to certain things. Such as flate numerical increases to damage or decreases to skill costs rather than percentages that need to be calculated.

Or if it is decided to eliminate CP, add some asjustments to different things via battle spirt so that it only impacts pvp and not pve.

Pretty much everyone in my group will not be happy if CP is eliminated completely but could possibly deal with some necessary adjustments to make the issues happening with full CP better.

Katahdin

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

when that option was available, no one was in the [NO CP] campaign, there was no population.
i never saw people in there..

What does that tell you?

Non CP was not popular.

Don't know where you're playing, but the NA PC Azura does have population lately, just not as high as TF.

I agree that CP passives need some adjustment because some things went too far.
I am against taking away choice in how people want to play.

GilGalad

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i love how pvp is now during fights, and it seems more realistic and Balanced.
i am asking that it is kept this way perminantly.

when the option was available to have a non cp campaign, no one was in it. (the [NO CP] campaign) there was no population.
i never saw people in there.
right now tho, there is a population in true flame that is realistic and actual pvp taking place, im asking it be kept that way.

That's a really complicated way to say:
I enjoy no CP PVP and I hope that the population on the no CP campaign stays as high as it is at the moment.

Also your title is misleading.

ArgonianAustin

Heck no I hate the no cp. I'm a butter ball and my sustain is horrible even with 2k+ recovery, its harder to 1vx and those low level players with 30-40k HP are now tanks, this game would suck if my hard earned cp was gone in my favorite part of ESO PvP.

Rickter

Would it make people happy if the campaigns were reversed in that all campaigns had no CP and 1 did?

idk guys there just isnt that many campaigns left. Trueflame and Haderus, then no cp Azuras and then Blackwater Blade.

If they made it just TF and AS.. . ugh. whatever.

Publius_Scipio

Yeah I like it a lot. And as far as the test goes, I am honestly not lagging in any noticeable way in large keep battles. And I don't have some mega internet package nor does my router and modem eat Greek yogurt.

Even after this week, and things go back to the usual, if Azura's is packed I hope they open a second no cp campaign.

Lord_Draevan

While the lag seems to have gone down a bit, load screens seem to have gotten much worse.

DHale

You can and have the ability to play on no cp for a long time now. You play how you want and let me play how I want.

The_Duke

I havent had a chance to try it out yet (got an eye infection the day it dropped) but Ill be trying tonight. I always run no sustain on my stamplar so I dont see how it will make much of a difference to me. The offensive CPs are countered by the defensive CPs so thats basically a wash.

From what Ive read shields and healing seem to be more in line. No one should be indestructible and in theory mistakes should be exploitable. Obviously Ill see for myself tonight.

I hope we see more people playing Azuras after this on PS4 NA.

Publius_Scipio

The_Duke wrote: »

I havent had a chance to try it out yet (got an eye infection the day it dropped) but Ill be trying tonight. I always run no sustain on my stamplar so I dont see how it will make much of a difference to me. The offensive CPs are countered by the defensive CPs so thats basically a wash.

From what Ive read shields and healing seem to be more in line. No one should be indestructible and in theory mistakes should be exploitable. Obviously Ill see for myself tonight.

I hope we see more people playing Azuras after this on PS4 NA.

With no cp even those with the best setups don't have it easy fighting two endgame average to above average players. The game isn't handing them the resources for that. Whereas of course with CP some players could stand there and get beat on by 5+ people and live.

Sureshawt

They need to leave an option for players that like CP.

After experiencing TF without CP I recently homed to Azura even though I'm CP capped. The experience overall is better and you realize just how badly the CP system unbalances the game.

However, some players value 'progression' regardless of its impact on game play and so they should have a choice as well.

By the way Azura Star is highly populated for NA and I expect it will be grow even more after this non-CP experiment ends on TF.

Derra

Why do you want to force the majority of people to play in a way they don´t enjoy (they voted by campaign choice).

Azura was the primary campaign for EU before they nonCP switch. People left it because they don´t want to play without CP.

Kartalin

Derra wrote: »

Why do you want to force the majority of people to play in a way they don´t enjoy (they voted by campaign choice).

What has happened is that some people have realized that maybe Azura's was what they wanted all along. They didn't vote by campaign choice, they followed the crowds and assumed that they would enjoy having their CP more. I understand that not everyone is ready to give up their CP for PVP. If Azura's gets a lot more population as a result we could perhaps change Haderus to no CP and leave TF for the CPers.

NightbladeMechanics

The_Duke wrote: »

I havent had a chance to try it out yet (got an eye infection the day it dropped) but Ill be trying tonight. I always run no sustain on my stamplar so I dont see how it will make much of a difference to me. The offensive CPs are countered by the defensive CPs so thats basically a wash.

From what Ive read shields and healing seem to be more in line. No one should be indestructible and in theory mistakes should be exploitable. Obviously Ill see for myself tonight.

I hope we see more people playing Azuras after this on PS4 NA.

You'll miss that cost reduction and extra stam from heavy attacking.

NBrookus

Kartalin wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Why do you want to force the majority of people to play in a way they don´t enjoy (they voted by campaign choice).

What has happened is that some people have realized that maybe Azura's was what they wanted all along. They didn't vote by campaign choice, they followed the crowds and assumed that they would enjoy having their CP more. I understand that not everyone is ready to give up their CP for PVP. If Azura's gets a lot more population as a result we could perhaps change Haderus to no CP and leave TF for the CPers.

Yup. A lot of Azura's players are smirking and thinking "I told you so." No-CP is not really balanced either; it's just different. Some people find it more fun.

As for Haderus going no CP, I'm not so sure about that. That would mean only one CP campaign on PC NA and 3 non-CP, and nowhere to go to get away from the massive zergs. Azuras is pretty damn zergy anymore.

Now if Azura's suddenly gets consistently poplocked with a queue on weeknights, maybe the demand is there, but I'm not sure the revolution will be that big.

Kartalin

NBrookus wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Why do you want to force the majority of people to play in a way they don´t enjoy (they voted by campaign choice).

What has happened is that some people have realized that maybe Azura's was what they wanted all along. They didn't vote by campaign choice, they followed the crowds and assumed that they would enjoy having their CP more. I understand that not everyone is ready to give up their CP for PVP. If Azura's gets a lot more population as a result we could perhaps change Haderus to no CP and leave TF for the CPers.

Now if Azura's suddenly gets consistently poplocked with a queue on weeknights, maybe the demand is there, but I'm not sure the revolution will be that big.

Right. It's nice to see some converts but next week we will see the true impact.

Gilvoth

Derra wrote: »

Why do you want to force the majority of people to play in a way they don´t enjoy (they voted by campaign choice).

Azura was the primary campaign for EU before they nonCP switch. People left it because they don´t want to play without CP.

because it will eliminate the exploiters.
it will balance pvp.
it will remove the chance for people to be cheating the system.

Gilvoth

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The_Duke

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

The_Duke wrote: »

I havent had a chance to try it out yet (got an eye infection the day it dropped) but Ill be trying tonight. I always run no sustain on my stamplar so I dont see how it will make much of a difference to me. The offensive CPs are countered by the defensive CPs so thats basically a wash.

From what Ive read shields and healing seem to be more in line. No one should be indestructible and in theory mistakes should be exploitable. Obviously Ill see for myself tonight.

I hope we see more people playing Azuras after this on PS4 NA.

You'll miss that cost reduction and extra stam from heavy attacking.

I only put 10% into cost reduction I can wear 5 marksman if I feel like I need more sustain. As for heavy attack return I dont put much if any into tenacity. Im sure Ill feel the difference but I don't see myself being impaired as much as other players that are used to high regen and high burst in one build.

Thelon

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Why do you want to force the majority of people to play in a way they don´t enjoy (they voted by campaign choice).

Azura was the primary campaign for EU before they nonCP switch. People left it because they don´t want to play without CP.

because it will eliminate the exploiters.
it will balance pvp.
it will remove the chance for people to be cheating the system.