Cheat Engine and VMA and You

StackonClown

Hi Folks,

I've been watching the ESO VMA leaderboards quite a bit lately and interestingly, I see some familiar names repeatedly appearing on top or near the top for weeks or months on end and even for all 4 classes...

Are these players really that much better than every one else that they are forever on top of the leaderboards?

Yes, they do post their builds and upload youtube videos with heavy metal music playing, but beyond that can anyone say for certain that these people are not using something like Cheat Engine, even at times? or even to collect VMA weapons and then use those to do further VMA runs?

So my question is, does ZOS actively monitor VMA for cheat engine or other 3rd party tools?

For VMA in particular, given that it is Solo content, then only ZOS can detect cheating, if indeed they are able. - does this happen?

Has anyone ever been banned for cheating on VMA??

I also note that a number of the VMA players who load 'im cool at vma' videos have *surprise* been banned in the past for, guess what, cheating.
I found it curious when the colorful and inventive excuses came out, such as, "my gameplay is so fast that ZOS thinks I'm cheating - lol"/

These players even seemed to have some *fans* who jumped in to support them and vouch for them being 'legit' and demanded ZOS to unban them.
AS IF, that will convince the rest of us.

I know this might come across as cynical or pessimistic, but I'd prefer that over being naive.

If people claim cheating is rife on PVP, why wouldn't those same cheaters do the same in VMA, where they are playing SOLO??

- Stax

Ulfgarde

There used to be pretty extreme exploits for the Werewolf set (can't remember the name of it off the top of my head) that gave you 10k extra weapon damage while turned. Obviously, a lot of people beat some world records, got banned, and that was the end of it.

That said, people get banned for using hacks or CE, but that's about all we know. Bans are never announced and happen overnight, so, unless they got a YT video or are well-known, that's when most people know. I would suspect many go unnoticed.

Anti-cheat measures, besides direct ones, have never been specific in this game, which can lead many to believe that none may exist at all (or very weak). ZOS is extremely secretive and selective with their data and internal systems, so it can be hard to tell from a player's point of view.

Just a little food for thought.

DannyLV702

Search up "cheat engine" on the search bar, and just about all of your questions will be answered. It's an ugly thing going on in the PC world

StackonClown

I understand ZOS doesn't provide details of their cheat detection or the people banned - ok fine.

But how about publishing stats on how many people are banned each week/month and a few categories of why?

e.g. banned for 3rd party tool, botting, etc etc..

If there are 2 players per month being banned then ZOS are not really taking this seriously.

- Stax

SanSan

I don't get why these cheat/hacking programs aren't illegal or taken down.

JamieAubrey

inb4 lock and delete

FrostFallFox

Maybe they're just that good at VMA?

StackonClown

Maybe Lance Armstrong was that good at the Tour de France?

Wollust

Good times when everyone who is good at the game is being accused of cheating

bitels

There are videos of whole runs where ppl are getting best scores, which is quite strong evidence that you can achieve it without cheating. If they use CE on any point someone would notice.
Its legit, they are just good at what they are doing.

If you have any kind of evidence that some ppl might cheating, then you should share it, becouse without them you just spreading rumors that players from top of leader board might be cheating

StackonClown

We are not talking about good - there are a lot of 'good' players..
I'm not accusing 'everyone that is good' of cheating.

Please check my earlier questions...

Does ZOS actively monitor VMA for cheat engine or other 3rd party tools?

For VMA in particular, given that it is Solo content, then only ZOS can detect cheating, if indeed they are able. - does this happen?

Has anyone ever been banned for cheating on VMA??

StackonClown

"If they use CE on any point someone would notice" - how do you notice this by watching a video?

Lots of people have mentioned in the past that there are subtle 3rd party cheats to 'go under the radar' - is this then obvious from watching a video?

StackonClown

So what are we saying?

Either noone ever uses cheat engine on vma and apparently only in PVP.
Or maybe some people use cheat engine on VMA but noone that is a top player (or makes a video) ever has or does?

Sharee

FrostFallFox wrote: »

Maybe they're just that good at VMA?

I look at it this way. History has shown that anytime it is possible for people(in general) to cheat at something, they will. It also has been proven that it is possible to cheat in ESO (that meteor spam video is still out there somewhere).

Thus, it is a given that cheaters do exist in ESO. And if they do, chances are they are the ones with exceptional VMA scores (since they cheat, obviously). That does not mean everyone with an exceptional VMA score is a cheater, but there is a high probability the cheaters will be found on that top-performer list.

starkerealm

Ulfgarde wrote: »

There used to be pretty extreme exploits for the Werewolf set (can't remember the name of it off the top of my head) that gave you 10k extra weapon damage while turned.

Salvation. There was another set that was synergizing with it and breaking it, don't remember which one, though.

leepalmer95

StackonClown wrote: »

So what are we saying?

Either noone ever uses cheat engine on vma and apparently only in PVP.
Or maybe some people use cheat engine on VMA but noone that is a top player (or makes a video) ever has or does?

Or people who have been 'top for weeks' have been because they are just that good at VMA, have all perfect BIS gear while they could run the arena blindfolded.

Sheezabeast

No one is honest about these types of things, they vehemently deny it to hide it and keep it on the down-low.

starkerealm

leepalmer95 wrote: »

StackonClown wrote: »

So what are we saying?

Either noone ever uses cheat engine on vma and apparently only in PVP.
Or maybe some people use cheat engine on VMA but noone that is a top player (or makes a video) ever has or does?

Or people who have been 'top for weeks' have been because they are just that good at VMA, have all perfect BIS gear while they could run the arena blindfolded.

No, we're probably talking about someone who saw the Salvation exploit and is wondering what was going on.

StackonClown

Sheezabeast wrote: »

No one is honest about these types of things, they vehemently deny it to hide it and keep it on the down-low.

At this stage, I tend to agree with this.

I have seen enough examples of *famous* Youtubers, or other 'top' players who *were* actually banned coming up with amazing explanations as to why it was all a big misunderstanding, or they were 'just that good' - give me a break

Yolokin_Swagonborn

StackonClown wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

No one is honest about these types of things, they vehemently deny it to hide it and keep it on the down-low.

At this stage, I tend to agree with this.

I have seen enough examples of *famous* Youtubers, or other 'top' players who *were* actually banned coming up with amazing explanations as to why it was all a big misunderstanding, or they were 'just that good' - give me a break

My favorite was the "I forgot my password" excuse. You mean the password you typed in for the last few years? You forgot it? and you couldn't get customer service to recover it for you? Yeah, sure man. I'm sure that's why you have a new account now.

bitels

Yes, ZoS is monitoring use of all kind if cheats in a game.
No, they wont tell us how they are doing it, becouse that would be not very smart thing to do.

If u have any kind of evidence to support your statements, then provide them
If not- stop spreading rumors, misinformation and speculations, where only backing you have is "a lot of ppl are saying".

What top players should do? Prove that they are no using cheats? They prove it, and you have not a single thing to undermine those evidence.
At this point is their videos vs your feelings.

And to be clear- Im not a fan of any youtuber or other player. And im 100% behind perma banning any player that was proven to be cheating. But i think that is common sense that if u start topic where you implicate that some of a top players might be cheating it would be nice to have any kind of evidence to back up such heavy allegations.

1mirg

StackonClown wrote: »

So my question is, does ZOS actively monitor VMA for cheat engine or other 3rd party tools?

Considering that there has been reports of bots/ hackers/ cheaters not getting banned, along reports of users who were clearly hacking not getting any ban or punishment. I personally don't think there is any monitoring system in place. They seem to be trying to crack down on users who violate their 'no cheating' policy but it's not effective enough yet, in my book that is.

Rohamad_Ali

This happened in the past and the person that runs the leader board website actually was on the forums and did something to mark certain players caught doing that . So we know it has happened . ZOS does not keep us up to date with their security anymore .

I don't pull my hair out worrying about it anymore because its pointless . ZOS handles it they way they want and we have no say in any of it . My advice is to just accept that's a risk here when you play . If it truly breaks your enjoyment then I recommend another MMO with better security .

I don't like it anymore then anyone else that follows the rules and plays fair . I just accept it because I'd rather play and hope one day it gets better . I go and do things that it can't effect when I suspect or get annoyed . It's the only way for me to enjoy the game .

Arthg

ZOS won't release any data regarding cheating.
Solid evidence that somebody's cheating is impossible to obtain.

So: if you're a competitive player, and faith in sportsmanship or corporate competence is not your thing, then you'll be better off playing something else where cheats are kept in check.

StackonClown

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

StackonClown wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

No one is honest about these types of things, they vehemently deny it to hide it and keep it on the down-low.

At this stage, I tend to agree with this.

I have seen enough examples of *famous* Youtubers, or other 'top' players who *were* actually banned coming up with amazing explanations as to why it was all a big misunderstanding, or they were 'just that good' - give me a break

My favorite was the "I forgot my password" excuse. You mean the password you typed in for the last few years? You forgot it? and you couldn't get customer service to recover it for you? Yeah, sure man. I'm sure that's why you have a new account now.

Well the 'explanation' I read was that "my gameplay is so fast that ZOS said I was speedhacking" - i.e. the Ben Johnson defence

bitels wrote: »

Yes, ZoS is monitoring use of all kind if cheats in a game.
No, they wont tell us how they are doing it, becouse that would be not very smart thing to do.

If u have any kind of evidence to support your statements, then provide them
If not- stop spreading rumors, misinformation and speculations, where only backing you have is "a lot of ppl are saying".

>>>
Im *not spreading rumours*!, Im asking questions and trying to use logic. If people are screaming that cheating is rampant in PVP, then why wouldn't it also be used in VMA??? and if so, then isn't there a *chance* that the leaderboard has players who are/have using/used CE?

Maybe you can read the TOS - of course I CANT PROVIDE them or name anyone... its called SPECULATION...
The so called 'misinformation' was from the banned people themselves?

Arthg wrote: »

ZOS won't release any data regarding cheating.
Solid evidence that somebody's cheating is impossible to obtain.

Why not release some summary data? that wont give any secrets away BUT will give use some confidence that they are really cracking down... e.g. "December 2016 - 146 players were banned for using 3rd party cheat tools" - whats the big deal with that? Wouldn't that act as a deterent?
Where I live, the police/government releases lots of information about criminal convictions in part to act as a deterent!

"Solid evidence that somebody's cheating is impossible to obtain." - then how can ZOS ban anyway of cheating but apparently they have ???

runagate

Arthg wrote: »

ZOS won't release any data regarding cheating.
Solid evidence that somebody's cheating is impossible to obtain.

So: if you're a competitive player, and faith in sportsmanship or corporate competence is not your thing, then you'll be better off playing something else where cheats are kept in check.

I can tell you that some types of cheating are easier to catch (via software) than others, and that some are acted upon and others not. Those two things, strangely, do not correlate.

For instance, complete chat logs were provided of PvP players conspiring to lag out the server in 2014. Nothing was done. Whereas apparently speed hacks are particularly easy to catch and tend to be autobanned without further ado.

Of course, the real solution is to have in-game mods who monitor and act on cheating. There are not.

StackonClown

bitels wrote: »

Yes, ZoS is monitoring use of all kind if cheats in a game.

Really?? Define 'all kinds' ?

bitels wrote: »

No, they wont tell us how they are doing it, becouse that would be not very smart thing to do.

Nowhere did I say ZOS needs to explain how they are doing it... Just tell us more about *how effective* it is, or for that matter, how ineffective?

Messy1

So, yeah, searching for "ESO Cheat Engine" brought up "How to get undetectable Cheat Engine for ESO" . . . that made me cry a little.

StackonClown

I know Im spamming a bit but I just wanted to add something about where I'm coming from:

Yes, I am speculating that there is still some level of 3rd party cheat tool being used in ESO PC, and even *potentially* by some leaderboard players. This *doesnt* detract from the fact that in reality they are already an amazing player... BUT, its probably an extra 5-10% that they still might be getting on top.

Just look at elite sport, where *amazing* players STILL cheat to get that extra special edge to move from top 100 to top 50 or top 10 etc....

iAmLife

StackonClown wrote: »

I understand ZOS doesn't provide details of their cheat detection or the people banned - ok fine.

But how about publishing stats on how many people are banned each week/month and a few categories of why?

e.g. banned for 3rd party tool, botting, etc etc..

If there are 2 players per month being banned then ZOS are not really taking this seriously.

- Stax

How is this a good thing from a business stand point? It'll just give people an idea this game has tons of botters... lol

EnviousStruggle

Does ZOS actively monitor VMA for cheat engine or other 3rd party tools?

what a dumb topic
what you expect to hear?
ZOS WILL NEVER respond to this, as they never did in similar cases
you want some cool stories or slander or lie or accusations from forum trolls or what??

close this stupid topic pls