Dolmen's difficultly level

qsnoopyjr

So when you do a dolmen, usually a lot of people will show up, and when they do, do you find dolmen's to be...

qsnoopyjr

One thing to think about.

On world bosses, usually people dont show up to help unless you beg them to show up.
On Dolmen's, people show up without even being begged to show up.

Are dolmen's balanced right? People show up to these.
Are world bosses balanced right? People ignore these.

Dr_Rektar

WAYYYYY Too easy, all I do is spam AoE and win, sometimes... I just stand there and we win

Its easy to ailing them too. Not so ez as with zerglings i' d say 30% harder than with zerg. Abd yes thete5 are so many dolmens in cyro without a purpose. Zos. Make use of them please

Berenhir

Dr_Rektar wrote: »

Its easy to ailing them too. Not so ez as with zerglings i' d say 30% harder than with zerg. Abd yes thete5 are so many dolmens in cyro without a purpose. Zos. Make use of them please

Cold Fire Sieges

qsnoopyjr

Dr_Rektar wrote: »

Its easy to ailing them too. Not so ez as with zerglings i' d say 30% harder than with zerg. Abd yes thete5 are so many dolmens in cyro without a purpose. Zos. Make use of them please

Perhaps should be scaled? Maybe even more serious yet fun boss shows up, that isn't just a DPS check, yet alone an advanced mechanic check either.

Maybe a DPS check, or a laziness check. As in more adds show up if a lot of people show up. this way that people don't do anything they get overwhelmed by adds, aka doesn't feel like pointless game thing, show up and get rewarded for doing absolute nothing. Instead you feel like you actually did something and proud of your reward.
Which makes sense because its a dolmen, its where Daedric are coming from, it should be your raid vs there raid.
20 players vs 10 daedric isnt a fair fight.

Taleof2Cities

WAYYYYY Too easy, all I do is spam AoE and win, sometimes... I just stand there and we win

I started a thread about this months ago in PTS testing for OneTamriel ... these should be more difficult given their new popularity.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/292917/world-boss-difficulty-has-improved-what-about-public-dungeons-and-dolmens

Dr_Rektar

WAYYYYY Too easy, all I do is spam AoE and win, sometimes... I just stand there and we win

Hmm stronger bosses might be good. And my stronger we need not the hp increse. But some oneshotmechanics. But still soloable

Dr_Rektar

WAYYYYY Too easy, all I do is spam AoE and win, sometimes... I just stand there and we win

Cold fire sieges is good but still 90% of dolmens in cyro are staying there lonely while people cancering at bridge

qsnoopyjr

Dr_Rektar wrote: »

Hmm stronger bosses might be good. And my stronger we need not the hp increse. But some oneshotmechanics. But still soloable

hell *** ya dude,

What they think we want "fights to be longer... So HP increase"
What we really want "Epic fights.... LEEEEEEROY JEEEEKINS. AKA So many adds, overwhelmed by adds"

And ya know what.
Dolmens are daedric portals, its the perfect scenario for this.

SirAndy

WAYYYYY Too easy, all I do is spam AoE and win, sometimes... I just stand there and we win

They should scale the difficulty of the mobs according to the number of players, not just throw more mobs at you.

Even generals just melt in seconds if you have a lot of people around ...

qsnoopyjr

I want that Daedric Prince that talks to you while you do Dolmen to get so mad and angry, so all I hear is that meteor sound and then adds popping up all over the place.

I dont want to lose by 1 boss doing some stupid AE.
I want to die from 100 *** smacking the heck out of me LOL

I want to hear that Daedric Prince to a laugh like GOLGOTH in Lords of Magic, whenever someone dies at the Dolmen. And instead of getting easier, the Dolmen gets harder and more adds spawn when people die.

They really need to add on to the interaction that the Daedric Prince talks to you, like if theres a lot of people there, he should be going crazy, it should be like Star Fox "FIRE FIRE!!! Dont Let them Through!" Basically that guy just needs to be talking his ass off. They need to make it epic fights.

Dr_Rektar

WAYYYYY Too easy, all I do is spam AoE and win, sometimes... I just stand there and we win

Hm lol I love your idea about "more death =stronger mobs "

MythicEmperor

WAYYYYY Too easy, all I do is spam AoE and win, sometimes... I just stand there and we win

Who's ever wiped on a dolmen? I'm sure my cat could faceroll it and win. Heck, my cat could faceroll the Molag Bal final boss fight. World PVE is way too easy.

qsnoopyjr

SirAndy wrote: »

They should scale the difficulty of the mobs according to the number of players, not just throw more mobs at you.

Even generals just melt in seconds if you have a lot of people around ...

Maybe both, how about a cap on how much damage they can take.
Instead of insane HP buff

How about cap where you can only knock out 20% of their HP per second.
This way they can at least smack you a few times.
And with a lot of monsters, that's a lot of smacks a few times. Haha

I think the Dolmen Prince should more interactive and less, static. As in talks to you based on whats happening rather than, 'oh you killed everything, now I talk'. Like everytime someone dies, should be a GOLGOTH from Lords of Magic laugh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4gbXtai6tw&t=438s goto 12:00.

HUE HUA HA HA.

Serious thats what makes good games good games and bad games bad games. It's that corny thing that makes people laugh or make things epic.

skiptomyluau

WAYYYYY Too easy, all I do is spam AoE and win, sometimes... I just stand there and we win

I think under like 8 players leave it as is. Then ramp up difficulty to like 15 players. More than 15 summon a world boss from that zone and up the drop to purple or something.

qsnoopyjr

skiptomyluau wrote: »

I think under like 8 players leave it as is. Then ramp up difficulty to like 15 players. More than 15 summon a world boss from that zone and up the drop to purple or something.

Well, it'll be a grind then, it wont be fun anymore.
Shouldn't always be rewarded with items, should be rewarded by a fun and epic fight. A good time.

skiptomyluau

WAYYYYY Too easy, all I do is spam AoE and win, sometimes... I just stand there and we win

Nothing fun about a 30 second meltfest though

kyle.wilson

WAYYYYY Too easy, all I do is spam AoE and win, sometimes... I just stand there and we win

Dolmans are probably the easiest thing to solo in the game, next to a mudcrab.
Sometimes I like to close a dolman just to mess up grinders rotations.

qsnoopyjr

Jeepers man,

Zenimax Balance team, overlooking this. Too much balance on skills, and making it tougher to get nice items, they forget about other things like dolmen's.

95% say dolmen's not easy.... But WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY too easy.

This intended?

Should I make a poll on World Bosses. Do you think the outcome will be opposite? WAYYYYYYYYYYYY to hard.
Balance?

qsnoopyjr

skiptomyluau wrote: »

Nothing fun about a 30 second meltfest though

I agree,

The toughest thing with a Dolmen, is trying to land some attacks on a mob because they "drop it like its hot."

disintegr8

Considering I, like many out there, am capable of completing dolmens (and several world bosses) solo, simply having one other person present can be enough to make them too easy.

This is not to say I don't find any of them challenging on my own, but given the choice of fighting them with a mob of 20 strangers or doing them solo, I'd take solo any day.

I see people in text chat all the time looking for dolmen groups but I don't know why, if you are going to struggle and nobody is at the dolmen, just wait a couple of minutes - someone will be along.

qsnoopyjr

disintegr8 wrote: »

Considering I, like many out there, am capable of completing dolmens (and several world bosses) solo, simply having one other person present can be enough to make them too easy.

This is not to say I don't find any of them challenging on my own, but given the choice of fighting them with a mob of 20 strangers or doing them solo, I'd take solo any day.

I see people in text chat all the time looking for dolmen groups but I don't know why, if you are going to struggle and nobody is at the dolmen, just wait a couple of minutes - someone will be along.

Question, do you know how much DPS you do, is it over 25k?

AdamBourke

Average, sometimes we win sometimes we wipe

For a single player or small group the difficulty is fine (they do scale to number of players for a small amount). I never really die at dolmens, but they can take a while to solo.

If the number of players is too high, the lag frustrates me more than the speed at which it goes down.

I normally play off peak hours though, so i dont see it too much. Normally less than six people appear - and i still have to solo some.

qsnoopyjr

AdamBourke wrote: »

For a single player or small group the difficulty is fine (they do scale to number of players for a small amount). I never really die at dolmens, but they can take a while to solo.

If the number of players is too high, the lag frustrates me more than the speed at which it goes down.

I normally play off peak hours though, so i dont see it too much. Normally less than six people appear - and i still have to solo some.

Wow, is your vote for real?

I cant recall ever wiping from a Dolmen, but who knows how others fare.

idk

@qsnoopyjr

Anyone at a dolmen with a lot of people there should find the dolmen easy. It should be easy with a lot of people there. I do not think a poll is needed to know this.

It is easy doing it solo to begin with.

qsnoopyjr

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@qsnoopyjr

Anyone at a dolmen with a lot of people there should find the dolmen easy. It should be easy with a lot of people there. I do not think a poll is needed to know this.

It is easy doing it solo to begin with.

Yes, but I just wanted to confirm whether or not Dolmen's are tough.

Not everyone is a trail player that does 20k + dps sustained.
I want to get feedback from those newbies and see if they find Dolmen's easy too.
Obviously some people are finding it tough, but for most part, it looks like my hypothesis is correct.

disintegr8

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

disintegr8 wrote: »

Considering I, like many out there, am capable of completing dolmens (and several world bosses) solo, simply having one other person present can be enough to make them too easy.

This is not to say I don't find any of them challenging on my own, but given the choice of fighting them with a mob of 20 strangers or doing them solo, I'd take solo any day.

I see people in text chat all the time looking for dolmen groups but I don't know why, if you are going to struggle and nobody is at the dolmen, just wait a couple of minutes - someone will be along.

Question, do you know how much DPS you do, is it over 25k?

No idea (being on PS4) but I tend to focus on my self sustain rather than outright damage - especially as I am someone who doesn't run trials.

Someone else might have more DPS but if the fight isn't over quickly, they run out of resources. I want my characters to be able to go the distance and still get the job done without relying on backup.

Korah_Eaglecry

I never expect content to be challenging when theres a large group of players present. It will always be a face roll and any sort of balancing to make it more challenging will certainly chase players away from that content.

qsnoopyjr

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

I never expect content to be challenging when theres a large group of players present. It will always be a face roll and any sort of balancing to make it more challenging will certainly chase players away from that content.

Yep,

But if there's occassionally 15+ players that show up, and the mobs die before you can even target them.
is it time to balance?

I mean, seriously, spawn a big nasty looking daedric monster... And all he does is "drop it like its hot".
Shouldn't that big nasty looking daedric monster... Be very nasty... DPS wise. Where 1 of those 15 players should be blocking and tanking, and at least some mechanics going on, rather than that... Big Nasty Looking Daedric Monster tickling everyone at the Dolmen.

Also to mention,
Does Zenimax Online Balance team... Really want people to stand around Dolmen because its so easy.
Because I literally kill a few mobs, do a few hits on the final mob, and really, I stand around a lot, because "time I target a mob, they already dead"

Korah_Eaglecry

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

I never expect content to be challenging when theres a large group of players present. It will always be a face roll and any sort of balancing to make it more challenging will certainly chase players away from that content.

Yep,

But if there's occassionally 15+ players that show up, and the mobs die before you can even target them.
is it time to balance?

I mean, seriously, spawn a big nasty looking daedric monster... And all he does is "drop it like its hot".
Shouldn't that big nasty looking daedric monster... Be very nasty... DPS wise. Where 1 of those 15 players should be blocking and tanking, and at least some mechanics going on, rather than that... Big Nasty Looking Daedric Monster tickling everyone at the Dolmen.

Also to mention,
Does Zenimax Online Balance team... Really want people to stand around Dolmen because its so easy.
Because I literally kill a few mobs, do a few hits on the final mob, and really, I stand around a lot, because "time I target a mob, they already dead"

Ive had that many players show up and I never seem to have a problem hitting something. I honestly dont know what you think is going to happen to the Dolmens if they decide to make them "more challenging". Im quite certain it wont be what ever it is youve convinced yourself of.

DrkHunter86

WAYYYYY Too easy, all I do is spam AoE and win, sometimes... I just stand there and we win

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

So when you do a dolmen, usually a lot of people will show up, and when they do, do you find dolmen's to be...

They're too easy whether its just me or myself and a dozen other people. I'm usually online late at night as I work late. More often than not I solo them and do so without breaking a sweat lol.