Skills Lost Their Level - Bound Aegis 4 is now Bound Armor 3

Kildayen · February 2017

I haven't checked all of my skills yet, but my Daedric Summoning skill Bound Armor was maxed out completely in both morphs. After the patch it is now only level 3 in the unmorphed version.

@ZOS_GinaBruno any info on this?

Nestor · February 2017

The skills were re-ordered. Since the skills take more exp to level the farther down the list they are, some skills were reduced in Stage.

Not something I agree with, but it's why it happened.

Kildayen · February 2017

Nestor wrote: »

The skills were re-ordered. Since the skills take more exp to level the farther down the list they are, some skills were reduced in Stage.

Not something I agree with, but it's why it happened.

Thanks for the info. Definitely think this is something that was overlooked. I have 166 days played on my Sorc. Bound Armor was on my bar for a majority of my PVE play time. Now sure why it would lose so much experience.

Pallio · February 2017

Sweet, now my characters are even more messed than I expected from the obvious patch note nerfs.

VycDarkshadow · February 2017

Just because the slots have been changed, doesn't mean you should be penalized for this. They should've moved the skills and left the bars how they were. If the skills were morphable, they should've remained morphable. I can actually see people leaving the game over this (although I'm not one of those people).

Lv4 Venom Arrow is now Lv1 Poison Arrow.
Lv4 Destructive Clench is now Lv1 Destructive Touch.
Lv4 Blood Craze is now Lv3 Twin Slash.
Lv4 Carve is now Lv1 Cleave.

BigBragg · February 2017

We got ZOS'd!!!

Merlin13KAGL · February 2017

If the third skill in the line was maxed, the third (new) skill should still be maxed.

For those that have already maxed the skills (which I suspect are more than not), it should have no effect (regarding implementation, not commenting on what they have or haven't done, as I haven't seen it yet.)

EDIT: several of the lines are this way. All weapon lines (save 2H) were maxed and morphed previously. I show a handful of skills that are no longer at max level.

Short version: If the skill in slot 1/2/3/4/5 was maxed before, the replacement skill in slot 1/2/3/4/5 should be maxed. Same for morphs. The skill rank % should have moved along with the skill, no the underlying XP's (which I'm pretty sure would have been past cap long, long ago.)

Impressive how they can take such a simple thing the find a way to break it.

captainwolfos · February 2017

I'm kind of afraid to log in now

Erasure · February 2017

Just train it back up, it's not like your morphs lost their progress.

MasterSpatula · February 2017

Kildayen wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

The skills were re-ordered. Since the skills take more exp to level the farther down the list they are, some skills were reduced in Stage.

Not something I agree with, but it's why it happened.

Thanks for the info. Definitely think this is something that was overlooked. I have 166 days played on my Sorc. Bound Armor was on my bar for a majority of my PVE play time. Now sure why it would lose so much experience.

It didn't lost any experience. At its old position, it had a maximum amount of XP it could accrue. That max amount is lower than what it takes to reach Level 4 in its new placement.

This is the decision they made. I don't think it's a very good decision, but there is a logic there.

SpazzmanNDQ · February 2017

What was the explanation for changing the order of the skills?

OldGamerESO · February 2017

SpazzmanNDQ wrote: »

What was the explanation for changing the order of the skills?

The stated they wanted to raise the floor and lower the ceiling. In other words they want to make it faster for people to become better as well and limit how good they can be. Hence some of the buffs, nerfs and things like this.

So they re-ordered the skills to be in line with this new design philosophy.

alexkdd99 · February 2017

Just shows how people can screw up the simplest task.

starkerealm · February 2017

Okay, did it eat the skill point spent to morph the ability?

DocFrost72 · February 2017

OldGamerESO wrote: »

SpazzmanNDQ wrote: »

What was the explanation for changing the order of the skills?

The stated they wanted to raise the floor and lower the ceiling. In other words they want to make it faster for people to become better as well and limit how good they can be. Hence some of the buffs, nerfs and things like this.

So they re-ordered the skills to be in line with this new design philosophy.

Er, not sure how reordering skills lowers the ceilings. More likely that they wanted a level 10 dps to actually have an attack. Now, no matter what weapon you start with, you can deal damage with a spammable.

LordGavus · February 2017

starkerealm wrote: »

Okay, did it eat the skill point spent to morph the ability?

The skill progress/experience doesn't concern me too much, this does however.

Dawnblade · February 2017

Poorly handled and poorly communicated.

Also all skill points should have been refunded, not just a few random ones here and there.

Riggsy · February 2017

Bump, WTF ZOS my poison arrow is now at 1 when I had it at 4

SickDuck · February 2017

Fix this please ASAP!

I cannot even use some of the skills I had before cause can't even morph them now!

VycDarkshadow · February 2017

Update: I got hit with this on Destructive Touch. Got it to where it could be morphed, selected Destructive Reach, and it immediately went to Lv4 Destructive Reach, where it should be.

This bug only seems to be affecting the original skill; from my experience, you SHOULD NOT have to relevel your morphs as well.

Strontium · February 2017

Riggsy wrote: »

Bump, WTF ZOS my poison arrow is now at 1 when I had it at 4

I guess if you didn't morph it, then you didn't have enough xp in it to unlock rank iv at it's new position at the bottom.

My ranger is still at rank iv venom arrow.

failkiwib16_ESO · February 2017

O_O this scares me

ArchMikem · February 2017

Good lord. The reactions are amazing.

Just continue to play the game like you always do and your skills will level back up again. That, or ZOS will notice this as an unintended hiccup and do a hotpatch. Either way, its not the end of the world.

srfrogg23 · February 2017

VycDarkshadow wrote: »

Update: I got hit with this on Destructive Touch. Got it to where it could be morphed, selected Destructive Reach, and it immediately went to Lv4 Destructive Reach, where it should be.

This bug only seems to be affecting the original skill; from my experience, you SHOULD NOT have to relevel your morphs as well.

Sounds like good news. So the skill point is still attached to the morph and we just need to level the skill up enough to select the morph we were using?

I wonder what will happen if I select the morph that I didn't spend the skill point on?

MasterSpatula · February 2017

srfrogg23 wrote: »

VycDarkshadow wrote: »

Update: I got hit with this on Destructive Touch. Got it to where it could be morphed, selected Destructive Reach, and it immediately went to Lv4 Destructive Reach, where it should be.

This bug only seems to be affecting the original skill; from my experience, you SHOULD NOT have to relevel your morphs as well.

Sounds like good news. So the skill point is still attached to the morph and we just need to level the skill up enough to select the morph we were using?

I wonder what will happen if I select the morph that I didn't spend the skill point on?

Probably the same thing that happens if you reset morphs and pick different ones. You start at level 1 on the morphed skill.

Riggsy · February 2017

Strontium wrote: »

Riggsy wrote: »

Bump, WTF ZOS my poison arrow is now at 1 when I had it at 4

I guess if you didn't morph it, then you didn't have enough xp in it to unlock rank iv at it's new position at the bottom.

My ranger is still at rank iv venom arrow.

I had Focused aim lvl 4 (but no active points in it because I dont use it) and poison injection lvl4 (with points). After this update and respecing I am back to level 1 poison arrow. WTF is that @ZOS_GinaBruno

and for the clown above who said "continue to play the game" you fail to see poison injection was a necessary stam execution in pve so without it my DPS is suffering.

ADarklore · February 2017

Strange... why is it this effects some players and not others? Is it how long they've been playing and the overall XP gained? Because on my max level characters, the skill order has changed, but I still have all my morphs and don't have to re-level any of them.

SanTii.92 · February 2017

Same issue, skill reorder is not the problem since what was in it's place, ward i had it maxed too. Also this happnd only on one of my 3 sorcs

ADarklore · February 2017

Makes me think it has something to do with how long the skill has been active and how much XP was gained on that skill since it became active/morphed.

ADarklore · February 2017

On second thought... after I respec'd one of my long-time characters, Bound Armor reset to level 3. So apparently it all depends on if you respec or not.

Moloch1514 · February 2017

ADarklore wrote: »

On second thought... after I respec'd one of my long-time characters, Bound Armor reset to level 3. So apparently it all depends on if you respec or not.

I just did a respec and had the exact same issue as above @ZOS_GinaBruno. My fully leveled morphs are now reset to Bound Armor III and Poison Arrow 1.