What will it take?

kongkim · February 2017

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

WhiteMage wrote: »

There are plenty of ethically questionable practices out that that are profitable; the "if I ignore it, it will go away" mindset can't solve all your problems. There have been many atrocities that turning a blind eye to did not stop.

Simply put, I think I agree with this opinion the most. I understand where zos headed and I don't think I can continue to support this structure. I'm not saying that lil ole me is holding the fort, but the time is coming to abandon the "sinking ship" in my experience.

It's great to see others opinion on the matter. I'm not here to cast judgement on people's own experience, but it's good to know the communitie's opinion.

Can't really see the sinking skip here?
All other MMO game out there also have a lot pf problems if you go on their forum. ESO is in no way worse then others. Maybe not the same problems. But the forums always find the negative thing instead of focusing on the good parts of the game and enjoy it.

Unsent.Soul · February 2017

kongkim wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

WhiteMage wrote: »

There are plenty of ethically questionable practices out that that are profitable; the "if I ignore it, it will go away" mindset can't solve all your problems. There have been many atrocities that turning a blind eye to did not stop.

Simply put, I think I agree with this opinion the most. I understand where zos headed and I don't think I can continue to support this structure. I'm not saying that lil ole me is holding the fort, but the time is coming to abandon the "sinking ship" in my experience.

It's great to see others opinion on the matter. I'm not here to cast judgement on people's own experience, but it's good to know the communitie's opinion.

Can't really see the sinking skip here?
All other MMO game out there also have a lot pf problems if you go on their forum. ESO is in no way worse then others. Maybe not the same problems. But the forums always find the negative thing instead of focusing on the good parts of the game and enjoy it.

The "in my experience" part means that the "sinking ship" is of my own opinion. The ship is sinking for ME. I wasn't painting a picture that every ESO member feels.

failkiwib16_ESO · February 2017

Morrowind Expansion might actually kick me off, just might.... I've payed sub almost every month since pre-release of the game, and the last 9 months this is what ZOS have offered me of content for my subscription:

2 annoying dungeons
structure-change of game
gambling
houses that are useless for anything but small-scale roleplay and duelling

Vaoh · February 2017

I don't think I ever will leave. ESO is amazing, despite the many flaws mainly with performance.

Breaks from the game are to be extended, but I have no plans to totally quit.

Oyaban_Kyuubi · February 2017

I will also be one of those people that will stick around till the games servers close.

Honestly this is the first MMO since a great old gem (that probably no one remembers or knows about) called Kitsu saga that has held my interest for more than a week at best. Yes this game has issues every mmo has issues. WoW has issues. Star Trek online has issues. SWTOR has issues. Dungeons and dragons online has issues.

To be honest when you play a game you should play it to have fun. If you aren't having fun then that game isn't for you. Yes the game has cash grabs. Yes at times there are things that you would like that are locked behind a money wall. And yes maybe just maybe those things might enhance your game play or give you a unfair advantage.

When it comes down to it Cosmetics Serve only 2 purposes. 1: To change your characters look to be pleasing to your eyes. 2: if you are a vampire the cosmetics allow you to hide your vampirism.

Out of those two things only 1 has any real impact on the actual game. You might lose a time or two because the vampire that you didn't see caught you by surprise and you would have easily won with a fire setup. Its unfortunate but its a fact of playing a game. At least these Cosmetics don't add stats. Unlike other MMOs where their cosmetics have a in game fighting value to them these are safely kept to just being good looks.

So until this game stops being fun for me or until the servers close I will be sticking around. If they add hundreds upon hundreds of things behind the pay wall it wont change my views. I don't PvP so how someone else looks doesn't really matter to me. One day I might dip my toes inside the pvp scene but I don't see a need for it right now. And if i do dip my toes in and i lose horribly again and again and again oh well its just a game.

Hopefully this game does live a long life and hopefully Zenimax decides at one point that they want to change their system and remove some stuff from behind the cash wall. If they do great. If they don't it doesn't much matter a company has to make money and this is how they chose to do it. Wither or not they promise things or didn't promise things is not my concern either. I personally don't ask for much the only thing I have ever asked for is a maid outfit and I left that to a poll of the users not just Zenimax. From the results of that poll I seem to be the oddity and not the norm.

That's my two cents on things. Agree or disagree all you want I'm here for the long haul.

andreasv · February 2017

kongkim wrote: »

andreasv wrote: »

Radinyn wrote: »

andreasv wrote: »

Radinyn wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

I've left the game for extended periods more than once already. First time was when they went from a subscription to a f2p model on pc. I've played more than a few games that did the same and it always ends up being a disappointment - and always a cash grab via microtransaction too.

Notice how this far into the game we still only have 4 basic mounts available without dumping extra cash into it? Notice how we went from motif books, to motif pages, to page fragments in order to "persuade" people into buying the motifs from the cash shop instead? Notice how we went from items on the crown store being sold at face value to a gambling system with crates that only have a very small chance to give you what you're after? All of these things are the result of the f2p change and I promise you it will continue getting worse and worse in that regard.

I came back to the game when consoles released eso and I was able to transfer my account from pc to ps4. Console opened the game to more of my family and friends who didn't have pcs that could run it.
That lasted a while until zos pushed me away again with more of the crown store shenanigans (this time it was going from those motif pages to page fragments, absolutely ridiculous).

I hopped back in around thieves guild and realized nothing had really changed, so I was gone for another year or so.

Morrowind's announcement, along with the fact that they're finally adding the warden class that I've been asking for since before pc launch, brought me back again a few weeks ago. I've bitten the bullet and started grinding champion points, gold, and materials to prepare for the Warden which will be my new main.

We'll see how long I stick around this time.

Look, as I told before, why for you cosmetics is money grab or p2w? It only changes characters look!!!

Can you point out where pay to win was mentioned in the previous post? I'm not sure you actually know what it means and I can't remember that many posts complaining about it.

P2W means Pay 2 Win it wasn't mentioned in this thread but it many other treads on this forum. Read my previous post.

I did read your post, that's why I'm asking where it was mentioned. Duh!

And to answer your "money grab" in cosmetics question. Are you happy paying some 10k crowns for assets that are in the game from launch? Housing is the biggest money grab so far, besides those p!$$ poor hero costumes. Nothing in the crown store is pay to win in any way shape or form. But it certainly is a means of getting easy money with putting in as little effort as possible.

Edited for swearing!

Ehm the CS is there to make money.. its a business ofc. they grab your money. If you don't like it don't buy it. Some people might like what there is, and feel it worth it.

Don't really get way some people find the CS and prices so "Evil" There is a lot of stuff in the real world that is like that. And if there a no buyers it go aways again

@kongkim I totally understand that they have to make money in some way. And I can't see where I questioned that in my previous post. I am more than happy to spend money on a game. I've just bought a costume in BDO for around £25. And I did it because I can see the effort that went into creating the content.

What I'm not happy with (and I'm sure a few other players as well) is the lazy attempt of creating crown store products. Houses as well as mounts are nothing but copy and paste assets.
Imagine those new houses would have a new layout and nothing that's already been visited hundreds of times. I'm sure considerably less people would complain.

And yes, I am not spending any money when I can buy with in-game gold. But . . you know . . that grind that makes real money look a slightly better option is kind of annoying and may be the reason people say it's "evil".

Ep1kMalware · February 2017

I'm easy to please.

Too many nerfs with no buffs is a headache. But what makes me move on is bad lag. I'll play bf4 and occasionally check and see if eso is playable again. XD

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skiptomyluau · February 2017

I'm already gradually playing less and less. Not worth the frustration.

Inhuman003 · February 2017

If ZoS do pay to win that'll be the day I leave

theher0not · February 2017

A few things that might push me me away would be: greey use of crownstore (like Crown Crates, I am fine with them selling cosmetics, but not locked behind RNG, or extremely high prices) or the game going P2W.

Other than that I will only quit if I grow bored of the game or there comes another game I enjoy playing more, but if that happen I might come back.

(This is just my oppin, if you disagree that is fine, but this is how I feel)

Riga_Mortis · February 2017

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

Morrowind Expansion might actually kick me off, just might.... I've payed sub almost every month since pre-release of the game, and the last 9 months this is what ZOS have offered me of content for my subscription:
2 annoying dungeons

structure-change of game

gambling

houses that are useless for anything but small-scale roleplay and duelling

This is exactly how I feel, Morrowind is definately the last chance saloon if I stick around.

Tandor · February 2017

I can't imagine the circumstances in which I would leave the game, I've been playing since PC launch and don't have any issues with it.

I don't PvP, do PvE competitively, or use addons and have never had any performance issues. I still pay a sub with little or no use of the Crown Store. I have no interest in Crown Crates so I don't buy any. I'd like to see the trading system opened up to all players but that aside I'm struggling to think of anything to complain about.

I enjoy the game enormously, it's my main MMO home these days although I still play various other games and so keep ESO fresh. You only have to look at the number of people happily running around doing stuff in-game to realise that the depressing negativity commonly found on the forum is not at all representative of players in general.

Unsent.Soul · February 2017

Interesting responses. Thanks for keeping it civil. I've taken a 6 month break before and did come back. Like others have mentioned breaks help a lot.

Gilvoth · February 2017

ESO is the best mmo i have ever played because it hints at morrowind and Vvardenfell [in LOOKS]
and for that i have no reason to leave.
this subject should not be entertained nor brought to peoples minds and concentrated on.
only leads to borrowed trouble and problems to focus on this subject.

Annalyse · February 2017

I doubt I will ever leave ESO permanently until it is shut down, but I take occasional breaks when a decent single-player game comes along.

That said, the more bored I get the more breaks I will take, and things are moving down that path currently. Lately I mostly find myself logging in to do writs and keep my guild store listings full, then I get bored and play something else. The last exciting bit of content we had was Orsinium (Thieves Guild and Brotherhood were easily completed in a day, and I found the grindy method of having to do dailies to increase the skill line in order to complete the main quest a turn-off) and there are only so many times you can run through the whole thing again with a new alt before it gets to feel pretty stale. I was pretty upset about Morrowind being a full game price, as I likely won't be able to afford that for quite some time but had saved up crowns for a DLC, so I guess it really depends on if they release anything half decent as a DLC following that. If all content from now on that isn't a paid expansion is going to be just dungeons or a tiny zone with a couple of grindy quests, I will definitely be taking a lot of breaks to play other things.

Unsent.Soul · February 2017

Annalyse wrote: »

I doubt I will ever leave ESO permanently until it is shut down, but I take occasional breaks when a decent single-player game comes along.

That said, the more bored I get the more breaks I will take, and things are moving down that path currently. Lately I mostly find myself logging in to do writs and keep my guild store listings full, then I get bored and play something else. The last exciting bit of content we had was Orsinium (Thieves Guild and Brotherhood were easily completed in a day, and I found the grindy method of having to do dailies to increase the skill line in order to complete the main quest a turn-off) and there are only so many times you can run through the whole thing again with a new alt before it gets to feel pretty stale. I was pretty upset about Morrowind being a full game price, as I likely won't be able to afford that for quite some time but had saved up crowns for a DLC, so I guess it really depends on if they release anything half decent as a DLC following that. If all content from now on that isn't a paid expansion is going to be just dungeons or a tiny zone with a couple of grindy quests, I will definitely be taking a lot of breaks to play other things.

I could agree with that. When I was logging on it was basically to do writs on 5-6 characters, stock up the guild stores, then I would aimlessly wonder around. Haven't even bothered with TG and DB was decent at first but like you said, it's a daily grind to progress.

I would do it for a week or two, but the small amount of content DB offered didn't keep me involved for a long time. Doing DB on other characters became a chore and was mind numbing.

I would change it up and gear out or evolve other characters but that's a whole new grind. Dolmens and delve farming became the norm and it brought out the greedy side of players so they could sell the items at a rather steep price, I'm looking at you sharp spinner swords lol.

A new class does seem rather fun but then thinking about doing everything all over snuffs out that little light pretty quick.

This game will continue, its player base is large and scales across 3 platforms. Games like this always have that "revolving door" aspect.

jedtb16_ESO · February 2017

LadyLavina wrote: »

The servers shutting down

^this....

idk · February 2017

Why to people create quit threads like this. I do not care if you are leaving the game or about to leave the game.

If it is what you want to do, just to. Don't clutter up the forums with ignorance.

sadownik · February 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Why to people create quit threads like this. I do not care if you are leaving the game or about to leave the game.

If it is what you want to do, just to. Don't clutter up the forums with ignorance.

What ignorance? Could you explain?

idk · February 2017

sadownik wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Why to people create quit threads like this. I do not care if you are leaving the game or about to leave the game.

If it is what you want to do, just to. Don't clutter up the forums with ignorance.

What ignorance? Could you explain?

That we actually care that he is considering leaving the game. Just like every actual quit thread the forums pokes fun at the OP cause no one is interested.

sadownik · February 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Why to people create quit threads like this. I do not care if you are leaving the game or about to leave the game.

If it is what you want to do, just to. Don't clutter up the forums with ignorance.

What ignorance? Could you explain?

That we actually care that he is considering leaving the game. Just like every actual quit thread the forums pokes fun at the OP cause no one is interested.

Thanks now i get it but you are wrong i am for example interested in reasons.

Unsent.Soul · February 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Why to people create quit threads like this. I do not care if you are leaving the game or about to leave the game.

If it is what you want to do, just to. Don't clutter up the forums with ignorance.

What ignorance? Could you explain?

That we actually care that he is considering leaving the game. Just like every actual quit thread the forums pokes fun at the OP cause no one is interested.

When did I ask anyone to care? There have been several good posts and insight as to what keeps people playing. You probably read 1 or 2 posts then had to chime in thinking you were being cool.

Clearly the point of this thread went over your head, god forbid you actually post something constructive instead of proclaiming this thread is ignorant.

Also, you don't know what the meaning of ignorant is, just making yourself look foolish.

Unsent.Soul · February 2017

sadownik wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Why to people create quit threads like this. I do not care if you are leaving the game or about to leave the game.

If it is what you want to do, just to. Don't clutter up the forums with ignorance.

What ignorance? Could you explain?

That we actually care that he is considering leaving the game. Just like every actual quit thread the forums pokes fun at the OP cause no one is interested.

Thanks now i get it but you are wrong i am for example interested in reasons.

This.

MamaDruid · February 2017

When my computer can no longer play it or when the game ends; whichever comes first. The only cash I pay is a monthly subscription and I am happy with its benefits.

Zardayne · February 2017

The warden class would have to suck. I'm not talking about the class needing to be OP either. I'm saying the skills have to look and sound exciting, good meaningful morphs, and ultimately get me as close to a fantasy druid (Either AD&D or DAOC) as possible.

disintegr8 · February 2017

I will l

Khenarthi wrote: »

Single-player TES 6...

This ^^.

If they ever bring out a new single player version of TES series, I'll be out of here quick smart. I can then go and do what I want to do, when I want to do it and how I want to do it without anyone else I do not know complaining about it.

Bouldercleave · February 2017

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Just curious, what will it take for players to uninstall and leave? What's your final "nail in the coffin?"

This isn't a goodbye thread mods, don't close this! All I've done is in sub and haven't played in 2 weeks.

When I no longer find entertainment value. It is a simple question with a simple answer.

There will be no "final nail in the coffin" because I don't dramatize life that way. If I'm entertained, I'll stay - if not, I'm off like a prom dress...

People always like to complicate and dramatize everything these days. There is really only one answer to the question.

idk · February 2017

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

sadownik wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Why to people create quit threads like this. I do not care if you are leaving the game or about to leave the game.

If it is what you want to do, just to. Don't clutter up the forums with ignorance.

What ignorance? Could you explain?

That we actually care that he is considering leaving the game. Just like every actual quit thread the forums pokes fun at the OP cause no one is interested.

When did I ask anyone to care? .

When you created this thread you asked that of everyone here. It would have had a completely different feel to it if you had not indicated you have recently stopped playing, 2 weeks ago.

Cadbury · February 2017

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

Just curious, what will it take for players to uninstall and leave? What's your final "nail in the coffin?"

This isn't a goodbye thread mods, don't close this! All I've done is in sub and haven't played in 2 weeks.

When I no longer find entertainment value. It is a simple question with a simple answer.

There will be no "final nail in the coffin" because I don't dramatize life that way. If I'm entertained, I'll stay - if not, I'm off like a prom dress...

People always like to complicate and dramatize everything these days. There is really only one answer to the question.

Well said, my friend