Don't Complain about Crown Store, this is a Free to Play game after all.

reguvin

People are forgetting that ESO is a Free to Play Game,

Would you rather spend Real money to play ESO?

The Crown Store does not include any items that are Pay to Win.

I support them 100% by adding Motifs, Mounts, Crafted pieces onto the Store.

Asmael

It's B2P.

Just sayin'.

Cpt_Teemo

B2p, yeah not F2p yet.

Lord-Otto

Paid 80 bucks for the base game.
Pay 10 per month, could also buy DLC for 20 each.
Free to play? Lolwhat?

Sigtric

reguvin wrote: »

People are forgetting that ESO is a Free to Play Game,

Would you rather spend Real money to play ESO?

The Crown Store does not include any items that are Pay to Win.

I support them 100% by adding Motifs, Mounts, Crafted pieces onto the Store.

You have almost zero grasp on the reality of what is happening and has people enraged.

And as mentioned above it is not f2p, there is still a (albeit sometimes very minimal) paywall to get into the game.

Elsonso

B2P is F2P with an entry fee.

Danksta

reguvin wrote: »

People are forgetting that ESO is a Free to Play Game,

Would you rather spend Real money to play ESO?

The Crown Store does not include any items that are Pay to Win.

I support them 100% by adding Motifs, Mounts, Crafted pieces onto the Store.

Yes, I'd prefer it was a forced subscription. With that being said I don't have much issue with the CS except I think the crown crates are a little sleezy, but that's just my opinion.

Also not sure it's exactly right to call it F2P since I paid $60 for the game.

phairdon

as others said, b2p....with the option to subscribe.

reguvin

Still,

Making Gold in ESO is extremely simple. It would take you 1 day of farming to get a full Motif from ingame Vendors or Players.

Danikat

I came to say the exact same thing - buy to play is not the same as free to play.

But also it's not like there are only 2 options - games don't have to have a mandatory subscription and then make everything free or have a cash shop and use every tactic ever invented to get players to spend money there.

There's probably as many different business models as there are games. Even cash shops aren't all the same. Some are purely cosmetics with no impact on gameplay, some (like ESO) are a mix of cosmetics and convenience items, or they can be pure pay-to-win (selling better equipment than you can get in-game for example), or screwing players over with things like mounts and costumes which 'expire' after a certain time or a mix of things.

So I think it makes complete sense to let ZOS know which ideas we're happy with and which we don't like so they can try to strike the right balance between making a profit and keeping their customers happy. (And in the long run getting that right will make more of a profit.)

Cpt_Teemo

reguvin wrote: »

Still,

Making Gold in ESO is extremely simple. It would take you 1 day of farming to get a full Motif from ingame Vendors or Players.

Or possibly longer if your brand new

reguvin

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

reguvin wrote: »

Still,

Making Gold in ESO is extremely simple. It would take you 1 day of farming to get a full Motif from ingame Vendors or Players.

Or possibly longer if your brand new

A brand new Player needs to focus on reaching Max Level first.

alexkdd99

People are rambling on about is b2p, which technically they are right. But the price of the game has dropped so much that it might as well be f2p at this point.

Right now the only thing the small price is doing is putting a small damper on bots. Which hopefully the game will keep the current course.

Gandrhulf_Harbard

reguvin wrote: »

People are forgetting that ESO is a Free to Play Game,

Would you rather spend Real money to play ESO?

The Crown Store does not include any items that are Pay to Win.

I support them 100% by adding Motifs, Mounts, Crafted pieces onto the Store.

If the choice is Buy To Play and the Crown Store as it is now with everything at least 10 times more expensive than is anything like reasonable, or a Pay To Play Monthly Sub, I'll go for the Monthly Sub thanks.

Heck, I'm paying it anyway for the Craft Bag.

All The Best

S1ipperyJim

Don't tell the community what they can and can't complain about, especially if you're too ignorant to know the difference between F2P and B2P

Luigi_Vampa

Yes, I would rather sub. I sub now and I wish the game was still sub based. I don't like the crown store. I would prefer everything be attainable in game, either with gold or preferably with unlocking it through quests, achievements etc... I think sub based games do a slightly better job at filtering out trolls and lazy players who want everything handed to them without having to play the game.

AlMcFly

OP Failed. He forgot this game required his parents' credit card to buy the base game.

Elsonso

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alexkdd99 wrote: »

People are rambling on about is b2p, which technically they are right. But the price of the game has dropped so much that it might as well be f2p at this point.

Right now the only thing the small price is doing is putting a small damper on bots. Which hopefully the game will keep the current course.

I doubt that it is even putting a damper on bots. All it is doing is making the ESO accounts have some value. They are not worthless. That does not mean that a child cannot steal enough from Mom's purse, when she isn't looking, to buy this game.

Unless talking about the price of the game, B2P and F2P can be used interchangeably when talking about ESO.

Sigtric

Danksta wrote: »

reguvin wrote: »

People are forgetting that ESO is a Free to Play Game,

Would you rather spend Real money to play ESO?

The Crown Store does not include any items that are Pay to Win.

I support them 100% by adding Motifs, Mounts, Crafted pieces onto the Store.

Yes, I'd prefer it was a forced subscription. With that being said I don't have much issue with the CS except I think the crown crates are a little sleezy, but that's just my opinion.

Also not sure it's exactly right to call it F2P since I paid $60 for the game.

I'll hop on board with this too. I'd much rather no CS and it be a full subscription game as well.

robertthebard

Typhoios wrote: »

Yes, I would rather sub. I sub now and I wish the game was still sub based. I don't like the crown store. I would prefer everything be attainable in game, either with gold or preferably with unlocking it through quests, achievements etc... I think sub based games do a slightly better job at filtering out trolls and lazy players who want everything handed to them without having to play the game.

Ha ha, this is hilarious. Let me guess, this is your first MMO? I played the closed betas for Aion, and there were already gold spammers in game, even though all those characters were going to be deleted before the game went live. Who is it, do you suppose, that they are selling that gold to? Do you think it's the highly motivated players that paid for the game, and their subs, or the people that paid for the game, and didn't want to work for anything?

In other news, I won't be burning up any money on the crates, nor will I be in a rush to get the motif. The former is too risky, and this isn't even the first game that's got 'em for me to know that, and the latter is too rich for my blood, for a cosmetic appearance. I don't begrudge the prices, or the existence of either, however, as the company has to be making money in order to be able to continue development on the game.

Spottswoode

Kyle1983b14_ESO wrote: »

B2p, yeah not F2p yet.

reapthetempestrwb17_ESO wrote: »

Don't tell the community what they can and can't complain about, especially if you're too ignorant to know the difference between F2P and B2P

You'll have to forgive some of us if we don't acknowledge a broad sweeping distinction between the two.

idk

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Paid 80 bucks for the base game.
Pay 10 per month, could also buy DLC for 20 each.
Free to play? Lolwhat?

@Lord-Otto

your right in pointing out it is B2P but it is also a game one does not have to pay anything after the small purchase of the game itself which is part of the reason the crown store exists.

Humorous the people who think they know the business better than Zos when the pricing is obviously working well for Zos.

Luigi_Vampa

robertthebard wrote: »

Typhoios wrote: »

Yes, I would rather sub. I sub now and I wish the game was still sub based. I don't like the crown store. I would prefer everything be attainable in game, either with gold or preferably with unlocking it through quests, achievements etc... I think sub based games do a slightly better job at filtering out trolls and lazy players who want everything handed to them without having to play the game.

Ha ha, this is hilarious. Let me guess, this is your first MMO? I played the closed betas for Aion, and there were already gold spammers in game, even though all those characters were going to be deleted before the game went live. Who is it, do you suppose, that they are selling that gold to? Do you think it's the highly motivated players that paid for the game, and their subs, or the people that paid for the game, and didn't want to work for anything?

In other news, I won't be burning up any money on the crates, nor will I be in a rush to get the motif. The former is too risky, and this isn't even the first game that's got 'em for me to know that, and the latter is too rich for my blood, for a cosmetic appearance. I don't begrudge the prices, or the existence of either, however, as the company has to be making money in order to be able to continue development on the game.

Nope, not my first mmo. I didn't say sub based games only bring in highly motivated players. I said they do a slightly better job at filtering out some people. Slightly. Better. Job. That phrase leaves a lot of wiggle room for gold sellers, trolls and lazy players to slip through. From my experience in mmos, the community is usually better when it is a mandatory sub, and not b2p or f2p. F2p games are the absolute worst when it comes to community.

I would argue that players that sub are more loyal, more dedicated and care more about the health of the game than those that don't sub. I however don't have any data or evidence to support this, so I won't argue it as an objective fact.

As for your closed beta, anyone that would pay for gold in a beta is a complete moron, and nothing could explain their idiotic actions or their motivations.

mb10

Free to play?

I dont remember ZOS handing out the game disc or sending me my one to my front door...

mb10

reguvin wrote: »

People are forgetting that ESO is a Free to Play Game,

Would you rather spend Real money to play ESO?

The Crown Store does not include any items that are Pay to Win.

I support them 100% by adding Motifs, Mounts, Crafted pieces onto the Store.

Wait hold on LOL, you're that guy that sells gold motifs on PS4 EU for millions??

That explains why you're *for* paying real life money for motifs. You just want to basically legally buy in game gold.

KochDerDamonen

The game is Buy to Play
When you add in the DLCs it costs even more

scummy cash shop practices kill games.

Juhasow

F2P ? It's B2P and even then if You want to have full fun of the game it would be nice for You to buy DLC's and have craft bag via purchasing subscription atleast once.

Vipstaakki

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Paid 80 bucks for the base game.
Pay 10 per month, could also buy DLC for 20 each.
Free to play? Lolwhat?

You paid 80 bucks?
I paid just 20 bucks.

AlMcFly

Vipstaakki wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Paid 80 bucks for the base game.
Pay 10 per month, could also buy DLC for 20 each.
Free to play? Lolwhat?

You paid 80 bucks?
I paid just 20 bucks.

Some of us have been here since launch.

JKorr

reguvin wrote: »

People are forgetting that ESO is a Free to Play Game,

Would you rather spend Real money to play ESO?

The Crown Store does not include any items that are Pay to Win.

I support them 100% by adding Motifs, Mounts, Crafted pieces onto the Store.

You shoplifted your copy?

If not, then you had to buy the game.

You got your copy as a gift from someone else? Still not free; unless that person stole it, they paid for it.

Free to play; go to website and download the game. Play for nothing until you have to pay real money for items or access to new zones in the game.

Congrats to the people who bought it cheap. But the people who bought it cheap still "bought" it, so not free to play, OP.

Also OP, congrats for your rather lopsided concept of support. I've been with the game since early access when it was definitely NOT buy to play; I have the tiger for subbing, along with every other senche they've offered for sale in the crown store, and several of the costumes and outfits that I liked.

"Would I rather spend real money"....I had no idea that I was spending fake money to pre-order the imperial edition, sub all those months, and buy all the stuff from the crown store that I bought.

Banana

No ones telling me I cant complain.