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Official stance from ZOS on Lazy Writ Crafter

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I was going to use an add on called Lazy Writ Crafter to help streamline doing writs as my time slot for them is extremely limited but a friend suggested that it would be best to get an official word on wether this is against terms of service or not first.

Basically it automates Writ crafting using a number of pre set perameters, just find a crafting station and it does the rest.

Is there any official word on this regarding wether it's okay or regarded as botting? Eso very much feels like home in a way no other game ever has and I'd just like to be sure.
  • Yolokin_Swagonborn
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    Off all the addons going around right now, this seems like one of the tamest.

    Plus writs are still a net loss and just a malicious and hidden material and time sink so ZOS wins either way.
  • Abeille
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    It never occurred to me that this addon could be considered botting. I would like to know if it is okay too.

    Who can we ask about this? @ZOS_GinaBruno ?
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    Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
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  • Elsonso
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    Anything that automates an in-world action should be used carefully. Crafting automation, perfect roe fillet, gear swap, etc
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  • MyNameIsElias
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    Would be nice if zenimax actually decided to make it impossible for addons to automate actions for you if this is actually against their TOS
  • Runs
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    I'm just posting here because I want to see if any official word is given on this as well...

    But keep in mind one of the Devs(I can't remember which, possibly Rich?) mentioned their favorite addon was Dustman. Which automatically sells your junk. If that's good this should be too(IMO).
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    Runs wrote: »
    I'm just posting here because I want to see if any official word is given on this as well...

    But keep in mind one of the Devs(I can't remember which, possibly Rich?) mentioned their favorite addon was Dustman. Which automatically sells your junk. If that's good this should be too(IMO).

    Two things to consider. First is that not all add-on automation may be considered a violation of the ToS worthy of enforcement by ZOS. They certainly tolerate guild mail programs that send out mail to all guild members. I would also think that some bank management stuff might not concern them. That does not mean that you can use an add-on that automates crafting of items.

    Second, the devs probably have a lot more flexibility with this part of the ToS than we do, and probably have different rules on what they are allowed to do, and what they cannot do, while on the Live server. I am not sure that I would necessarily consider "the devs use it" to be something that would prevent getting a ban.

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  • OrphanHelgen
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    takes 5 sec to craft writs instead of 15 sec. Dont see much problem tbh.
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  • Nyghthowler
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    Most of these add ons have been around for a LONG time. If ZoS doesn't condone certain ones then they need to post on a stickied thread which add ons are violating the ToS, and keep it updated. That way we the players know which ones not to use.
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  • Elsonso
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    Most of these add ons have been around for a LONG time. If ZoS doesn't condone certain ones then they need to post on a stickied thread which add ons are violating the ToS, and keep it updated. That way we the players know which ones not to use.

    I agree, especially since failure to enforce the ToS by not taking public action to indicate a particular add-on violates the ToS can be interpreted as tacit approval of the add-on.

    Sadly, ZOS prefers to handle this sort of stuff when no one is looking and they never say anything. We never know if silence means approval or the ZOS standard, 'you should have known better, it is mentioned vaguely somewhere in the ToS'.
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  • Betheny
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    They're not automating fighting skills though are they - just automating mundane actions.

    Why would anyone think that would be something ZOS would take a negative stance on?
  • pureskills101
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    Indeed I don't there's anything wrong in using it, it's been around for quite a while so I'm sure if it was a no no, then Zos would have done a thread or post of some sort in regards to the ones that are not allowed, that goes for most of the auto addons tbh, nothing to do with combat just everyday tasks made a bit faster but they have been around for ages so I think we're all good I've used many of these addons for a long time never see a thread or had a msg from Zos warning me not too, same as a lot of my guildies or friends
  • GilGalad
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    I was going to use an add on called Lazy Writ Crafter to help streamline doing writs as my time slot for them is extremely limited but a friend suggested that it would be best to get an official word on wether this is against terms of service or not first.

    Basically it automates Writ crafting using a number of pre set perameters, just find a crafting station and it does the rest.

    Is there any official word on this regarding wether it's okay or regarded as botting? Eso very much feels like home in a way no other game ever has and I'd just like to be sure.

    If they are going to ban this addon I will find you and I will...
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  • lolo_01b16_ESO
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    I assume it's the same as other time saving addons, they are not allowed in theory, but noone cares.

    Asking about addons that stack items in guild banks, multicraft consumables and swap gear setups we got this answer a long time ago and since then I haven't seen a single player being banned because he used those addons.
    ZOS_MollyH wrote: »
    Hi,
    Macros and addons that allow players to automate and perform multiple actions with a single keystroke is a violation of our Terms of Service. All examples you provided do fall under automation, and as such are not allowed via our Terms of Service.
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    I say this falls under the category of "use at risk of getting banned".

    In other words, people know it is against TOS to use and use it anyway because they haven't seen ZOS take action against it.

    However, that doesn't mean ZOS won't do so in the future.
    Edited by Tabbycat on January 2, 2017 11:27AM
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  • EnviousStruggle
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    I was going to use an add on called Lazy Writ Crafter to help streamline doing writs as my time slot for them is extremely limited but a friend suggested that it would be best to get an official word on wether this is against terms of service or not first.

    Basically it automates Writ crafting using a number of pre set perameters, just find a crafting station and it does the rest.

    Is there any official word on this regarding wether it's okay or regarded as botting? Eso very much feels like home in a way no other game ever has and I'd just like to be sure.

    there is DOZEN addons can do multiple things in one click

    and no bans for it
    if you think about and learn what addons is, you neve ask such LOL questions like in first post
  • Flameheart
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    Gil.Galad wrote: »
    I was going to use an add on called Lazy Writ Crafter to help streamline doing writs as my time slot for them is extremely limited but a friend suggested that it would be best to get an official word on wether this is against terms of service or not first.

    Basically it automates Writ crafting using a number of pre set perameters, just find a crafting station and it does the rest.

    Is there any official word on this regarding wether it's okay or regarded as botting? Eso very much feels like home in a way no other game ever has and I'd just like to be sure.

    If they are going to ban this addon I will find you and I will...

    This.

    Edited by Flameheart on January 2, 2017 11:31AM
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  • EnviousStruggle
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    I assume it's the same as other time saving addons, they are not allowed in theory, but noone cares.

    Asking about addons that stack items in guild banks, multicraft consumables and swap gear setups we got this answer a long time ago and since then I haven't seen a single player being banned because he used those addons.
    ZOS_MollyH wrote: »
    Hi,
    Macros and addons that allow players to automate and perform multiple actions with a single keystroke is a violation of our Terms of Service. All examples you provided do fall under automation, and as such are not allowed via our Terms of Service.

    those answer was made by a moderator who DIDNT know what she talking about
    because she havent any clue how addons working and what public API is
    she know only TOS and EULA and trying to link it with addons but its wrong, again

    until any other official answer, this addons ARE ALLOWED
    Edited by EnviousStruggle on January 2, 2017 11:31AM
  • Dracindo
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    I honestly see no problem with this mod. To me, it's pretty much like the Autoloot setting:
    It saves a few valuable seconds of your time, and takes away a little extra effort.
    It's not like they give you the materials or make your character grind a location while you're sleeping.

    Not allowing this addon would mean autoloot should be removed as well, IMO.
  • magnusthorek
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    There's a big difference in addons that automates tasks to lead players to an easy victory, like putting a light attack between an skill without the need of actually press the mouse button, and an addon that simply saves time outside combat by addressing important usability issues ignored by developers in favor of money roulettes.
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    Just goes to show people will moan about the most *** crap!

    GET A LIFE!
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  • MyNameIsElias
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    Aquanova wrote: »
    Just goes to show people will moan about the most *** crap!

    GET A LIFE!

    Calm down buddy, people are allowed to discuss the terms of service of a game we are passionate about.

  • Abeille
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    Aquanova wrote: »
    Just goes to show people will moan about the most *** crap!

    GET A LIFE!

    Nobody is moaning about anything.

    This is a legitimate question, one that needs an answer. Or would you rather use this kind of addon thinking it is perfectly fine and then suddenly be banned for it?
    Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.

    Meet my characters:
    Command: Do the thing.

    Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
    Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
    Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
    Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
    Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
    Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
    Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
    Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
    Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
    Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.
  • Elsonso
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    Betheny wrote: »
    They're not automating fighting skills though are they - just automating mundane actions.

    Why would anyone think that would be something ZOS would take a negative stance on?

    Mainly because they have applied ToS restrictions to non-combat things. Clearly, being in, or related to, combat is not a requirement for ToS violations.
    I assume it's the same as other time saving addons, they are not allowed in theory, but noone cares.

    Asking about addons that stack items in guild banks, multicraft consumables and swap gear setups we got this answer a long time ago and since then I haven't seen a single player being banned because he used those addons.
    ZOS_MollyH wrote: »
    Hi,
    Macros and addons that allow players to automate and perform multiple actions with a single keystroke is a violation of our Terms of Service. All examples you provided do fall under automation, and as such are not allowed via our Terms of Service.

    those answer was made by a moderator who DIDNT know what she talking about
    because she havent any clue how addons working and what public API is
    she know only TOS and EULA and trying to link it with addons but its wrong, again

    until any other official answer, this addons ARE ALLOWED

    In point of fact, @ZOS_MollyH is an official representative of ZOS when posting information like this. Do you really think that ZOS is going to let any random employee post legal statements related to the ToS on the forum, without guidance? The words "hell" and "no" come to mind.

    In any case, it does not matter. It was posted, it is still posted, and it is the Law. Even if @ZOS_MollyH went rogue and has been in hiding ever since, it is the "right" answer because it, in no manner, changes anything about how ZOS enforces the ToS.

    The thing about the ToS is that the ToS does not require ZOS to take any action against people who are violating it. ZOS is free to define what violates the ToS as strictly, or loosely, as it wants. ZOS is under no obligation to enforce the ToS to that definition. The more stuff that ZOS includes as a violation of the ToS, the more freedom they have when it comes to deciding what to enforce. They don't have to enforce every violation, and they don't.

    So, ultimately, we don't really want to know whether a particular add-on violates the ToS. What we really want to know, and will probably never know, is what ToS violations are enforced.
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  • EnviousStruggle
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    I still don't know what to think about that official comment, something between I don't care and they're stupid.
    ZOS should remove API that allows TOS violation actions.
    Otherwise it's a trap for all fair players - you may use our API but we may ban you.
    By definition, ALL addons fall into a broad category of "automation".

    so i repeat again
    for me words of @ZOS_MollyH is not offical statement and never be until any other official words from other persons
    Edited by EnviousStruggle on January 2, 2017 4:21PM
  • idk
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    This add-on is very unlikely to be considered an issue by Zos.

    It is no different that macros or add-ons that save and change our gear and skills when we press a simple button.
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    This add-on is very unlikely to be considered an issue by Zos.

    It is no different that macros or add-ons that save and change our gear and skills when we press a simple button.

    It is different, and if they were going to enforce the ToS by changing the API to prevent certain automations, I would expect gear swap to be near the top of the list. But, they won't.
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    Things like this are allowed to continue in ambiguity until someone brings it to public attention and ZOS needs to act. But let's not delude ourselves. It's a form of automation, and using it is just a calculated risk ZOS will do anything about it. Action less likely to be bans and more likely to be broad sweeping changes to the API at some point.
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  • Betheny
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    Well thread's been up for a while now and ZOS hasn't popped in, so there's your answer.

    The subject is too stupid for them to bother with.
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    Betheny wrote: »
    Well thread's been up for a while now and ZOS hasn't popped in, so there's your answer.

    The subject is too stupid for them to bother with.
    ZOS already answered. Unless they have something else to say, why would they repeat themselves?

    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2089721/#Comment_2089721
  • EnviousStruggle
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    that answer not counting
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