Don't Complain about Crown Store, this is a Free to Play game after all.

S1ipperyJim · January 2017

robertthebard wrote: »

the game's now F2P for me, I already own it.

*sigh*

robertthebard · January 2017

reapthetempestrwb17_ESO wrote: »

robertthebard wrote: »

the game's now F2P for me, I already own it.

*sigh*

That's kinda what I thought. You can argue all day about how special it makes you feel to have purchased a game, but you're not a snowflake here, everyone that's playing bought it. None of us are required to keep paying in order to play, which means that we're playing for free. Guess what that means:

Wait for it:

It's free to play.

Abeille · January 2017

robertthebard wrote: »

reapthetempestrwb17_ESO wrote: »

robertthebard wrote: »

the game's now F2P for me, I already own it.

*sigh*

That's kinda what I thought. You can argue all day about how special it makes you feel to have purchased a game, but you're not a snowflake here, everyone that's playing bought it. None of us are required to keep paying in order to play, which means that we're playing for free. Guess what that means:

Wait for it:

It's free to play.

No, look.

You bought the game in order to play it.

That means you had to buy it to play it.

Buy to Play. That's what it means.

Free to Play means you can create an account and play the game without paying anything. They are different business plans, have different target audiences and the players have different expectations for them. The moment when you made your purchase, if it is in the past or in the present, doesn't erase the fact that you had to make a purchase in order to play the game.

You are mistaking Buy to Play for Pay to Play. Pay to Play is a game that requires you to, as you said, "keep paying in order to play". It is yet another business plan, different from both Buy to Play and Free to Play.

Leogon · January 2017

I'm facepalming so hard at some of you right now.

F2P
store.steampowered.com/app/570/

B2P
store.steampowered.com/app/306130/

Seriously, everyone I know(yes, even people who don't play ESO) know the difference between F2P and B2P.

Soafee · January 2017

I bought Lord of the Rings online the Week of it's release. I even have a fancy title that's only obtainable by someone that was there since launch. Real LOTRO fans all spaz when they see it.

I paid for the game, then it was around $60. I also paid for some other things, I can't remember. I think there was an expansion pack. I felt like I've paid my fair share. Then some 5 years ago they made the entire game free to play, even free to down load... For ONE week they offered a one time fee of $300 something dollars to be able to play all content for the rest of the game's life for free. I missed it. Now you pay a monthly fee, but they make you pay for everything, from quest packs to any new content that's brought out.

I logged in to my character about a year ago I was logged out in an area I was questing only to find out that I couldn't move forward unless I paid for that zone. There is nothing in that game that's free. Even if you pay a monthly fee, you still pay for everything else. So you think ESO is bad? Just imagine how bad it COULD be. Support the game so it doesn't turn into a lord of the rings online.

Cadbury · January 2017

The one thing that really bothers me out of all this, is that there will be those that buy the motif unaware of the alternative. And no amount of teeth-nashing or cajoling will stop it.

I understand why there are people upset over this. If anything, this will color the perspective of future CS sales in the eyes of many.

Nyghthowler · January 2017

Emencie wrote: »

I literally never hear(read) the phrase B2P anywhere else but the ESO forums.

Everyone else calls this type of game mode F2P, even the GW2 boards call their game F2P

I wonder why so many people here are obsessed with this B2P.

This must be your first MMO then. BDO is referred to as B2P, Terra was referred to as B2P before going to the F2P model; the list goes on.

Abeille · January 2017

Nyghthowler wrote: »

Emencie wrote: »

I literally never hear(read) the phrase B2P anywhere else but the ESO forums.

Everyone else calls this type of game mode F2P, even the GW2 boards call their game F2P

I wonder why so many people here are obsessed with this B2P.

This must be your first MMO then. BDO is referred to as B2P, Terra was referred to as B2P before going to the F2P model; the list goes on.

And maybe they missed the conversion on GW2. Of course GW2 is called a F2P game. It is a F2P games for almost a year now.

SanSan · January 2017

I'm convinced OP is either mentally unstable in the brain-o or just trolling. Either way, this was a funny read.

hmsdragonfly · January 2017

robertthebard wrote: »

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

B2P is F2P with an entry fee.

Battlefield 1 is free-to-play? Bioshock is free-to-play? Skyrim is free -to-play? Oblivion is free-to-play? Mass Effect is free-to-play?
I lol'd.

Darksoul best free-to-play game.

You lol, but how much does it cost you to play ME. When I play, it's free, so yeah, it's F2P, just like all SP games are. Seriously, if you're another one on PS network, having to pay monthly subs just to play your games, you need to change consoles, because xbox live is free, and isn't even required for any of the games you listed...

Haha i am with the master race. You xbox users definitely have a strange way to define "F2P" games, for us PC gamers, if you have to buy something, it's not free. So yeah, Battlefield, Total War, Rocket League, Bioshock, Skyrim, Mass Effect, Dark Soul, Witcher aren't free-to-play games. If you want to call those games I listed "free-to-play", oh well.

hmsdragonfly · January 2017

Emencie wrote: »

Remag_Div wrote: »

Emencie wrote: »

I literally never hear(read) the phrase B2P anywhere else but the ESO forums.

Everyone else calls this type of game mode F2P, even the GW2 boards call their game F2P

I wonder why so many people here are obsessed with this B2P.

What I wonder is how people are so dense that they cannot understand the difference.

Free to Play - can download the game for free and play with no monthly fees
Buy to Play - requires money to download the game with no monthly fees

The difference is easily understood...

It's just that no one calls it that. Most people think of games like wildstar, GW2, ESO, and so forth as F2P. Because no one says B2P except here.

It's like when people call a tomato a fruit. Yes it's technically right, but when someone says, "Get me a fruit from the store." They are not generally talking about tomatoes.

Witcher 3 Best Free to play game! Battlefield, Total War, Rocket League, GTA, Skyrim, Mass Effect etc, all awesome free-to-play games!
I lol'd.

Cadbury · January 2017

SanSan wrote: »

I'm convinced OP is either mentally unstable in the brain-o or just trolling. Either way, this was a funny read.

Possibly. Plus I get the feeling the "misunderstanding" of B2P /F2P is deliberate....

skiptomyluau · January 2017

Pokémon go = F2P. Free download. Ads everywhere asking for money to make the game more convienent. Developer makes all $ on cash shop.

Angry birds = B2P. Pay a fee. Get game. Play. Developer makes $ from fee and cash shop.

WOW = P2P. Recurring fees required. Dev makes $ primarily from fees with some cash shop.

Sinolai · January 2017

I am probably one of the few who like the game becouse it doesn't force monthly fees.
I played WoW for a month and I hated how it made me feel like wasting my money when I didn't play it, which in turn caused me to play almost all the time.

ESO allows me to use my money to buy the newest DLCs and play them when I want without the feeling of throwing money down the drain. My only problem at the moment is that I am running out of storage space due to all the crafting materials I have collected and will have even bigger problems after housing stuff starts dropping.
I wish there was some limited version of crafting bag for sale in CS. eg. buy crafting bag for 2000 Crowns, only 20 slots open. Open 10 more slots by purchasing bag upgrade, 1000 Crowns/upgrade.

ArchMikem · January 2017

Planetside 2 is Free to Play. World of Tanks is Free to Play.

This game is not, I've spent quite a lot of money on ESO and not just the $65 for the Disk PLUS the $60 a year for Xbox Live Gold. I think PC players like to forget us "Console Plebs" have to pay to play online.

MLGProPlayer · January 2017

This game is frequently on sale for less than $10. That's not B2P. That's essentially free.

Ermiq · January 2017

Well, this topic is very funny.

I'd never thought someone can call such a game F2P. It seems like we gonna say WoW is a F2P for 1 month. LoL.

Nyghthowler · January 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

This game is frequently on sale for less than $10. That's not B2P. That's essentially free.

You are the definition of being intentionally obtuse.
It doesn't matter what the cost of the game is; if you pay up front to download it, it is B2P. And it wasn't always that inexpensive.

Sigtric · January 2017

robertthebard wrote: »

reapthetempestrwb17_ESO wrote: »

robertthebard wrote: »

the game's now F2P for me, I already own it.

*sigh*

That's kinda what I thought. You can argue all day about how special it makes you feel to have purchased a game, but you're not a snowflake here, everyone that's playing bought it. None of us are required to keep paying in order to play, which means that we're playing for free. Guess what that means:

Wait for it:

It's free to play.

You're a little slow in the cranial cavern eh?

Spottswoode · January 2017

reapthetempestrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Spottswoode wrote: »

No, I'm saying that the distinction is semantics.

Semantics eh? I'm sure you chose that word to imply it makes no difference whether ESO is F2P or B2P.

Walk into your local game store, snatch a copy of ESO off the shelf and walk out with it and you will soon find out if they agree with you that whether you pay for a game or take it for free is merely a semantic difference.

In the case of this thread, the difference in meaning between B2P and F2P (eg 'semantics') is important as they are different business models which consumers have different expectations of.

Eh..that last part is totally incorrect. Apart from the initial purchase, this game has the exact same business model as f2p. The initial purchase as a requirement is a distinction but not a significant enough one TO SCREAM DOWN EVERYONE'S THROAT whenever they conflate the two. The difference is just not that broad and everyone should immediately understand what was meant.

This game also does not have the DLC model that other paid games have, despite what ZOS keeps saying. But again....that's semantics.

Wow · January 2017

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

This game is frequently on sale for less than $10. That's not B2P. That's essentially free.

So you consider all those less than $10 priced games in steam are essentially free right? Does that mean you can buy them all? It's going to cost you several 100k dollars. Oh well you said it's free.

You are probably one of those people that think it is a waste of money to buy a telescope because you can just look up the pictures of everything online lol. Ignorant people.

Ermiq · January 2017

Spottswoode wrote: »

Eh..that last part is totally incorrect. Apart from the initial purchase, this game has the exact same business model as f2p.

I maybe wrong, but don't you realize that 'initial purchase' and 'free' are two big differences?

petraeus1 · January 2017

No one would complain if the Crown Store looked less like an overpriced, limited-time or gamble F2P game store and more like something one would hope to expect of a premium AAA MMORPG that is B2P and has an optional and very popular subscription, bearing the Elder Scrolls IP.

The CS cheapens the game experience in several ways imo, and ZOS embraces it.

Johnfred24 · January 2017

robertthebard wrote: »

reapthetempestrwb17_ESO wrote: »

robertthebard wrote: »

the game's now F2P for me, I already own it.

*sigh*

That's kinda what I thought. You can argue all day about how special it makes you feel to have purchased a game, but you're not a snowflake here, everyone that's playing bought it. None of us are required to keep paying in order to play, which means that we're playing for free. Guess what that means:

Wait for it:

It's free to play.

You sure are a special kind of person

Cyrediath · January 2017

Are zo $ employees crate this kinda topics?

KimoBitz · January 2017

reguvin wrote: »

People are forgetting that ESO is a Free to Play Game,

Would you rather spend Real money to play ESO?

The Crown Store does not include any items that are Pay to Win.

I support them 100% by adding Motifs, Mounts, Crafted pieces onto the Store.

When did eso gone F2P ?!

Prof_Bawbag · January 2017

Yup my house was free too after I paid for it.

Danikat · January 2017

Hey look, I bought this sandwich on my way to work but since then I haven't had to pay anything for it! The entire time I'm eating it I won't have to pay anything at all, even if I finish the entire thing. I got a free lunch!

Do you see how absurd that sounds? Now replace 'sandwich' with 'game'.

Sinolai wrote: »

I am probably one of the few who like the game becouse it doesn't force monthly fees.
I played WoW for a month and I hated how it made me feel like wasting my money when I didn't play it, which in turn caused me to play almost all the time.

ESO allows me to use my money to buy the newest DLCs and play them when I want without the feeling of throwing money down the drain. My only problem at the moment is that I am running out of storage space due to all the crafting materials I have collected and will have even bigger problems after housing stuff starts dropping.
I wish there was some limited version of crafting bag for sale in CS. eg. buy crafting bag for 2000 Crowns, only 20 slots open. Open 10 more slots by purchasing bag upgrade, 1000 Crowns/upgrade.

You're not the only one. I'm in exactly the same position. Paying a sub doesn't work for me because I'm often away from home and unable to play, and when I am home I may way to play something else so I'd end up paying for a lot of time I don't get to use. Direct purchase is much better - I can buy it and then use it as and when I have time. I bought the DLC pack when it was released and I've only very briefly used it, but I know it's there ready for me whenever I want to go to those zones, and I don't have to pay any more because I'm taking my time.

About the crafting bag there is a sort-of work around: buy a sub for just 1 month. I normally buy 5,500 crown packs because they're the best value for money, but back in August I instead bought 1 month of ESO Plus which is the same price as a 1,500 crown pack. I got the crowns at slightly lower value than usual, but I also got to dump all the materials in my inventory/bank into the crafting bag (they stay there after your sub expires, you just can't add to it) and I got to dye all my costumes, so it balanced out.

At some point in the future I'll do it again, probably once I've got the house I want and collected an extra 200 furniture items, then I'll sub so I can place them in the house, dump my materials in the crafting bag, maybe re-dye some costumes. Then I'll go back to being unsubbed.

Sylosi · January 2017

Emencie wrote: »

I literally never hear(read) the phrase B2P anywhere else but the ESO forums.

Everyone else calls this type of game mode F2P, even the GW2 boards call their game F2P

I wonder why so many people here are obsessed with this B2P.

Nonsense, GW2 was called B2P for 3 years on the GW2 forum, Reddit, etc, because shock horror to play it you had to buy the game, they then added a F2P option after 3 years so people could play it for "free", of course that has so many restrictions on it that is often gets called things like an extended demo, because the business model there is clearly aimed at getting players to buy the expansion to unlock all the stuff they can't playing "F2P".

jlboozer · January 2017

It's actually B2P, are we playing the same game?