Don't Complain about Crown Store, this is a Free to Play game after all.

S1ipperyJim · January 2017

Spottswoode wrote: »

You'll have to forgive some of us if we don't acknowledge a broad sweeping distinction between the two.

Are you seriously trying to tell me that you play ESO but don't know whether you bought it or got it for free? SMH...

Lord-Otto · January 2017

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Paid 80 bucks for the base game.
Pay 10 per month, could also buy DLC for 20 each.
Free to play? Lolwhat?

@Lord-Otto

your right in pointing out it is B2P but it is also a game one does not have to pay anything after the small purchase of the game itself which is part of the reason the crown store exists.

Humorous the people who think they know the business better than Zos when the pricing is obviously working well for Zos.

Well, normal business. Vanilla costs a big feat, DLC moderate.
We could argue that the crown store is there to maintain servers, but 6k crowns for a motif, 4k for a mount and crown crates seems excessive, considering the state of the servers.

JKorr · January 2017

Banana wrote: »

No ones telling me I cant complain.

Nope, no one is telling you you can't complain.

Starting off complaining about ungrateful players who should be happy about the crown store to support he "free to play" game that isn't actually free to play, eh, not so much. Not to mention they would be happy to have "crafted pieces" added to the crown store.... Either they want to take jobs away from crafters, or they're talking about the dropped items, like maelstrom weapons. Which goes into a whole other zone of issues far beyond "supporting the game".

Remag_Div · January 2017

Even though the Crown Store is mostly cosmetic (I say mostly because they DO sell stuff that benefits gameplay like mount training and XP potions), I still detest the Crown Store.

Sure, the Dro-m’Athra motif is an absolutely ugly piece of armor, but if few people do MoL then few people should have the armor. It should be unique and actually take some effort to obtain. At least then when you see someone wearing this hideous monstrosity you can appreciate the effort to obtain it. Now, you don't know if they obtained it legit or just spent $45 in the Crown Store.

It cheapens everything about this game. It's going down the path where nothing is rare or actually obtained through hard work.

waterfairy · January 2017

Asmael wrote: »

It's B2P.

Just sayin'.

This...I bought it on console release for $60

Acrolas · January 2017

Vipstaakki wrote: »

You paid 80 bucks?
I paid just 20 bucks.

Literally depends on the retailer and edition.

There are still Day One exclusive PC copies floating around. $40 before Christmas, now discounted to $25 and still not moving. Apparently nobody wants a free game with purchase of oversized napkin.

andreasranasen · January 2017

Game is F2P on PC. Not on PS4.

Vipstaakki · January 2017

andreasranasen wrote: »

Game is F2P on PC. Not on PS4.

The game isn't F2P on PC. It is B2P.

robertthebard · January 2017

andreasranasen wrote: »

Game is F2P on PC. Not on PS4.

Again, you need to switch consoles, if the only thing your PS account covers is ESO.

MissBizz · January 2017

mb10 wrote: »

reguvin wrote: »

People are forgetting that ESO is a Free to Play Game,

Would you rather spend Real money to play ESO?

The Crown Store does not include any items that are Pay to Win.

I support them 100% by adding Motifs, Mounts, Crafted pieces onto the Store.

Wait hold on LOL, you're that guy that sells gold motifs on PS4 EU for millions??

That explains why you're *for* paying real life money for motifs. You just want to basically legally buy in game gold.

@mb10 are you aware that anything bought in the crown store can not be given, traded, or sold?

BlazingDynamo · January 2017

Yeah I would rather pay to play it actually. The game was way more fresh and content was beefier back then. Lets go there again please

OrphanHelgen · January 2017

I dont complain about crown store itself, but that Zenimax are tunnel vision on their money income from crown store, and that affects the whole endgame in general.

Emencie · January 2017

I literally never hear(read) the phrase B2P anywhere else but the ESO forums.

Everyone else calls this type of game mode F2P, even the GW2 boards call their game F2P

I wonder why so many people here are obsessed with this B2P.

robertthebard · January 2017

Emencie wrote: »

I literally never hear(read) the phrase B2P anywhere else but the ESO forums.

Everyone else calls this type of game mode F2P, even the GW2 boards call their game F2P

I wonder why so many people here are obsessed with this B2P.

epeen? It makes 'em feel special, even though everyone playing bought it first?

KochDerDamonen · January 2017

Emencie wrote: »

I literally never hear(read) the phrase B2P anywhere else but the ESO forums.

Everyone else calls this type of game mode F2P, even the GW2 boards call their game F2P

I wonder why so many people here are obsessed with this B2P.

It's a minor distinction, and a very common term in gaming business.

Either way, bad cash shop practices kill games and playerbases. Every little push towards more ridiculous "deals" test the remaining players for their tolerance, until the game either stabilizes monetarily or the company goes full cash shop focused and new content is all but halted in development.

hmsdragonfly · January 2017

lordrichter wrote: »

B2P is F2P with an entry fee.

Battlefield 1 is free-to-play? Bioshock is free-to-play? Skyrim is free -to-play? Oblivion is free-to-play? Mass Effect is free-to-play?
I lol'd.

Darksoul best free-to-play game.

Remag_Div · January 2017

Emencie wrote: »

I literally never hear(read) the phrase B2P anywhere else but the ESO forums.

Everyone else calls this type of game mode F2P, even the GW2 boards call their game F2P

I wonder why so many people here are obsessed with this B2P.

What I wonder is how people are so dense that they cannot understand the difference.

Free to Play - can download the game for free and play with no monthly fees
Buy to Play - requires money to download the game with no monthly fees

hmsdragonfly · January 2017

Emencie wrote: »

I literally never hear(read) the phrase B2P anywhere else but the ESO forums.

Everyone else calls this type of game mode F2P, even the GW2 boards call their game F2P

I wonder why so many people here are obsessed with this B2P.

Because ESO is not free-to-play, as a matter of fact.
It's like calling Battlefield free-to-play.

robertthebard · January 2017

hmsdragonfly wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

B2P is F2P with an entry fee.

Battlefield 1 is free-to-play? Bioshock is free-to-play? Skyrim is free -to-play? Oblivion is free-to-play? Mass Effect is free-to-play?
I lol'd.

Darksoul best free-to-play game.

You lol, but how much does it cost you to play ME. When I play, it's free, so yeah, it's F2P, just like all SP games are. Seriously, if you're another one on PS network, having to pay monthly subs just to play your games, you need to change consoles, because xbox live is free, and isn't even required for any of the games you listed...

Spottswoode · January 2017

reapthetempestrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Spottswoode wrote: »

You'll have to forgive some of us if we don't acknowledge a broad sweeping distinction between the two.

Are you seriously trying to tell me that you play ESO but don't know whether you bought it or got it for free? SMH...

No, I'm saying that the distinction is semantics.

Narvuntien · January 2017

Man, this does not give me much hope for the future of this game.
What a terrible attitude most of you have, I wouldn't ever want to play a game or run a dungeon with any of you.

Well my Skyrim was free to play because I got it illegally (I would never of thought to play a ES game at all) and my Fallout 3 was free to play because I borrowed it from a friend but then I bought Fallout NV because i enjoyed Fallout 3 unfortunately my computer is too old to play Fallout 4

but I would play it if I could.

I would never... ever play this game if it was a subscription, go on call me lazy and unmotovated player. A dirty casual if you will. I don't agree with a subscription model and a subscription model doesn't work with how my life is atm. I can't buy a new computer...remember. But I can spend $30 for at least 6 months of entertainment.

The company needs to make money, if you are impatient or find inventory management difficult or really really want to look cool. ZoS gives you the option to spend money for the privieadge. I don't need the DLC I haven't finished the main story yet why would I need to pay for it right now? I don't need a craft bag because I have tons of gold and I am constantly selling all my mats to make that gold, because I just haven't been playing long enough to have 9 traits on anything or level up alchemy.
As long as the store is not pay to win I am all for it and whatever they want to put in there.

The only issue I feel is a must fix right now is the server and lag issues, that is actively effecting gameplay and If they don't deal with it they will start losing players and that is bad for everyone.

reguvin · January 2017

Narvuntien wrote: »

Man, this does not give me much hope for the future of this game.
What a terrible attitude most of you have, I wouldn't ever want to play a game or run a dungeon with any of you.

Well my Skyrim was free to play because I got it illegally (I would never of thought to play a ES game at all) and my Fallout 3 was free to play because I borrowed it from a friend but then I bought Fallout NV because i enjoyed Fallout 3 unfortunately my computer is too old to play Fallout 4 but I would play it if I could.

I would never... ever play this game if it was a subscription, go on call me lazy and unmotovated player. A dirty casual if you will. I don't agree with a subscription model and a subscription model doesn't work with how my life is atm. I can't buy a new computer...remember. But I can spend $30 for at least 6 months of entertainment.

The company needs to make money, if you are impatient or find inventory management difficult or really really want to look cool. ZoS gives you the option to spend money for the privieadge. I don't need the DLC I haven't finished the main story yet why would I need to pay for it right now? I don't need a craft bag because I have tons of gold and I am constantly selling all my mats to make that gold, because I just haven't been playing long enough to have 9 traits on anything or level up alchemy.
As long as the store is not pay to win I am all for it and whatever they want to put in there.

The only issue I feel is a must fix right now is the server and lag issues, that is actively effecting gameplay and If they don't deal with it they will start losing players and that is bad for everyone.

Finally someone that understands what's going on.

AdamBourke · January 2017

robertthebard wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Game is F2P on PC. Not on PS4.

Again, you need to switch consoles, if the only thing your PS account covers is ESO.

You need xbox live gold to play ESO on Xbox One (according to the ESO website). This is a paid service.

How is it different from PS+? They are virtually the same - allowing online play and giving a couple of free games each month.

notimetocare · January 2017

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Paid 80 bucks for the base game.
Pay 10 per month, could also buy DLC for 20 each.
Free to play? Lolwhat?

Aside from the base game (which it seems like you bought the CE lol) none of that is required to play

Emencie · January 2017

Remag_Div wrote: »

Emencie wrote: »

I literally never hear(read) the phrase B2P anywhere else but the ESO forums.

Everyone else calls this type of game mode F2P, even the GW2 boards call their game F2P

I wonder why so many people here are obsessed with this B2P.

What I wonder is how people are so dense that they cannot understand the difference.

Free to Play - can download the game for free and play with no monthly fees
Buy to Play - requires money to download the game with no monthly fees

The difference is easily understood...

It's just that no one calls it that. Most people think of games like wildstar, GW2, ESO, and so forth as F2P. Because no one says B2P except here.

It's like when people call a tomato a fruit. Yes it's technically right, but when someone says, "Get me a fruit from the store." They are not generally talking about tomatoes.

robertthebard · January 2017

AdamBourke wrote: »

robertthebard wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Game is F2P on PC. Not on PS4.

Again, you need to switch consoles, if the only thing your PS account covers is ESO.

You need xbox live gold to play ESO on Xbox One (according to the ESO website). This is a paid service.

How is it different from PS+? They are virtually the same - allowing online play and giving a couple of free games each month.

I wasn't aware. However, I do know that ESO isn't even mentioned in the all the ads for Gold on my 360, despite how much they try to sell me an xbox one, or one s now, I guess. If I was looking at playing ESO on my console, armed with that information, I'd buy it on PC, which I did, but not because of that. I won't, however, be adding the cost of my Internet to the cost of playing ESO.

MyKillv2.0 · January 2017

The rage over this motif is crazy...I have literally seen people name call those who bought the motif a f***tard, other claim those who buy are the reason the game stinks, and at least two dozen claim that this is the last straw and they are quitting (though for some reason I keep seeing them rage posting about the issue after they have quit according to their own words).

However OP if they want to be mad....let them be mad. Telling someone not to be mad is stupid and quite honestly offensive. You should not tell someone how to feel. As silly as I think some members of this forum are acting...they have as much right to feel that, as anyone disagrees with them has the right to feel the way they do. Neither should be forced to be silenced.

On the same token, if someone wants to pay 6k for a motif you can farm for free...let them do it. It isn't like by wearing this flashy new motif that they gain any sort of advantage in the game.

S1ipperyJim · January 2017

Spottswoode wrote: »

No, I'm saying that the distinction is semantics.

Semantics eh? I'm sure you chose that word to imply it makes no difference whether ESO is F2P or B2P.

Walk into your local game store, snatch a copy of ESO off the shelf and walk out with it and you will soon find out if they agree with you that whether you pay for a game or take it for free is merely a semantic difference.

In the case of this thread, the difference in meaning between B2P and F2P (eg 'semantics') is important as they are different business models which consumers have different expectations of.

robertthebard · January 2017

reapthetempestrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Spottswoode wrote: »

No, I'm saying that the distinction is semantics.

Semantics eh? I'm sure you chose that word to imply it makes no difference whether ESO is F2P or B2P.

Walk into your local game store, snatch a copy of ESO off the shelf and walk out with it and you will soon find out if they agree with you that whether you pay for a game or take it for free is merely a semantic difference.

In the case of this thread, the difference in meaning between B2P and F2P (eg 'semantics') is important as they are different business models which consumers have different expectations of.

How so? I expect that, if I don't log in for several months, and don't pay my sub in the interim, I won't be told that I need an account, because the game's now F2P for me, I already own it. I won't be able to play the DB and Thieve's Guild stuff that I've been playing, but guess what, the same applies to my F2P account in DDO, since I don't own the expansions over there either. Does that make DDO B2P now too? I'm not sure if you're fishing for some kind of pat on the back for buying a game, or what, but once the game's installed, it's F2P, you don't have to pay ZoS anything else. If you're going to pay for xbox or ps premium services just to play ESO, you are exactly the kind of consumer this cash shop is aimed at.

Abeille · January 2017

Emencie wrote: »

I literally never hear(read) the phrase B2P anywhere else but the ESO forums.

Everyone else calls this type of game mode F2P, even the GW2 boards call their game F2P

I wonder why so many people here are obsessed with this B2P.

The GW2 boards call their game F2P because GW2 is F2P. It has been F2P for almost a year now. And before the conversion happened, it used to be B2P and, like every MMO that has a box price but not a subscription do, they used that term. And anyone that used F2P instead of B2P on the boards were promptly corrected, too. I know because I was there pretty much every day from beta up to the release of the expansion pack.

GW2 went free to play with the release of their first expansion pack by offering free accounts with several limitations regarding trading and social interaction, but with access to all of the base game.