Morrowind: Slaves

Daimmyo

No, Morrowind will not have slaves that i can buy

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

You could buy slaves in the original Morrowind, this was pretty pointless as they just followed you around and attacked enemies with their hand while wearing rags so they died fast.

In Morrowind you had an option to buy slaves and then release them, so the were free. There was even a hidden oraginstion with quest line called "Twin Lamps" that goal was to free slaves.

As a "hidden quest" - which is something I did with each character.

Would be great to work on this piece of story a bit more.

wolfydog

There are already slave NPC's in the part of Morrowind we got in the game, plus a few quests revolving around some slave NPC's.

I'm sure Vvardenfell part of Morrowind will at least have some slave NPC's in the background, no idea if they will have more quests or not since.

srfrogg23

No, Morrowind will not have slaves that i can buy

No, probably not. It's an interesting "moral conundrum" in a single player game, being able to buy digital "slaves" to do your bidding and fight for you, but balancing combat in an MMO is a bit more precarious and MMOs tend to be a bit more prone to criticism from the general public.

I don't see Zenimax taking the risk that they'll be hounded after by a media infested by SJWs that can't wrap their heads around the concept that what people do in a fantasy setting is NOT applicable to their real life feelings about these sorts of moral situations.

AhPook_Is_Here

No, Morrowind will not have slaves that i can buy

All of these arguments about lore in future real Morrowind are fine and good; but we won't be in future morrowind we will be in the Shivering Isles version of Morrowind which incidentally, will be going through a renaissance of politically correct ideals targeted towards mores of a far more restrictive other-world culture called "western society". I'm sure Sheo's version of Vivec will be every bit the Thomas Jefferson we always wanted him to be, except without the wig. I never liked the wigs. I guess nobody really did and that's why they vanished!

MercTheMage

No, Morrowind will not have slaves that i can buy

Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

This is not about lore, more about wanting to fulfill some power fantasy. No thanks!

Yes. I forgot, ESO isn't about fantasy at all.
Chillax homegurl, no one wants to enslave you.
It's just a game.

MythicEmperor

Yes, Morrowind will let me have slaves

Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

This is not about lore, more about wanting to fulfill some power fantasy. No thanks!

No; it is about successfully roleplaying an established aspect of a race's culture.

Celas_Dranacea

No, Morrowind will not have slaves that i can buy

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

This is not about lore, more about wanting to fulfill some power fantasy. No thanks!

No; it is about successfully roleplaying an established aspect of a race's culture.

MercTheMage wrote: »

Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

This is not about lore, more about wanting to fulfill some power fantasy. No thanks!

Yes. I forgot, ESO isn't about fantasy at all.
Chillax homegurl, no one wants to enslave you.
It's just a game.

I'm a dude and personally I don't need ZOS wasting time on coding some "slave" feature for a small minority of people who are interested in some kinda slave-owner RP.

If ZOS wanted to improve ESO's RP value there's many other things they can do that would be more widely popular/useful than making it so you can own slaves.

Yes, Dunmer slavery is a part of the lore. No, expanding on slavery as some kinda feature for players to experience / participate in should not be a priority.

MythicEmperor

Yes, Morrowind will let me have slaves

Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

This is not about lore, more about wanting to fulfill some power fantasy. No thanks!

No; it is about successfully roleplaying an established aspect of a race's culture.

MercTheMage wrote: »

Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

This is not about lore, more about wanting to fulfill some power fantasy. No thanks!

Yes. I forgot, ESO isn't about fantasy at all.
Chillax homegurl, no one wants to enslave you.
It's just a game.

I'm a dude and personally I don't need ZOS wasting time on coding some "slave" feature for a small minority of people who are interested in some kinda slave-owner RP.

If ZOS wanted to improve ESO's RP value there's many other things they can do that would be more widely popular/useful than making it so you can own slaves.

Yes, Dunmer slavery is a part of the lore. No, expanding on slavery as some kinda feature for players to experience / participate in should not be a priority.

It wouldn't consume much time or energy. Just reskin an assistant and make it able to carry x amount of items. Problem solved. Heck, for those who don't want it, make it a reward for siding with slavers instead of abolitionists, so you won't get it unless you consciously decide that your character is pro-slavery.

Uriel_Nocturne

Yes, Morrowind will let me have slaves

By the Three, I hope so.

The dust is starting to get thick in the homestead, and the garden is overgrown... something needs to be done.

And where the hell is that lizard with my tea!?

AlMcFly

Yes, Morrowind will let me have slaves

I say YES, but hear me out.

I don't want slaves, and I don't condone slavery. When I'm in a videogame, I role-play the decent guy, as I want him to be a reflection of how I'd like to be in the real world.

HOWEVER, Elder Scrolls is "supposed" to be about CHOICE. Slavery exists in the Elder Scrolls universe during ESO time period. Anyone in Tamriel can become a slaver if they so incline. Allowing the playable character to become a slave is possible because it would be possible in the Elder Scrolls universe.

I don't think it's going to happen though. ZOS will not want to make headlines in the current political-activist happy social atmosphere.

Acrolas

No, Morrowind will not have slaves that i can buy

"Most or possibly all of Vvardenfell did not join the Ebonheart Pact, and thus slavery, especially of Argonians, is still in effect."
http://blog.uesp.net/index.php/2017/02/22/more-eso-morrowind-info

The implication being that the alliances abolished it and continue to forbid it even without Imperial counsel.

And there are no skill lines being added with Morrowind, other than Warden, so any thematic use of slavery in Morrowind is already confirmed to not have a global mechanic or system attached to it. So yes, slavery in a narrative context but not as anything designed for a player's amusement.

MercTheMage

No, Morrowind will not have slaves that i can buy

Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

This is not about lore, more about wanting to fulfill some power fantasy. No thanks!

No; it is about successfully roleplaying an established aspect of a race's culture.

MercTheMage wrote: »

Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

This is not about lore, more about wanting to fulfill some power fantasy. No thanks!

Yes. I forgot, ESO isn't about fantasy at all.
Chillax homegurl, no one wants to enslave you.
It's just a game.

I'm a dude and personally I don't need ZOS wasting time on coding some "slave" feature for a small minority of people who are interested in some kinda slave-owner RP.

If ZOS wanted to improve ESO's RP value there's many other things they can do that would be more widely popular/useful than making it so you can own slaves.

Yes, Dunmer slavery is a part of the lore. No, expanding on slavery as some kinda feature for players to experience / participate in should not be a priority.

I stand by what I said, calm thy self

Celas_Dranacea wrote: »

This is not about lore, more about wanting to fulfill some power fantasy. No thanks!

You mean like playing a game where you're an all powerful spellcaster or blade master who can kill absolutely anything?
Yeah, that's not about fulfilling some power fantasy at all. lel

[Edit to remove sexist remark.]

hmsdragonfly

Yes, Morrowind will let me have slaves

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

For crying out loud, what is this obsession with owning other people as property, like you would own a truck or sink? Threads like this come up a disturbing amount of times. Are these same people looking for player-based options to gas people in WWII games? Do they want options to run child sex rings in other games? Maybe it is just that true slavery is far enough in the past that we have managed to make it seem less shockingly evil and brutal than it truly was. But, really, asking to be an active participant in the slave market is equivalent to asking to be an active participant in genocide or child sex. It is one of the most vile behaviors human beings have ever devised and, while I support acknowledging it among NPCs in ESO:Morrowind, any game developer with a shred of human decency would never encourage or allow player characters to take part in the practice.

You do gas people in Battlefield 1, (WW1 shooter game), i think it's close enough.

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ArchMikem

No, Morrowind will not have slaves that i can buy

I don't even need to read the replies to know there's so many people in here complaining about ZOS not giving us Slaves to own so they can't live out their inner domination fantasies alongside the usual medieval ones.

There's another way to live out those kinds of fantasies though guys, it just involves you getting some leather straps and a safeword.

ShadowHvo

Yes, Morrowind will let me have slaves

Acrolas wrote: »

The implication being that the alliances abolished it and continue to forbid it even without Imperial counsel.

Remember that slavery in the Ebonheart Pact is only illegal against Pact races.

Breton, Orc, Redguard, Altmer (Though a bit frowned upon), Bosmer, Khajiit and Imperial are all still a free market, even within the Ebonheart Pact.

I personally would wish and hope that ESO: Morrowind will stay true to its roots and allow some form of pro-slavery action, rather than forcing the player to be a liberator of slaves, which I have a dreading fear that they will.

Being able to get that extra roleplay option of actually becoming a slave owner, or be the liberator of slaves would be super neet and interesting, and both options could end up with some very good rewards. Slave owners could get.. well, you guessed it, slave NPC assistants. While those that liberate them could get sweet loot in the form of housing, favors and maybe special quests from the slaves they free.

Adding options is the way to go, in my own personal opinion. Let the player themselves decide if their character is for, or against the act of slavery. Forcing us down one path is only really a shame.

srfrogg23

No, Morrowind will not have slaves that i can buy

ArchMikem wrote: »

I don't even need to read the replies to know there's so many people in here complaining about ZOS not giving us Slaves to own so they can't live out their inner domination fantasies alongside the usual medieval ones.

There's another way to live out those kinds of fantasies though guys, it just involves you getting some leather straps and a safeword.

I need you to explain this a little more. Please speak slowly and in great detail...

Aliyavana

Yes, Morrowind will let me have slaves

We should all own a few argonian slaves

MythicEmperor

Yes, Morrowind will let me have slaves

ArchMikem wrote: »

I don't even need to read the replies to know there's so many people in here complaining about ZOS not giving us Slaves to own so they can't live out their inner domination fantasies alongside the usual medieval ones.

There's another way to live out those kinds of fantasies though guys, it just involves you getting some leather straps and a safeword.

And becoming Emperor in PvP or running around with your Flawless title isn't acting out your power fantasies?

Gandrhulf_Harbard

No, Morrowind will not have slaves that i can buy

From an RP/Lore point of view, yes it should be there.

From a game PR / moral point of view no it shouldn't.

Which is why I expect you'll be able to "rent" slaves for 250 Crowns a Month via the Crown Store.

All The Best

Alpheu5

MythicEmperor wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

I don't even need to read the replies to know there's so many people in here complaining about ZOS not giving us Slaves to own so they can't live out their inner domination fantasies alongside the usual medieval ones.

There's another way to live out those kinds of fantasies though guys, it just involves you getting some leather straps and a safeword.

And becoming Emperor in PvP or running around with your Flawless title isn't acting out your power fantasies?

Fantasizing about leading a charge to victory of a territory or wearing a badge that signifies great obstacles overcome is not the same as fantasizing about owning a people and viewing them as property.

Uriel_Nocturne

Yes, Morrowind will let me have slaves

Alpheu5 wrote: »

MythicEmperor wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

I don't even need to read the replies to know there's so many people in here complaining about ZOS not giving us Slaves to own so they can't live out their inner domination fantasies alongside the usual medieval ones.

There's another way to live out those kinds of fantasies though guys, it just involves you getting some leather straps and a safeword.

And becoming Emperor in PvP or running around with your Flawless title isn't acting out your power fantasies?

Fantasizing about leading a charge to victory of a territory or wearing a badge that signifies great obstacles overcome is not the same as fantasizing about owning a people and viewing them as property.

But they aren't Mer... they're Argonians. They are less than Mer by their very nature, and far less than Dunmer. That's why we own them.

I don't see the issue. Everyone should own at least one or two of them.

It's all roleplaying according to the lore. And in that very same lore, it's not just the Dunmer who have slaves, FYI. I promise, nothing more than the feelings of oversensitive Forum-goers has been hurt by the Dunmeri slavery trade in any Elder Scrolls game. It's just a game, people need to back away from the big red phone that direct-dials the ACLU...

TheShadowScout

Enodoc wrote: »

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

To tie into lore, ONLY THE NPCS should have them, especially the Houses Redoran and Dres. For morality's sake, no player should be able to.

NPCs having slaves is already pretty much confirmed, I think.

NPCs already have slaves. In Stonefalls, and Deshaan... some just in the background, slaving in the fields or somesuch, others part of a quest... some just implied by the presence of slavecages in houses... Now, why would anyone expect that be any different once we go to Vvardenfell with Morrowind?

Of course, the discussion here is more about -players- participating in slavery-themed activities, is it not?

And that, as evidenced by these discussions here, is quite a bit of a can of worms...

Now, the argumant has been made that its no worse then cold blooded murder, which player characters can already indulge in thanks to the Dark Brotherhood DLC.

Which of course lets me wonder... IF they would make some player slavery stuff, might it be as "Slavers Guild DLC"? You know... let any who wish to go there pay extra?
Then it would come down to... how many -would- pay extra for that, and how many would just feel disgusted and leave it be? I mean, I could see it happening. Both buying "slave" pets they can then have stand around their homes with a serving tray or, dancing for the amusement of their "owner"... just like other assistants. I think I dimly recall seeing some "dancing girl slave" in Age of Conan, back when I played that...

And of course, there could be an option for players to set their characters "capture enabled" in cyrodil, and some mechanic where enemy players who defeat them in battle can then capture them and then try to lead their captives to a "goal point" (while the captives convey their location in their alliance chat in hopes of drawing rescuers), to either turn them over to their alliance as PoWs for AP, or sell them to NPC slavers for gold (wheras in both instances the captured heroes unboubtedly would escape, being heroes and all that - meaning a little mini "escape the prison" instance to take back their freedom, likely ending with the NPC guard or slaver as final boss...)

...

But then there is the other side too, players who might want to indulge in abolitionism-themed activities instead... you know, free slaves, start revolts, murder slavers... no reason they shouldn't be allowed to do that, right?
Personally the idea of player-character "slavers" being PvP-killable anywhere by player-character "abolitionists" amuses me, greatly. Especially if they paid for their slaver sins with becoming blade of woe enabled, not like that'd gonna happen, but... it is an thought that brings a smile to my face.

Wrathmane

No, Morrowind will not have slaves that i can buy

I feel that there will certainly be no Aragonian Slaves as they were all released due to the Signing of the Ebonheart Pact. I suppose that House Dres would have held on to their Khajiit Slaves as they would technically now be considered enemies as they are part of the Dominion.

AlMcFly

Yes, Morrowind will let me have slaves

ShadowHvo wrote: »

Acrolas wrote: »

The implication being that the alliances abolished it and continue to forbid it even without Imperial counsel.

Remember that slavery in the Ebonheart Pact is only illegal against Pact races.

You two are missing the most obvious rebuttal:

It's not like you, the hero, ever get to choose a quest option that breaks current faction law, right? Wait, you mean that happens all the time in current game quests?

Faction law or no faction law, ZOS has already allowed us to break faction law ad nauseum. Quoting current law as warrant for why we shouldn't be allowed to do something, is an insufficient warrant.

Rohamad_Ali

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

If they will have any slaves - consider them free already.
If they will have any slavers - consider them dead already.

Shadowscale is coming to Morrowind...

Beat me to it . But yes , we will free the slaves and take moral high ground by training them in our cult of Assasins and killers . Take THAT Dunmer society !

Draconerus

Yes, Morrowind will let me have slaves

Technically it is a custom there. I don't see it being allowed for players due to political correctness though.

Uriel_Nocturne

Yes, Morrowind will let me have slaves

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

If they will have any slaves - consider them free already.
If they will have any slavers - consider them dead already.

Shadowscale is coming to Morrowind...

Beat me to it . But yes , we will free the slaves and take moral high ground by training them in our cult of Assasins and killers . Take THAT Dunmer society !

Well, in Vvardenfell, we have this thing called the Morag Tong.

Heard of it?

No?

And those pathetic Shadowscales won't hear them coming either.

Tommy_The_Gun

No, Morrowind will not have slaves that i can buy

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

If they will have any slaves - consider them free already.
If they will have any slavers - consider them dead already.

Shadowscale is coming to Morrowind...

Beat me to it . But yes , we will free the slaves and take moral high ground by training them in our cult of Assasins and killers . Take THAT Dunmer society !

Sorry for off topic but according to the lore shadowsales are trained for assassins since birth. Training freed slaves for assassins won't work I am afraid. But still... take THAT Dunmer society ! xD

scorpiodog

No, Morrowind will not have slaves that i can buy

They will NOT risk what some players would do with a Slave system. Imagine if the *** spamming zone chat to get attention could have slaves.

With a single player game you can do what you want and no one is around to tell - you would just be telling on yourself.

But with an MMO you have a bunch of knuckleheads who go out of their way to offend people interacting with people who could be offended by "Slave Play".

Just the ability to name your slave (an why wouldn't you be able to name your slave ...) would open up a can of worms that I don't think ZOS wants to deal with.

ArchMikem

No, Morrowind will not have slaves that i can buy

The fact is you cant have "companions" that fight for you, that would make them the same as summoned combat pets and would imbalance gameplay moreso. And with that out of the way, having one would be pointless other than being a morally heavy topic and nothing else.