Fixed Skill?: Daedric Prey % Damage increase stacking from multiple casters

Erasure

Context: Daedric Prey curse applies 55% increased damage to caster's Summoned being damage. Familiar Damage Pulse is newly (as of 2.7.0) able to be increased by this buff.

Observations: Non-updated Familiar mechanics behave as expected in the presence of Daedric Prey: Only the caster's own Prey increases the damage of summons owned by said caster. Tested skills with this behavior: Greater Storm Atronach, Twilight Matriarch, Twilight Tormentor, Volatile Familiar Melee.

Updated Familiar Damage Pulse incorrectly allows multiple players to boost output damage.
Single-Prey-caster parse: Max Familiar damage 19,408


Multiple-Prey-caster parse: Max Familiar damage 25,957. Identical gearing and rotation.


Single-Prey-caster parse: Max familiar damage 25,711. Raid buffs used. Overall damage increased 30%



So, with only two players you can boost this skill by as much as Warhorn, Combat Prayer, and Guard for the duration would grant. What about with four Daedric Prey casters? Eight? Twelve? More? Damage vs. Player targets was not tested, but is highly relevant. If this behavior works in Cyrodiil and reaches Live, a lone scamp and a few tenders will be able to one-shot whatever player they please.

Needless to say, this would alter class balance and leaderboard times in PvE detrimentally as well.


Hoped-for fix: Correction of Familiar Damage Pulse to standard behavior; owner's curse may buff it, but no others.
Alternate hoped-for: Others may cast Prey for your benefit, but no stacking allowed. Ideal situation for group play.

Sinolai

Wow! ZOS was not kidding about the pet buffs.

I can already see the sorcerer zerg squad running with necropotence, pets and daedric prey.
They might even be viable for vet tirals now.

covenant_merchant

gj ZOS

Alcast

@ZOS_GinaBruno this needs immediate fixing. Unless it is working as intended

RoyJade

I can't even say "pets are finally viable", because their damage (with only one sorc) are finally good now without this bug.

I hope it will be fixed.

leepalmer95

So pet sorc zerg in pvp?

Basically get 4 sorc to cast curse on 1 target = instant death?

Wizball1987

Bah

Sugaroverdose

As always, special team creates more problems than resolves with their idiotic position of infinite buffing.

Dracane

Fix this please.
I think it makes sense, that my daedric prey buffs the pet damage of another Sorcerer who doesn't use daedric prey himself.

But it should not stack

RoyJade

Dracane wrote: »

I think it makes sense, that my daedric prey buffs the pet damage of another Sorcerer who doesn't use daedric prey himself.

But it should not stack

Agreed, it make sense.
Perhaps make a new debuff who allow pets to deal more damage on the target ? Sorc support would benefit from it, while dps won't gain too much.

Alcast

RoyJade wrote: »

I can't even say "pets are finally viable", because their damage (with only one sorc) are finally good now without this bug.

I hope it will be fixed.

Even if they are going to have good damage... the main issue still remains... AI.... we tested pet in a raid.

1. Pet ran AWAY from boss
2. Pet got stuck in wall
3. Pet did not attack at all
4. Pet does not listen to commands half the time.

Dracane

RoyJade wrote: »

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Dracane wrote: »

I think it makes sense, that my daedric prey buffs the pet damage of another Sorcerer who doesn't use daedric prey himself.

But it should not stack

Agreed, it make sense.
Perhaps make a new debuff who allow pets to deal more damage on the target ? Sorc support would benefit from it, while dps won't gain too much.

And even more important, make it unpurgeable

Junipus

Pet builds in trials won't work. Pet builds in PvP will work, but will die just as quick in zerg-v-zerg fights. Fix the glitch so it only buffs the caster's pet damage and leave deadric curse as purgeable. Next you'll all be demanding CC immunity for pets.

Fatalyis

No one is surprised by this...at all...

RoyJade

Alcast wrote: »

Even if they are going to have good damage... the main issue still remains... AI.... we tested pet in a raid.

1. Pet ran AWAY from boss
2. Pet got stuck in wall
3. Pet did not attack at all
4. Pet does not listen to commands half the time.

I can't even say that I'm surprised either…
Thanks for the test and for the confirmation. I'll stick with my actual build then, except for some "joke" raid.

kojou

I was hoping a 12 Sorc scamp raid would be viable... oh well..

RoyJade

ztyhurstub17_ESO wrote: »

I was hoping a 12 Sorc scamp raid would be viable... oh well..

Honestly, it work. We've tried vet Hel Ra with 11 sorc, a DK tank and 22 pets, it work well. It's not for leaderboard, but still it work.

Foxic

So the atro also gets affected by stacking curses?

Erasure

Alcast wrote: »

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RoyJade wrote: »

I can't even say "pets are finally viable", because their damage (with only one sorc) are finally good now without this bug.

I hope it will be fixed.

Even if they are going to have good damage... the main issue still remains... AI.... we tested pet in a raid.

1. Pet ran AWAY from boss
2. Pet got stuck in wall
3. Pet did not attack at all
4. Pet does not listen to commands half the time.

If you don't mind, what situations were 1-4 in?

Issues I have noticed:

• Scamp must be resummoned for 2nd Trash pull in vMoL or it may not aggro
• Scamp does not change targets well at Vashai and S'kinrai. This, combined with the Stun on its attacks and Vashai's Negate killing it reliably, makes the spec worth dropping for fighting the twins
• Scamp reliably executed by World Shaper at The Serpent, with difficult maneuvers required to exit early enough for it to come with you (set passive, sprint, hope it gets out of radius).
• Familiars are granted valuable player buffs like Spell Power Cure. Needs correcting.

On the flip side, they also:

• May stand in Sun-Eater negate and continue to damage them, unlike most AoE DoTs
• Actively track/follow the correct split of Yokeda Kai once aggro'd on it, aiding visibility
• Continue damaging marked target even if the caster is incapacitated (stunned, pinned at Ozara, etc)

Dracane wrote: »

Fix this please.
I think it makes sense, that my daedric prey buffs the pet damage of another Sorcerer who doesn't use daedric prey himself.

But it should not stack

Exactly! It's great that someone else can cast Prey for you, especially in AoE situations. Adds to group play. Iron the wrinkle out and we'll be solid

Erasure

TotallyNotVos wrote: »

So the atro also gets affected by stacking curses?

The only thing I tested that was boosted incorrectly was Familiar Damage Pulse, the active ability on the Scamp. I wasn't exhaustive on finding/trying all other familiar effects, though. Matriarch/Tormentor/Greater Storm Atro behaved as expected from Live mechanics.

Birdovic

So finally we know, why daedric prey wasn't replaced/combined with haunting curse, as many wished

Erasure

Birdovic wrote: »

So finally we know, why daedric prey wasn't replaced/combined with haunting curse, as many wished

Right, because 30k dps from one ability is Working as Intended

To be fair, I haven't tested how high it stacks yet. Motivating my NA friends to get on PTS is somewhat difficult atm.

SublimeSparo

Shhh don't tell zos i want to see answers to the following questions;
Can a scamp 1vX a zerg and win?
Can a scamp kill rakkhat before hm lunar phase by itself?
Can you double double stack the buff ie, 12 pet sorcs, each with scamp and each casting daedric prey then hitting pulse with full raid buffs up... hehee

Vaoh

I never thought I'd see the day Rakkhat HM got zerged down by pet Sorcs....

Leave this bug in plz! I wanna see it happen XD they'd pull insane DPS!

Izaki

Vaoh wrote: »

I never thought I'd see the day Rakkhat HM got zerged down by pet Sorcs....

Leave this bug in plz! I wanna see it happen XD they'd pull insane DPS!

Ikr! Rakkhat zerged by lowly daedric things.

Erasure

This remains glitched as of 2.7.4

@ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_JessicaFolsom , whoever needs to hear this, this is a leaderboard-ruiner. It would be better for Prey to be disabled entirely than for this to hit Live in its current PTS state.

Tasear

Not a bug... it's a feature! The dawn of the necromancers has come! ... we will have our day before the warden comes around.

I think to be fair. this only works with one target... to pull this off you would need some serious coordination. Also I would keep and allow a chance for this new play style to be viable. Debuff it after you have some dark converts.

* Cons
- sorc pet has to be on both bars
- takes away from sorc dps
- lose up to 2 to 7 of of the 15 slots
- actually takes a team with the other taking a lost in damage for your benifit
- takes alot of magicka... (I only have 35 with mage stone)
- takes a lot of spell damage

* pros
- make people consider teamwork... every notice how lonely even a random dugeon is...
- new playstyle
- people like deardic summon line again


Also make this skill work with the warden pets along with other's monster helm pets.

.... if nothing else... make the evil familiars our battle friends instead of our house pets

Transairion

Erasure wrote: »

This remains glitched as of 2.7.4

@ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_JessicaFolsom , whoever needs to hear this, this is a leaderboard-ruiner. It would be better for Prey to be disabled entirely than for this to hit Live in its current PTS state.

While I'm all for exploits being fixed ASAP, disabling a Skill (especially such a key skill) for days/weeks/months is kind of out of the question... that's what hotfixes are for.

How many 12 man Trial groups are all going to have max level Sorcerers with the spec, gear and morphs to actually abuse this for leaderboards or anything else? This'll hopefully be fixed before anyone even finishes preparation to abuse it.

Sugaroverdose

Transairion wrote: »

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Erasure wrote: »

This remains glitched as of 2.7.4

@ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_JessicaFolsom , whoever needs to hear this, this is a leaderboard-ruiner. It would be better for Prey to be disabled entirely than for this to hit Live in its current PTS state.

While I'm all for exploits being fixed ASAP, disabling a Skill (especially such a key skill) for days/weeks/months is kind of out of the question... that's what hotfixes are for.

How many 12 man Trial groups are all going to have max level Sorcerers with the spec, gear and morphs to actually abuse this for leaderboards or anything else? This'll hopefully be fixed before anyone even finishes preparation to abuse it.

from starting this topic left enough time to at least get 50lvl and level undaunted somewhere around 7

Erasure

Transairion wrote: »

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Erasure wrote: »

This remains glitched as of 2.7.4

@ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_JessicaFolsom , whoever needs to hear this, this is a leaderboard-ruiner. It would be better for Prey to be disabled entirely than for this to hit Live in its current PTS state.

While I'm all for exploits being fixed ASAP, disabling a Skill (especially such a key skill) for days/weeks/months is kind of out of the question... that's what hotfixes are for.

How many 12 man Trial groups are all going to have max level Sorcerers with the spec, gear and morphs to actually abuse this for leaderboards or anything else? This'll hopefully be fixed before anyone even finishes preparation to abuse it.

Raiders tend to have multiple maxed characters, and with modern exp grinds it takes one session to get a character from 3 to 50. So, groups not having sorcs to do it isn't the issue. How many actually will? I dunno. You can never tell how popular these things will be.

Aedaryl

People hate pets, they will probably don't even look this thread !


I hope