Cheat Engine and VMA and You

rotaugen454

ArchMikem wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Good times when everyone who is good at the game is being accused of cheating

I mentioned in a thread a couple weeks ago that I soloed Veteran Direfrost Keep, and even that was called "suspicious" by some.

In regards to vMSA, yes OP, some people really are that much better/faster than you are. They have done it hundreds and hundreds of times.

Isnt Direfrost one of the dungeons that require multiple players or else you cant progress? So yeah, the suspicion is legit.

Actually, someone pointed out in another thread a way to bypass the multiple player mechanic. I think it involved Magnum Shot from a bow, but I'm not sure.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Yes, StreakOne is better than you and he really is that good.

DisgracefulMind

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Yes, StreakOne is better than you and he really is that good.

He has his full stamsorc run uploaded on youtube for anyone who doubts him as well (:

Oreyn_Bearclaw

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Yes, StreakOne is better than you and he really is that good.

He has his full stamsorc run uploaded on youtube for anyone who doubts him as well (:

He has full runs on most classes posted. I ran with him a lot back in the day. He would pull 40k when 25k was a solid number. He just simply never misses a DOT or Buff and his positioning is perfect.

His success in VMA is no accident. He simply has every spawn memorized and knows exactly how much damage he needs to do to everything before he moves on to the next one. He can do this because he has literally been in there thousands of times. Even on most boss fights, he is halfway to the portal before the boss finally drops from his DOTs. He knows the arena so well, which makes it easy to transfer his success from one class to the other. Some of the other guys like Sir Andy are no different. They just arent playing the same game as the rest of us.

Woeler

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Yes, StreakOne is better than you and he really is that good.

Same for Andy.S on EU.

alexkdd99

SanSan wrote: »

I don't get why these cheat/hacking programs aren't illegal or taken down.

Because the world isn't controlled by a communist regime?

It is not against the law to cheat on video games, nor should it be. So what grounds would they have to take down a website? I would dread the day it was illegal to cheat on a video game.(I mean illegal as in punishable by law) such as the person I quoted was suggesting.

For information regarding cheat engine I believe they have a stickied post, or atleast they did.

Lukums1

Thank you for noticing I'm on the boards every week with 3 classes (at this time) LOL. ( just joking )

I'm no where near the top, but you gotta think after 500 + times we all have it down pat the arena becomes more and more of a complete joke.

It's not hard to leaderboard at all.

It surprises me to this day that the weekly DK spots are never completely full, amazing.

FriedEggSandwich

alexkdd99 wrote: »

SanSan wrote: »

I don't get why these cheat/hacking programs aren't illegal or taken down.

Because the world isn't controlled by a communist regime?

It is not against the law to cheat on video games, nor should it be. So what grounds would they have to take down a website? I would dread the day it was illegal to cheat on a video game.(I mean illegal as in punishable by law) such as the person I quoted was suggesting.

For information regarding cheat engine I believe they have a stickied post, or atleast they did.

While I agree with you (athletes don't get locked up for cheating, they get banned), you'd think that game developers would have some grounds for legal action against anyone creating software that broke their product. Do consumers not have rights when parting with money for a product? I no little about legal stuff though. I think that maybe things pertaining to the internet are behind most other things when it comes to laws.

zyk

alexkdd99 wrote: »

It is not against the law to cheat on video games, nor should it be. So what grounds would they have to take down a website? I would dread the day it was illegal to cheat on a video game.(I mean illegal as in punishable by law) such as the person I quoted was suggesting.

That may be untrue, actually. My understanding is that it's a largely untested legal area, but there are laws that are relevant and better companies than Zenimax have taken action:

This is far from the first time a game maker has used the legal system to go after cheating services. Back in 2009, Blizzard successfully used the DMCA to shut down Glider, a popular World of Warcraft bot service. More recently, Blizzard has filed a lawsuit against Buddy Bot, a popular Overwatch cheating tool. And last month, Epic Games sued the creator of "the world's most powerful hack for Paragon," using similar legal reasoning.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/08/league-of-legends-maker-goes-to-court-to-stop-cheat-programs/

However, a person with basic technical knowledge can memory hack with only basic development tools. It is up to the developer to implement solutions to prevent, detect or mitigate memory hacking and other forms of cheating.

In the case of ESO, it is ZOS that is negligent. None of the methods used to cheat in ESO are new or poorly understood. ZOS simply chose to ignore the issue.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Woeler wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Yes, StreakOne is better than you and he really is that good.

Same for Andy.S on EU.

@Woeler, he got a shout out in my follow up post. haha. Both of them are insane. I just happen to know jace, so he got the shoutout first.

KingYogi415

I suggested pc players show their stats before starting a score run.

To prove validity.

Got called ignorant and rude...

Cheers!

diskiukas

I am not accusing anyone and it certainly there are much better players than me, but I am amazed how little damage Daedroths, other mobs or even White Ghost in the last stage, do in these videos. I completed VMA myself, but still it is hard content for me that takes few hours to do and I cannot even dream about Flawless. My dps is fine and I know mechanics, but some things you cannot avoid unless you are robot and how much damage I take compared to those guys in videos is huge difference.
Take PVP as example. There are tanks that can take damage forever, but they rarely kill someone, I get that, they invest in sustain. One shot hitters, they hit hard, but if you survive and keep them out of stealth, they are easy to kill, i get that , they invest in doing burst damage. Players that run with immortal groups, whenever you run into them 1 on 1 , usually they are not that immortal, i get that, they use and slot things that beneficial to group play and its not same thing as solo play. I get all that, what I dont get, the ones that hit like a truck and still can take big beating from several players, without their health depleting much. I am not saying its not possible, but we know we have to sacrifice somewhere something.

alexkdd99

zyk wrote: »

alexkdd99 wrote: »

It is not against the law to cheat on video games, nor should it be. So what grounds would they have to take down a website? I would dread the day it was illegal to cheat on a video game.(I mean illegal as in punishable by law) such as the person I quoted was suggesting.

That may be untrue, actually. My understanding is that it's a largely untested legal area, but there are laws that are relevant and better companies than Zenimax have taken action:

This is far from the first time a game maker has used the legal system to go after cheating services. Back in 2009, Blizzard successfully used the DMCA to shut down Glider, a popular World of Warcraft bot service. More recently, Blizzard has filed a lawsuit against Buddy Bot, a popular Overwatch cheating tool. And last month, Epic Games sued the creator of "the world's most powerful hack for Paragon," using similar legal reasoning.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/08/league-of-legends-maker-goes-to-court-to-stop-cheat-programs/

However, a person with basic technical knowledge can memory hack with only basic development tools. It is up to the developer to implement solutions to prevent, detect or mitigate memory hacking and other forms of cheating.

In the case of ESO, it is ZOS that is negligent. None of the methods used to cheat in ESO are new or poorly understood. ZOS simply chose to ignore the issue.

Those are the makers of the program being sued I believe. They were also charging money for the program as well. Was a great read anyways.

I was more referring to a user being arrested and jailed for cheating. The grounds that they used to sue the programs creator make sense. The different complaints mentioned go far beyond just cheating imo.

LegacyDM

SanSan wrote: »

I don't get why these cheat/hacking programs aren't illegal or taken down.

Comes down to intent. The guy who designed and promotes ce is smart. If you google search his website He puts a disclaimer out there that says use at your own risk and do not use for online multiplayer games. He is promoting it for single player game use only. If ZOS sued or took legal action they would have to prove without doubt that he designed it for malicious intent for the sole use of hacking their game.

Now in blizzards case they were able to win their lawsuits because the sole intent of the wow bots was to disrupt and use for wow against the terms of agreement. That is what a bot does. No one uses bots for single player games. Same goes for aim buddy in overwatch. It's being advertised and solely used as a cheat for overwatch. Also overwatch is a real esport. Big money in gaming competitions. Can't have a non blizzard sanctioned product ruining their competitive tournament profits.

starkerealm

SanSan wrote: »

I don't get why these cheat/hacking programs aren't illegal or taken down.

The really short reason is because the basic structure of tools like Cheat Engine and what they're designed to do.

These are programs designed to access and modify active memory locations. Now, CE is specifically marketed at gamers, but the basic software design is (or at least "can be") an incredibly useful diagnostic tool for programmers who are debugging large chunks of code.

So, in the case of CE and other memory editors, they're going to persist because there's an actual, legitimate, use for them.

MEBengalsFan2001

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

I know the cheat engine is alive and well in this game or some other cheat, seen a guy in craglorn jumping way up in the air and back down and when he seen me he stopped, like other have pointed out seems like zos does not want to spend the money or the effort to get rid of cheaters, I guess they do not understand how this hurts the game and the bad reputation they get from letting cheaters have free reign in the game.

Other companies go to great lengths to get rid of cheaters and exploiters not zos all are welcome here it seems, this place is turning to a wretched hive of scum and villainy

In pvp when I am encountering known cheaters I just move some where else, to me denying the cheaters a chance to get easy AP is a win to me. It's a shame they at exploiting the leaderboard in pve.

I remember the day the cheat engine was exposed in pvp, all those, god like players died like everyone else, maybe a little easier because they had been using that cheat crutch for so long, we had a week of great pvp and it even felt balanced, with the cheat engine does not matter what zos does when it comes to balance can't have balance with cheater programs running. Now lets throw in that intrusive add on I wonder if zos will ever adjust the API to cancel that out.

There are good players in this game even a few pro players, but they are over shadowed by the cheaters that run rampant in this game.

IMO anything that is not from the company that produce the game is a cheating item. I heard about PC players using tools to acquire specific things like Skyshards and using programs that run with the game to know where to grind for content to gain specific items. Also, PC player having an app to assist with knowing when buff are off, etc...All of these in there own way are CHEATS! They are giving you an unfair advantage over players who don't use 3rd party software to make the game easier.

With all that said, IMO, if you are using any 3rd part app that reads data from the game to make the game EASIER regardless of how its benefits the players should receive a short term ban of 3 days for the first offense. Second offense would be one week. Third offense would be one month and forth would be a permanent ban.

I know I probably get heat for that but let me go one step further with my ideas on cheat. KEY SHORTCUTS in a MMO game IMO are also cheats. Macros to exact. Another thing that should be result in a ban to keep players honest.

These are of course my opinion and I feel this way as I dislike anything that provide any body an unfair advantage over other players when not offered by the MMO developer.

laksikus

StackonClown wrote: »

Well the 'explanation' I read was that "my gameplay is so fast that ZOS said I was speedhacking" - i.e. the Ben Johnson defence

there were actually people banned for speedhacking, who never cheated in any way, simply by stacking speed sets.
Even now its possible to sprint faster than some horses ride, and before 1T it was even easier.

Orc+Steed+Dreugh king+VO+minor+major expedition+cp+ww
10+7,5+30+30+10+30+2

thats like 220% of movement speed + WW, where i dont know exact numbers



Apart from that. i dont think highscores used cheats. certainly not for regen, you dont need it, certeinly not for ulti, cos you would see it in their videos, even if they somehow let their proc sets proc mroe often you would see it.


@MEBengalsFan2001
is a better internet also a cheat? afetr all it gives a certain advantage over people that dont have it, its 3rd party, and you are using a router, a 3rd party devise to send and recieve commands.

Cyrediath

Only last few weeks i start to see lots of 100-200 cp players with flawless conqueror title. I want to believe that its legit but just today i saw 3 people less than 300cp. I hope thats legit. I just hope.

And one of them told me he/she run vma with spinner+lich also warewolf magicka sorcerer.

laksikus

Cyrediath wrote: »

Only last few weeks i start to see lots of 100-200 cp players with flawless conqueror title. I want to believe that its legit but just today i saw 3 people less than 300cp. I hope thats legit. I just hope.

And one of them told me he/she run vma with spinner+lich also warewolf magicka sorcerer.

why shouldnt it be legit? its easy as *** if you know what you do, and it doesnt require cp just, the knowledge of mechanics.

there are even people out ther on lvl 20s with flawless, without all skills and passives. so why not a cp300

Danksta

laksikus wrote: »

Cyrediath wrote: »

Only last few weeks i start to see lots of 100-200 cp players with flawless conqueror title. I want to believe that its legit but just today i saw 3 people less than 300cp. I hope thats legit. I just hope.

And one of them told me he/she run vma with spinner+lich also warewolf magicka sorcerer.

why shouldnt it be legit? its easy as *** if you know what you do, and it doesnt require cp just, the knowledge of mechanics.

there are even people out ther on lvl 20s with flawless, without all skills and passives. so why not a cp300

Level 20's obviously not legit, since you can't do vet content until level 50.

Zagnut123Zagnut123

@MEBengalsFan2001 i guess you dont realize that these 3rd party programs are called addons. Addons are sanctioned and encouraged by ZOS to the extent that the release there code (some of it) so people can make helpful additions. They also tend to alter there code if they feel a addon is too intrusive.

So not only does ZOS allow this but a good majority of the population wants them including console players. Take this however you wants but just because choose to are it as a cheat doesnt mean anything unless the developerd do as well.

laksikus

Danksta wrote: »

laksikus wrote: »

Cyrediath wrote: »

Only last few weeks i start to see lots of 100-200 cp players with flawless conqueror title. I want to believe that its legit but just today i saw 3 people less than 300cp. I hope thats legit. I just hope.

And one of them told me he/she run vma with spinner+lich also warewolf magicka sorcerer.

why shouldnt it be legit? its easy as *** if you know what you do, and it doesnt require cp just, the knowledge of mechanics.

there are even people out ther on lvl 20s with flawless, without all skills and passives. so why not a cp300

Level 20's obviously not legit, since you can't do vet content until level 50.

it is. i have done it myself on one. its not possible anymore, but certainly was before soth.
same as nonvet monster helmet, whiich is still possible i think

Amica

I did this on another game i played when i myself got sick of the excessive exploiting with CE. I spent a few days toying around with the program and then posted a "how to" for everyone to us it. They had three choices, let it happen, Ban everyone or FIX THE PROBLEM. (Note: yes i got banned from the forums and that game for a few weeks. No big deal really... but they also fixed it while i was banned)

So just throwing it out their as a potential fix to the issue...

Zagnut123Zagnut123

Amica wrote: »

I did this on another game i played when i myself got sick of the excessive exploiting with CE. I spent a few days toying around with the program and then posted a "how to" for everyone to us it. They had three choices, let it happen, Ban everyone or FIX THE PROBLEM. (Note: yes i got banned from the forums and that game for a few weeks. No big deal really... but they also fixed it while i was banned)

So just throwing it out their as a potential fix to the issue...

A whole guild took it upon them selves last spring. Im not entirely sure what exactly they did (if anything) but there hasnt been as much flaggrent cheating since. If certain values are calculated client side Im sure people are still using it.

GreenhaloX

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

StackonClown wrote: »

Maybe Lance Armstrong was that good at the Tour de France?

For every 2 or 3 people that were wearing "live strong" bracelets and cheering at Lance... there were some of us that were suspicious or just flat out knew he was doping.

It's a hard line to define, many reasonable people will fall for amazing performance above others as natural...

StackonClown wrote: »

Hi Folks,

I've been watching the ESO VMA leaderboards quite a bit lately and interestingly, I see some familiar names repeatedly appearing on top or near the top for weeks or months on end and even for all 4 classes...

Are these players really that much better than every one else that they are forever on top of the leaderboards?

Yes, they do post their builds and upload youtube videos with heavy metal music playing, but beyond that can anyone say for certain that these people are not using something like Cheat Engine, even at times? or even to collect VMA weapons and then use those to do further VMA runs?

So my question is, does ZOS actively monitor VMA for cheat engine or other 3rd party tools?

For VMA in particular, given that it is Solo content, then only ZOS can detect cheating, if indeed they are able. - does this happen?

Has anyone ever been banned for cheating on VMA??

I also note that a number of the VMA players who load 'im cool at vma' videos have *surprise* been banned in the past for, guess what, cheating.
I found it curious when the colorful and inventive excuses came out, such as, "my gameplay is so fast that ZOS thinks I'm cheating - lol"/

These players even seemed to have some *fans* who jumped in to support them and vouch for them being 'legit' and demanded ZOS to unban them.
AS IF, that will convince the rest of us.

I know this might come across as cynical or pessimistic, but I'd prefer that over being naive.

If people claim cheating is rife on PVP, why wouldn't those same cheaters do the same in VMA, where they are playing SOLO??

- Stax

Ha ha. I've been mentioning similar numerous times. Not just in vMA, but other vet contents, like vMoL and certain vet dungeons as well, showing solo or group breezing through those in no time flat and the toons barely get scratched in health while pommeling the adds and bosses (which ranges from 5-80 mil) like hot sun's ray through a magnifying glass on ants.

Wollust wrote: »

Good times when everyone who is good at the game is being accused of cheating

Nahhh, not everyone. Just those suspicious toons that appear to have' higher power/dps and skill capability, that doesn't seem too normal from what you can accomplished when playing ESO normally with what are available normally in ESO. Lots of us have been playing ESO long enough to know what build, armor and weapon sets, and skills are available and capable in ESO. Lots of us have ran contents, from vMA, vDSA, vet dungeons and vet trials, enough times to know that no toons are normally capable of completing with such high power/dps while barely getting scratched, when you know you are being hit from all sides and angles by hard hitting adds, mobs and bosses.

However, could be that some are just that good. On consoles, such as PS4, where supposedly it is very difficult to download/install in CE, but there are Flawless Conquerors running around in PS4 ESO land. So, sorc are that powerful when overload skill are enabling them to smash out 57k and upwards strikes and sustaining that during their rotations. Guess that's why many are saying Sorc are the preferred class to run in vMA and vet trials.

laksikus

GreenhaloX wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

StackonClown wrote: »

Maybe Lance Armstrong was that good at the Tour de France?

For every 2 or 3 people that were wearing "live strong" bracelets and cheering at Lance... there were some of us that were suspicious or just flat out knew he was doping.

It's a hard line to define, many reasonable people will fall for amazing performance above others as natural...

StackonClown wrote: »

Hi Folks,

I've been watching the ESO VMA leaderboards quite a bit lately and interestingly, I see some familiar names repeatedly appearing on top or near the top for weeks or months on end and even for all 4 classes...

Are these players really that much better than every one else that they are forever on top of the leaderboards?

Yes, they do post their builds and upload youtube videos with heavy metal music playing, but beyond that can anyone say for certain that these people are not using something like Cheat Engine, even at times? or even to collect VMA weapons and then use those to do further VMA runs?

So my question is, does ZOS actively monitor VMA for cheat engine or other 3rd party tools?

For VMA in particular, given that it is Solo content, then only ZOS can detect cheating, if indeed they are able. - does this happen?

Has anyone ever been banned for cheating on VMA??

I also note that a number of the VMA players who load 'im cool at vma' videos have *surprise* been banned in the past for, guess what, cheating.
I found it curious when the colorful and inventive excuses came out, such as, "my gameplay is so fast that ZOS thinks I'm cheating - lol"/

These players even seemed to have some *fans* who jumped in to support them and vouch for them being 'legit' and demanded ZOS to unban them.
AS IF, that will convince the rest of us.

I know this might come across as cynical or pessimistic, but I'd prefer that over being naive.

If people claim cheating is rife on PVP, why wouldn't those same cheaters do the same in VMA, where they are playing SOLO??

- Stax

Ha ha. I've been mentioning similar numerous times. Not just in vMA, but other vet contents, like vMoL and certain vet dungeons as well, showing solo or group breezing through those in no time flat and the toons barely get scratched in health while pommeling the adds and bosses (which ranges from 5-80 mil) like hot sun's ray through a magnifying glass on ants.

Wollust wrote: »

Good times when everyone who is good at the game is being accused of cheating

Nahhh, not everyone. Just those suspicious toons that appear to have' higher power/dps and skill capability, that doesn't seem too normal from what you can accomplished when playing ESO normally with what are available normally in ESO. Lots of us have been playing ESO long enough to know what build, armor and weapon sets, and skills are available and capable in ESO. Lots of us have ran contents, from vMA, vDSA, vet dungeons and vet trials, enough times to know that no toons are normally capable of completing with such high power/dps while barely getting scratched, when you know you are being hit from all sides and angles by hard hitting adds, mobs and bosses.

However, could be that some are just that good. On consoles, such as PS4, where supposedly it is very difficult to download/install in CE, but there are Flawless Conquerors running around in PS4 ESO land. So, sorc are that powerful when overload skill are enabling them to smash out 57k and upwards strikes and sustaining that during their rotations. Guess that's why many are saying Sorc are the preferred class to run in vMA and vet trials.

Nobody uses overload in vet trials. And vma Leaders are all stamsorcs

GreenhaloX

laksikus wrote: »

Nobody uses overload in vet trials. And vma Leaders are all stamsorcs

Ha ha, maybe I'm misinterpreting what an overload skill is then, or when 57k to 62k are repeatedly showing up throughout from a sorc during a vet trials on one of those, look at how good and fast we can complete vMol, clip. Even using Molag Kena's proc and clever alchemist, no way you're hitting close to that, with a stam DK or DW nightblade. Whatever skill is used to buff up such high damages, sorc, stam or maj, are overpowered compared to other classes.

Wollust

GreenhaloX wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

StackonClown wrote: »

Maybe Lance Armstrong was that good at the Tour de France?

For every 2 or 3 people that were wearing "live strong" bracelets and cheering at Lance... there were some of us that were suspicious or just flat out knew he was doping.

It's a hard line to define, many reasonable people will fall for amazing performance above others as natural...

StackonClown wrote: »

Hi Folks,

I've been watching the ESO VMA leaderboards quite a bit lately and interestingly, I see some familiar names repeatedly appearing on top or near the top for weeks or months on end and even for all 4 classes...

Are these players really that much better than every one else that they are forever on top of the leaderboards?

Yes, they do post their builds and upload youtube videos with heavy metal music playing, but beyond that can anyone say for certain that these people are not using something like Cheat Engine, even at times? or even to collect VMA weapons and then use those to do further VMA runs?

So my question is, does ZOS actively monitor VMA for cheat engine or other 3rd party tools?

For VMA in particular, given that it is Solo content, then only ZOS can detect cheating, if indeed they are able. - does this happen?

Has anyone ever been banned for cheating on VMA??

I also note that a number of the VMA players who load 'im cool at vma' videos have *surprise* been banned in the past for, guess what, cheating.
I found it curious when the colorful and inventive excuses came out, such as, "my gameplay is so fast that ZOS thinks I'm cheating - lol"/

These players even seemed to have some *fans* who jumped in to support them and vouch for them being 'legit' and demanded ZOS to unban them.
AS IF, that will convince the rest of us.

I know this might come across as cynical or pessimistic, but I'd prefer that over being naive.

If people claim cheating is rife on PVP, why wouldn't those same cheaters do the same in VMA, where they are playing SOLO??

- Stax

Ha ha. I've been mentioning similar numerous times. Not just in vMA, but other vet contents, like vMoL and certain vet dungeons as well, showing solo or group breezing through those in no time flat and the toons barely get scratched in health while pommeling the adds and bosses (which ranges from 5-80 mil) like hot sun's ray through a magnifying glass on ants.

Wollust wrote: »

Good times when everyone who is good at the game is being accused of cheating

Nahhh, not everyone. Just those suspicious toons that appear to have' higher power/dps and skill capability, that doesn't seem too normal from what you can accomplished when playing ESO normally with what are available normally in ESO. Lots of us have been playing ESO long enough to know what build, armor and weapon sets, and skills are available and capable in ESO. Lots of us have ran contents, from vMA, vDSA, vet dungeons and vet trials, enough times to know that no toons are normally capable of completing with such high power/dps while barely getting scratched, when you know you are being hit from all sides and angles by hard hitting adds, mobs and bosses.

However, could be that some are just that good. On consoles, such as PS4, where supposedly it is very difficult to download/install in CE, but there are Flawless Conquerors running around in PS4 ESO land. So, sorc are that powerful when overload skill are enabling them to smash out 57k and upwards strikes and sustaining that during their rotations. Guess that's why many are saying Sorc are the preferred class to run in vMA and vet trials.

See. By mentioning overload in trials and vMSA you just outed yourself as a person that obviously lacks some sort of knowledge regarding end game content. And that's where accusations come from. From people that lack knowledge. It doesn't matter how long you've been playing, there is loads of stuff you might not know, including proper min max. That's what people like streakone and andy.s do, and many others as well. That's where a lot of people gain completely different power levels that some can't explain. And then we have personal skill and persistence which make a huge difference as well. Issue here is that a lot of people are just overconfident. They can't accept that others might just be able to do things they can't.

I'm not saying every single person in the game is legit, I am sure there is still people rocking CE in a subtle manner and not getting detected (immediately). But generally stating that every extremely good player is to be suspected as a cheater, that's just bs. And it's also bad for the community.

GreenhaloX

Wollust wrote: »

GreenhaloX wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

StackonClown wrote: »

Maybe Lance Armstrong was that good at the Tour de France?

For every 2 or 3 people that were wearing "live strong" bracelets and cheering at Lance... there were some of us that were suspicious or just flat out knew he was doping.

It's a hard line to define, many reasonable people will fall for amazing performance above others as natural...

StackonClown wrote: »

Hi Folks,

I've been watching the ESO VMA leaderboards quite a bit lately and interestingly, I see some familiar names repeatedly appearing on top or near the top for weeks or months on end and even for all 4 classes...

Are these players really that much better than every one else that they are forever on top of the leaderboards?

Yes, they do post their builds and upload youtube videos with heavy metal music playing, but beyond that can anyone say for certain that these people are not using something like Cheat Engine, even at times? or even to collect VMA weapons and then use those to do further VMA runs?

So my question is, does ZOS actively monitor VMA for cheat engine or other 3rd party tools?

For VMA in particular, given that it is Solo content, then only ZOS can detect cheating, if indeed they are able. - does this happen?

Has anyone ever been banned for cheating on VMA??

I also note that a number of the VMA players who load 'im cool at vma' videos have *surprise* been banned in the past for, guess what, cheating.
I found it curious when the colorful and inventive excuses came out, such as, "my gameplay is so fast that ZOS thinks I'm cheating - lol"/

These players even seemed to have some *fans* who jumped in to support them and vouch for them being 'legit' and demanded ZOS to unban them.
AS IF, that will convince the rest of us.

I know this might come across as cynical or pessimistic, but I'd prefer that over being naive.

If people claim cheating is rife on PVP, why wouldn't those same cheaters do the same in VMA, where they are playing SOLO??

- Stax

Ha ha. I've been mentioning similar numerous times. Not just in vMA, but other vet contents, like vMoL and certain vet dungeons as well, showing solo or group breezing through those in no time flat and the toons barely get scratched in health while pommeling the adds and bosses (which ranges from 5-80 mil) like hot sun's ray through a magnifying glass on ants.

Wollust wrote: »

Good times when everyone who is good at the game is being accused of cheating

Nahhh, not everyone. Just those suspicious toons that appear to have' higher power/dps and skill capability, that doesn't seem too normal from what you can accomplished when playing ESO normally with what are available normally in ESO. Lots of us have been playing ESO long enough to know what build, armor and weapon sets, and skills are available and capable in ESO. Lots of us have ran contents, from vMA, vDSA, vet dungeons and vet trials, enough times to know that no toons are normally capable of completing with such high power/dps while barely getting scratched, when you know you are being hit from all sides and angles by hard hitting adds, mobs and bosses.

However, could be that some are just that good. On consoles, such as PS4, where supposedly it is very difficult to download/install in CE, but there are Flawless Conquerors running around in PS4 ESO land. So, sorc are that powerful when overload skill are enabling them to smash out 57k and upwards strikes and sustaining that during their rotations. Guess that's why many are saying Sorc are the preferred class to run in vMA and vet trials.

See. By mentioning overload in trials and vMSA you just outed yourself as a person that obviously lacks some sort of knowledge regarding end game content. And that's where accusations come from. From people that lack knowledge. It doesn't matter how long you've been playing, there is loads of stuff you might not know, including proper min max. That's what people like streakone and andy.s do, and many others as well. That's where a lot of people gain completely different power levels that some can't explain. And then we have personal skill and persistence which make a huge difference as well. Issue here is that a lot of people are just overconfident. They can't accept that others might just be able to do things they can't.

I'm not saying every single person in the game is legit, I am sure there is still people rocking CE in a subtle manner and not getting detected (immediately). But generally stating that every extremely good player is to be suspected as a cheater, that's just bs. And it's also bad for the community.

Haaa, nooooo. I'm not one "that obviously lacks some sort of knowledge regarding end game content(s)." I think I've been around the block a few time in ESO to understand how end game contents work. However, I have never played as a sorc and don't know the skillsets of a sorc (only by watching clips on sorc using overload to buff up their damages), but I can claimed to be ousted that I clearly don't understand how a sorc can put out that much more damages than other classes like DK or NB. If a sorc is legitimately doing 57k or 60 -something-k from a strike (and not from an execute type skill), then obviously, there is a huge discrepancy between a sorc and other classes. That is why I am about to create a sorc just to see how one is so capable. I surely can't get that much damages or even close to it from a DK or NB strike. Anybody else (non-sorc) can?

Dawnblade

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

I know the cheat engine is alive and well in this game or some other cheat, seen a guy in craglorn jumping way up in the air and back down and when he seen me he stopped, like other have pointed out seems like zos does not want to spend the money or the effort to get rid of cheaters, I guess they do not understand how this hurts the game and the bad reputation they get from letting cheaters have free reign in the game.

Other companies go to great lengths to get rid of cheaters and exploiters not zos all are welcome here it seems, this place is turning to a wretched hive of scum and villainy

In pvp when I am encountering known cheaters I just move some where else, to me denying the cheaters a chance to get easy AP is a win to me. It's a shame they at exploiting the leaderboard in pve.

I remember the day the cheat engine was exposed in pvp, all those, god like players died like everyone else, maybe a little easier because they had been using that cheat crutch for so long, we had a week of great pvp and it even felt balanced, with the cheat engine does not matter what zos does when it comes to balance can't have balance with cheater programs running. Now lets throw in that intrusive add on I wonder if zos will ever adjust the API to cancel that out.

There are good players in this game even a few pro players, but they are over shadowed by the cheaters that run rampant in this game.

IMO anything that is not from the company that produce the game is a cheating item. I heard about PC players using tools to acquire specific things like Skyshards and using programs that run with the game to know where to grind for content to gain specific items. Also, PC player having an app to assist with knowing when buff are off, etc...All of these in there own way are CHEATS! They are giving you an unfair advantage over players who don't use 3rd party software to make the game easier.

With all that said, IMO, if you are using any 3rd part app that reads data from the game to make the game EASIER regardless of how its benefits the players should receive a short term ban of 3 days for the first offense. Second offense would be one week. Third offense would be one month and forth would be a permanent ban.

I know I probably get heat for that but let me go one step further with my ideas on cheat. KEY SHORTCUTS in a MMO game IMO are also cheats. Macros to exact. Another thing that should be result in a ban to keep players honest.

These are of course my opinion and I feel this way as I dislike anything that provide any body an unfair advantage over other players when not offered by the MMO developer.

At least you preferenced your comment by 'in my opinion'.

Anyways, using add-ons which use the API provided and supported by ZOS to improve the UI or the information displayed in game is not cheating (such as showing skyshard locations or tracking buffs) - at least not in the eyes of the only one who matters - and that is ZOS.

Some add-ons push into a grey area as they provide for automation (like being able to click a crafting table and have an add-on craft the items for writs), and are technically against the ToS, but there haven't been AFAIK posts from ZOS stating explicitly that such and such add-on is disallowed or mass ban waves for players using those add-ons.

Macros such as using a programmable keyboard or mouse or program like AHK to send multiple inputs to the server based on one key press are against the TOS, and could lead to a ban, but given how many players have programmable input devices and the difficulty of detecting the use of such macros, it is probably safe to assume a good number of players use at least some macros in ESO on the PC platform.

One could also argue that animation cancelling is cheating as it allows players to fire off more abilities in a time window than the game was originally designed to allow, but as with add-ons conforming to the API and ToS, ZOS has stated it is allowed and therefore regardless of personal opinion, it also isn't cheating.