PTS Feedback Thread for Dragonknight Balance Improvements

strebor2095

Why not an anti purge on Wings? Like "after successfully reflecting an ability, the enemy is afflicted with Major [insert new name]"

Major [insert new name] does X damage to an enemy whenever they remove a debuff over 15 seconds.

Bam, wings is useful, DKs can't be purged Willy nilly, if they remove the new debuff they still take damage from it

Stamden

strebor2095 wrote: »

Why not an anti purge on Wings? Like "after successfully reflecting an ability, the enemy is afflicted with Major [insert new name]"

Major [insert new name] does X damage to an enemy whenever they remove a debuff over 15 seconds.

Bam, wings is useful, DKs can't be purged Willy nilly, if they remove the new debuff they still take damage from it

Sure, literally anything is better than what is does now. From simple buffs like increased duration/skills to 6 seconds, or complex stuff like this, anything would work. But we need something. The amount of useless skills DKs have has never been as high as it is now.

Drishtan

Yes Please Change Wings to 6 seconds. A lil reduction couldn't hurt either!

IxskullzxI

It's really too bad desert rose got nerfed. I understand it was really strong, but without that the dk really needs some sustain help. I think sustain should be number one on the list to look at now for mdk.

Stamden

Found this and it's so true it hurts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxANa8UXx3Y

GawdSB

When is DK going to get an execute ability?

LorDrek

GawdSB wrote: »

When is DK going to get an execute ability?

Wrobel say ever! Dk is uniq class - lol

Stamden

GawdSB wrote: »

When is DK going to get an execute ability?

They should just give an execute on 2nd proc of Flame Lash. But obvious solutions are apparently not so obvious when it's up to @Wrobel

ArchMikem

Any chance one of Lava Whips morphs get turned into a Stamina version?

Poisoned Whip?

Diseased Whip?

...maybe please?

leepalmer95

ArchMikem wrote: »

Any chance one of Lava Whips morphs get turned into a Stamina version?

Poisoned Whip?

Diseased Whip?

...maybe please?

Stam dk really doesn't need a buff xD



@ZOS_GinaBruno Can you nerf the embers heal finally? Now that you've give mag dk a decent heal? Half the embers heal to what it used to be.

Anti_Virus

leepalmer95 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Any chance one of Lava Whips morphs get turned into a Stamina version?

Poisoned Whip?

Diseased Whip?

...maybe please?

Stam dk really doesn't need a buff xD



@ZOS_GinaBruno Can you nerf the embers heal finally? Now that you've give mag dk a decent heal? Half the embers heal to what it used to be.

How is this a buff? Its merely a change for convince so that we don't have to Dizzying swing spam all day.

If NBs can get Suprise Attack, Templars can get bitting jabs then I see no reason why sDK can't get a stam whip.

Riggsy

Anti_Virus wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Any chance one of Lava Whips morphs get turned into a Stamina version?

Poisoned Whip?

Diseased Whip?

...maybe please?

Stam dk really doesn't need a buff xD



@ZOS_GinaBruno Can you nerf the embers heal finally? Now that you've give mag dk a decent heal? Half the embers heal to what it used to be.

How is this a buff? Its merely a change for convince so that we don't have to Dizzying swing spam all day.

If NBs can get Suprise Attack, Templars can get bitting jabs then I see no reason why sDK can't get a stam whip.

Yup, Im f'ing tired of being a generic stam build as a DK with only a couple class abilities slotted. Whatever though, in less than 24 hours Ill be respecced as a mag dk and start the gear farm all over again.

leepalmer95

Anti_Virus wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Any chance one of Lava Whips morphs get turned into a Stamina version?

Poisoned Whip?

Diseased Whip?

...maybe please?

Stam dk really doesn't need a buff xD



@ZOS_GinaBruno Can you nerf the embers heal finally? Now that you've give mag dk a decent heal? Half the embers heal to what it used to be.

How is this a buff? Its merely a change for convince so that we don't have to Dizzying swing spam all day.

If NBs can get Suprise Attack, Templars can get bitting jabs then I see no reason why sDK can't get a stam whip.

Dk's get dots.
Stamplar get a stam channel
Nb's an instant stam attack.

Not every class needs to be the same, dk's aren't in need of a whip.

Riggsy wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Any chance one of Lava Whips morphs get turned into a Stamina version?

Poisoned Whip?

Diseased Whip?

...maybe please?

Stam dk really doesn't need a buff xD



@ZOS_GinaBruno Can you nerf the embers heal finally? Now that you've give mag dk a decent heal? Half the embers heal to what it used to be.

How is this a buff? Its merely a change for convince so that we don't have to Dizzying swing spam all day.

If NBs can get Suprise Attack, Templars can get bitting jabs then I see no reason why sDK can't get a stam whip.

Yup, Im f'ing tired of being a generic stam build as a DK with only a couple class abilities slotted. Whatever though, in less than 24 hours Ill be respecced as a mag dk and start the gear farm all over again.

You have plenty of options.

Dot build with dw
S&b build
2h build
Heavy ganking build with bow.

Etc....

You have dots, wings, igneous, volatile etc.... , hardest hitting physical ult in the game.

Riggsy

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Any chance one of Lava Whips morphs get turned into a Stamina version?

Poisoned Whip?

Diseased Whip?

...maybe please?

Stam dk really doesn't need a buff xD



@ZOS_GinaBruno Can you nerf the embers heal finally? Now that you've give mag dk a decent heal? Half the embers heal to what it used to be.

How is this a buff? Its merely a change for convince so that we don't have to Dizzying swing spam all day.

If NBs can get Suprise Attack, Templars can get bitting jabs then I see no reason why sDK can't get a stam whip.

Dk's get dots.
Stamplar get a stam channel
Nb's an instant stam attack.

Not every class needs to be the same, dk's aren't in need of a whip.

Riggsy wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Any chance one of Lava Whips morphs get turned into a Stamina version?

Poisoned Whip?

Diseased Whip?

...maybe please?

Stam dk really doesn't need a buff xD



@ZOS_GinaBruno Can you nerf the embers heal finally? Now that you've give mag dk a decent heal? Half the embers heal to what it used to be.

How is this a buff? Its merely a change for convince so that we don't have to Dizzying swing spam all day.

If NBs can get Suprise Attack, Templars can get bitting jabs then I see no reason why sDK can't get a stam whip.

Yup, Im f'ing tired of being a generic stam build as a DK with only a couple class abilities slotted. Whatever though, in less than 24 hours Ill be respecced as a mag dk and start the gear farm all over again.

You have plenty of options.

Dot build with dw
S&b build
2h build
Heavy ganking build with bow.

Etc....

You have dots, wings, igneous, volatile etc.... , hardest hitting physical ult in the game.

You didnt refute by point, I run 2h/sb pvp and dw/bow pve - that FACT remains most abilities slotted are not class ones.

NBrookus

Riggsy wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Any chance one of Lava Whips morphs get turned into a Stamina version?

Poisoned Whip?

Diseased Whip?

...maybe please?

Stam dk really doesn't need a buff xD



@ZOS_GinaBruno Can you nerf the embers heal finally? Now that you've give mag dk a decent heal? Half the embers heal to what it used to be.

How is this a buff? Its merely a change for convince so that we don't have to Dizzying swing spam all day.

If NBs can get Suprise Attack, Templars can get bitting jabs then I see no reason why sDK can't get a stam whip.

Dk's get dots.
Stamplar get a stam channel
Nb's an instant stam attack.

Not every class needs to be the same, dk's aren't in need of a whip.

Riggsy wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Any chance one of Lava Whips morphs get turned into a Stamina version?

Poisoned Whip?

Diseased Whip?

...maybe please?

Stam dk really doesn't need a buff xD



@ZOS_GinaBruno Can you nerf the embers heal finally? Now that you've give mag dk a decent heal? Half the embers heal to what it used to be.

How is this a buff? Its merely a change for convince so that we don't have to Dizzying swing spam all day.

If NBs can get Suprise Attack, Templars can get bitting jabs then I see no reason why sDK can't get a stam whip.

Yup, Im f'ing tired of being a generic stam build as a DK with only a couple class abilities slotted. Whatever though, in less than 24 hours Ill be respecced as a mag dk and start the gear farm all over again.

You have plenty of options.

Dot build with dw
S&b build
2h build
Heavy ganking build with bow.

Etc....

You have dots, wings, igneous, volatile etc.... , hardest hitting physical ult in the game.

You didnt refute by point, I run 2h/sb pvp and dw/bow pve - that FACT remains most abilities slotted are not class ones.

Then go magicka DK if you want to whip people. Stam has FOUR weapon lines to choose abilities from. Magicka has ONE. (Two if you count resto.). Class abilities shouldn't be half and half because stamina already has more options.

Riggsy

NBrookus wrote: »

Riggsy wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Any chance one of Lava Whips morphs get turned into a Stamina version?

Poisoned Whip?

Diseased Whip?

...maybe please?

Stam dk really doesn't need a buff xD



@ZOS_GinaBruno Can you nerf the embers heal finally? Now that you've give mag dk a decent heal? Half the embers heal to what it used to be.

How is this a buff? Its merely a change for convince so that we don't have to Dizzying swing spam all day.

If NBs can get Suprise Attack, Templars can get bitting jabs then I see no reason why sDK can't get a stam whip.

Dk's get dots.
Stamplar get a stam channel
Nb's an instant stam attack.

Not every class needs to be the same, dk's aren't in need of a whip.

Riggsy wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Any chance one of Lava Whips morphs get turned into a Stamina version?

Poisoned Whip?

Diseased Whip?

...maybe please?

Stam dk really doesn't need a buff xD



@ZOS_GinaBruno Can you nerf the embers heal finally? Now that you've give mag dk a decent heal? Half the embers heal to what it used to be.

How is this a buff? Its merely a change for convince so that we don't have to Dizzying swing spam all day.

If NBs can get Suprise Attack, Templars can get bitting jabs then I see no reason why sDK can't get a stam whip.

Yup, Im f'ing tired of being a generic stam build as a DK with only a couple class abilities slotted. Whatever though, in less than 24 hours Ill be respecced as a mag dk and start the gear farm all over again.

You have plenty of options.

Dot build with dw
S&b build
2h build
Heavy ganking build with bow.

Etc....

You have dots, wings, igneous, volatile etc.... , hardest hitting physical ult in the game.

You didnt refute by point, I run 2h/sb pvp and dw/bow pve - that FACT remains most abilities slotted are not class ones.

Then go magicka DK if you want to whip people. Stam has FOUR weapon lines to choose abilities from. Magicka has ONE. (Two if you count resto.). Class abilities shouldn't be half and half because stamina already has more options.

Yes, just because of whip... Not the fact that mag outperforms stam in endgame content (trials) while stam DKs got nerfed with Standard (still no explanation WHY), and stam in general with trap and crit. Or in PVP where mag DK got a decent heal now, a decent ultimate (yes the shield is helpful, try using it against zergs), added damage to whip and the ability to block with a staff (which will be the next broken pvp meta).

MaxwellC

Hardest hitting physical ultimate in the game is not take flight, please correct yourself. DBoS hits harder and so does Onslaught, and rend (arrow ulti too but yeah).

Dks have DoTs yet that has not been addressed in PvP like it was suppose to this patch. Please let me DoT you up while you shield it, heal through it, and purge it. Keep playing a DK class before thinking DoTs will be the thing to pressure your enemy; I will say the only decent DoT in PvP usage (as I eluded what my view point was earlier) is Poison injection because of it's built in execute.

LorDrek

NBrookus wrote: »

Riggsy wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Any chance one of Lava Whips morphs get turned into a Stamina version?

Poisoned Whip?

Diseased Whip?

...maybe please?

Stam dk really doesn't need a buff xD



@ZOS_GinaBruno Can you nerf the embers heal finally? Now that you've give mag dk a decent heal? Half the embers heal to what it used to be.

How is this a buff? Its merely a change for convince so that we don't have to Dizzying swing spam all day.

If NBs can get Suprise Attack, Templars can get bitting jabs then I see no reason why sDK can't get a stam whip.

Dk's get dots.
Stamplar get a stam channel
Nb's an instant stam attack.

Not every class needs to be the same, dk's aren't in need of a whip.

Riggsy wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Any chance one of Lava Whips morphs get turned into a Stamina version?

Poisoned Whip?

Diseased Whip?

...maybe please?

Stam dk really doesn't need a buff xD



@ZOS_GinaBruno Can you nerf the embers heal finally? Now that you've give mag dk a decent heal? Half the embers heal to what it used to be.

How is this a buff? Its merely a change for convince so that we don't have to Dizzying swing spam all day.

If NBs can get Suprise Attack, Templars can get bitting jabs then I see no reason why sDK can't get a stam whip.

Yup, Im f'ing tired of being a generic stam build as a DK with only a couple class abilities slotted. Whatever though, in less than 24 hours Ill be respecced as a mag dk and start the gear farm all over again.

You have plenty of options.

Dot build with dw
S&b build
2h build
Heavy ganking build with bow.

Etc....

You have dots, wings, igneous, volatile etc.... , hardest hitting physical ult in the game.

You didnt refute by point, I run 2h/sb pvp and dw/bow pve - that FACT remains most abilities slotted are not class ones.

Then go magicka DK if you want to whip people. Stam has FOUR weapon lines to choose abilities from. Magicka has ONE. (Two if you count resto.). Class abilities shouldn't be half and half because stamina already has more options.

Dw buff spelldmg, staff no buff weapon dmg. Stamina has more options. Hahahahaha. Why all stamina useres use dw ma weapons? Other solutions are weak.

ArchMikem

The reason i even mentioned an honestly never gonna happen thing like a stamina version of Whip is because my utter frustration with my Dragonknight character. For a year now ive been on and off trying to find a decent enough build and playstyle for it so it can reach "Main" status, and in the end i was left with trying to use my khajiit racial passives as a stam DK, and since i havent tried playing with a sword and shield build, i went that route, but not of a tank but as a damage dealer.

Between the DoTs, a hard hitting Ransack and Tremorscale proccing my dps is "okay", but having something like Lava Whip on the bar as well would skyrocket my characters capability. I recognize its a crap shoot, but itd still be REALLY nice if it did have a Stam morph.

Banana

ArchMikem wrote: »

Any chance one of Lava Whips morphs get turned into a Stamina version?

Poisoned Whip?

Diseased Whip?

...maybe please?

and a poison standard.
I went back to mDK for a couple weeks. Terrible sustain and slow. Stamina DK again even with the coming nerfs.

Aquanova

Change Venomous Claw to instant damage instead of being a dot since it has no secondary effect other than getting stronger each tick which can be purged.

Change Ingneous Weapons so that when active returns stamina and magicka just like siphoning attacks.

Move the major brutality and major sorcery from Igneous Weapons to Inferno and both of its morphs.

Think about these changes would benefit both Stam and Magicka dk.

MaxwellC

@Aquanova
That last change would definitely mess up a lot of stam dks and mag dks.

Aquanova

MaxwellC wrote: »

@Aquanova
That last change would definitely mess up a lot of stam dks and mag dks.

@MaxwellC the reason I would move the major brutality/sorcery to Inferno is because I don't think ZOS will change it back to being an AOE like hurricane and we would need a reason to slot it. Other wise I think if it were left in Igneous, they would have to completely rework Inferno and it's morphs to be useful.

Armitas

Had we not fought as hard as we did this update would have been a complete and utter failure for the mDK. The nerf to wings still held through to live. Why do we have to fight for sane development decisions like we did with dragons blood? Why do core class skills get nerfed until they are no longer used? Lets list all the skills that they destroyed from PvP.

• Chains (finally returned somewhat after 2 years
• inferno (except dueling)
• Reflect
• Dragon blood finally returned after ~ 2 years
• Cinderstorm (evasion)
• Both our shields (now just a mending buff)

Compared to what we have anticipated and expected over the past 2 years, all in all this update was a huge disappointment and a debatable overall improvement. And the only reason we can say that much is because we had to fight hard to change dragonblood from the ridiculous way it started.

So yeah I would like to thank the people that deserve it, all you guys who fought on the forums just to make this a positive update because if left to the people in charge of this class it would have been a complete failure.

Xvorg

Aquanova wrote: »

Change Venomous Claw to instant damage instead of being a dot since it has no secondary effect other than getting stronger each tick which can be purged.

Change Ingneous Weapons so that when active returns stamina and magicka just like siphoning attacks.

Move the major brutality and major sorcery from Igneous Weapons to Inferno and both of its morphs.

Think about these changes would benefit both Stam and Magicka dk.

Oh, stamblade!

They need to improve DoTs in general, not destroy them.

Aquanova

Xvorg wrote: »

Aquanova wrote: »

Change Venomous Claw to instant damage instead of being a dot since it has no secondary effect other than getting stronger each tick which can be purged.

Change Ingneous Weapons so that when active returns stamina and magicka just like siphoning attacks.

Move the major brutality and major sorcery from Igneous Weapons to Inferno and both of its morphs.

Think about these changes would benefit both Stam and Magicka dk.

Oh, stamblade!

They need to improve DoTs in general, not destroy them.

Improve DoTs huh? How, make it where it can't be purged? Yeah I'd love that. Don't think it's gonna happen though.

Sugaroverdose

Aquanova wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Aquanova wrote: »

Change Venomous Claw to instant damage instead of being a dot since it has no secondary effect other than getting stronger each tick which can be purged.

Change Ingneous Weapons so that when active returns stamina and magicka just like siphoning attacks.

Move the major brutality and major sorcery from Igneous Weapons to Inferno and both of its morphs.

Think about these changes would benefit both Stam and Magicka dk.

Oh, stamblade!

They need to improve DoTs in general, not destroy them.

Improve DoTs huh? How, make it where it can't be purged? Yeah I'd love that. Don't think it's gonna happen though.

Some placeable dot's have purge-counter, e.g. inevitable detonation.
Cleansing should still work, but maybe dot can hit for something like 50%(to not instakill templars) of last dot duration*tick damage while purged(solo/smallscale), or place different debuffs while dot purged there's a lot of such: major/minor maim, defile, breach, mangle, vulnerability(huge group utility boost)

Whatever, fixed cDB and 5% damage boost on whip are game changers for mDK from battle team perspective and mDK won't get anything more.

PandaIsAPotato

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Aquanova wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Aquanova wrote: »

Change Venomous Claw to instant damage instead of being a dot since it has no secondary effect other than getting stronger each tick which can be purged.

Change Ingneous Weapons so that when active returns stamina and magicka just like siphoning attacks.

Move the major brutality and major sorcery from Igneous Weapons to Inferno and both of its morphs.

Think about these changes would benefit both Stam and Magicka dk.

Oh, stamblade!

They need to improve DoTs in general, not destroy them.

Improve DoTs huh? How, make it where it can't be purged? Yeah I'd love that. Don't think it's gonna happen though.

Some placeable dot's have purge-counter, e.g. inevitable detonation.
Cleansing should still work, but maybe dot can hit for something like 50%(to not instakill templars) of last dot duration*tick damage while purged(solo/smallscale), or place different debuffs while dot purged there's a lot of such: major/minor maim, defile, breach, mangle, vulnerability(huge group utility boost)

Whatever, fixed cDB and 5% damage boost on whip are game changers for mDK from battle team perspective and mDK won't get anything more.

DK DoTs simply need to do their full damage instantly if you purge it, gives us burst, gives us a reason to stack them, give's the Templars that love to perma-block inside their ritual spamming breath of life a choice. It's not like it'd do all that much damage anyway, Embers entire damage is about 1/3rd of most people's health, sometimes more depending on if you factor in crits and resists.

Sugaroverdose

PandaIsAPotato wrote: »

DK DoTs simply need to do their full damage instantly if you purge it, gives us burst, gives us a reason to stack them, give's the Templars that love to perma-block inside their ritual spamming breath of life a choice. It's not like it'd do all that much damage anyway, Embers entire damage is about 1/3rd of most people's health, sometimes more depending on if you factor in crits and resists.

So you like "inevitable" case, it's not going to happen anyway, "buffpatch" is already live and next one will be in a 1.5 years, when everyone will oneshot everybody just by targeting them and pressing HA.

Anti_Virus

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Any chance one of Lava Whips morphs get turned into a Stamina version?

Poisoned Whip?

Diseased Whip?

...maybe please?

Stam dk really doesn't need a buff xD



@ZOS_GinaBruno Can you nerf the embers heal finally? Now that you've give mag dk a decent heal? Half the embers heal to what it used to be.

How is this a buff? Its merely a change for convince so that we don't have to Dizzying swing spam all day.

If NBs can get Suprise Attack, Templars can get bitting jabs then I see no reason why sDK can't get a stam whip.

Dk's get dots.
Stamplar get a stam channel
Nb's an instant stam attack.

Not every class needs to be the same, dk's aren't in need of a whip.

Riggsy wrote: »

Anti_Virus wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

Any chance one of Lava Whips morphs get turned into a Stamina version?

Poisoned Whip?

Diseased Whip?

...maybe please?

Stam dk really doesn't need a buff xD



@ZOS_GinaBruno Can you nerf the embers heal finally? Now that you've give mag dk a decent heal? Half the embers heal to what it used to be.

How is this a buff? Its merely a change for convince so that we don't have to Dizzying swing spam all day.

If NBs can get Suprise Attack, Templars can get bitting jabs then I see no reason why sDK can't get a stam whip.

Yup, Im f'ing tired of being a generic stam build as a DK with only a couple class abilities slotted. Whatever though, in less than 24 hours Ill be respecced as a mag dk and start the gear farm all over again.

You have plenty of options.

Dot build with dw
S&b build
2h build
Heavy ganking build with bow.

Etc....

You have dots, wings, igneous, volatile etc.... , hardest hitting physical ult in the game.

False its DBOS.

No Stam DK is using Wings try again
NO stam DK is using Noxius breath try again
NO stam DK is using DW try again

Try try again.