Characters looking nothing like they did in character creator

Prof_Bawbag

Not sure if it's purely down to the difference in lighting or something else, but after purchasing a race change token, I opted to change my Dunmer to a Nord, however, whilst I gave the character angular facial features, outside the character creator, she has hamster cheeks and bloated lips. She looks ridiculous. That's not all, she also has a different hair style (that's not a biggie at all). All values were locked and short of throwing another 1000crs for an appearance token, just for it to turn out differently again no doubt, I wish they would give us a character creator that gave us a better representation of what we actually created. The way the creator is locked after creation, it's a costly pain up the backside.

Those race change tokens aren't cheap, yet one of the features it offers us is fundamentally flawed. Happened in Skyrim too to a lesser extent, but at least we had an in-game option to fix those issues.

Taleof2Cities

Maybe for the race or appearance change crown token put a timer on it for x number of days for any "touch-ups"?

I agree, @Prof_Bawbag, different types of lighting will bring out some issues not noticed in the appearance change screen ...

bottleofsyrup

Do you have a screenshot?

Prof_Bawbag

That is exactly what they should do. Even a 24 hour or 12 hour timer on the appearance would allow us to confirm the changes and then allow us to see how it looks in game. They're not exactly cheap, so it keeps everyone happy. ZoS still get their $$$$$ and we get a token that allows us some room for error.

Taleof2Cities

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

That is exactly what they should do. Even a 24 hour or 12 hour timer on the appearance would allow us to confirm the changes and then allow us to see how it looks in game. They're not exactly cheap, so it keeps everyone happy. ZoS still get their $$$$$ and we get a token that allows us some room for error.

@ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom ... your thoughts?

Prof_Bawbag

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

Do you have a screenshot?

I'm on PS4 and I have no idea how to go about doing screen shots (I think it is possible though). Plus I'm past the point from inside the creator, thus have no way to post a before and after picture. Some people may think the character looks fine, so a screenshot wouldn't prove anything other than I wouldn't have accepted those changes personally had I known that was how those changes would have been represented in-game.

bottleofsyrup

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

Do you have a screenshot?

I'm on PS4 and I have no idea how to go about doing screen shots (I think it is possible though). Plus I'm past the point from inside the creator, thus have no way to post a before and after picture. Some people may think the character looks fine, so a screenshot wouldn't prove anything other than I wouldn't have accepted those changes personally had I known that was how those changes would have been represented in-game.

Something ZOS could do is give us different lighting options to preview our changes in like Skyrim had.

Prof_Bawbag

Skyrim's lighting still wasn't infallible, but it's better to have those options than not to have those options. We also got the sculptor eventually. It all just kinda sucks that for 3000cr there is no way to tweak the character further because the creation tool doesn't give us a true representation. The timer @Taleof2Cities suggested would be a good start. Even spending 1000cr for a simple appearance change should have that option too.

I actually forked out a further 1000cr to alter the appearance again as it was really bugging me. Whilst not perfect still, it did allow me to alter the features that I knew were different from what was displayed in the creator. I had to thin the lips considerably in the creator (which did look weird in the creator), but look a lot more to my taste in-game. Same with the cheekbones etc. She looks anorexic in the creator, but in-game she no longer looks like she has hamster pouches. It's bull that we have to 2nd guess the creator.

@ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom, it would be very much appreciated if this would be looked into or taken onboard. I'm not asking for a creator overhaul, just a small and realistic timer so we can make changes that aren't represented when you're making the character after purchasing a premium change token.

menedhyn

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

I'm on PS4 and I have no idea how to go about doing screen shots

If I remember correctly, press and hold (for a few seconds) the 'share' button next to the directional buttons. You'll get a confirmation message at the top of your screen. Images are saved in the Capture or Image Gallery folder.

pattyLtd

Even if they just gave us a one time chance to change it after getting out of the wailing prison would be a huge improvement.
You get bit better at character creation after a while though, so keep practici g OP

Nerouyn

There have been many complaints about this going all the way back to release.

Personally it took me six weeks - courtesy of the damned daily deletion limit - of creating characters and then getting them into the game where I could see them there, to get looks I liked.

One was particularly bad. I made an argonian who looked incredible in the creator but absolutely clownish in the game. The colours clashed dreadfully.

The only advice I can give you is to test before committing to any changes like this in future. If you're on PC, don't forget that there's the EU and NA server. Their daily deletion limits are separate so you can use the other server to achieve a look you're happy with more quickly.

Also, submit a ticket requesting that you be given a free appearance change token. If they refuse, take it to an external agency.

From a legal perspective ZO are on shaky ground here. Hypothetically speaking, if you lodged a complaint about this with a consumer agency or minor court I think you'd have a very, very good chance of winning.

code65536

If you have a free character slot, what you should do is create a new character with the appearance that you want, and screenshot all the slider positions. Then log into that character to see if it looks alright in actual gameplay. If not, delete it and try again, and if it looks right, then use those slider positions for the actual appearance change.

If you don't have a free character slot, then you can go do this on the PTS. Actually, if you have the PTS installed already, it's easier to just go do it on the PTS because you can "buy" free appearance change tokens on the PTS, so you won't need to delete-and-recreate if you need to make adjustments during the process.

Nerouyn

code65536 wrote: »

If you don't have a free character slot, then you can go do this on the PTS. Actually, if you have the PTS installed already, it's easier to just go do it on the PTS because you can "buy" free appearance change tokens on the PTS, so you won't need to delete-and-recreate if you need to make adjustments during the process.

That's very helpful to know. I'm pretty happy with how my characters look now but will do this if I ever think about tinkering.

Zaldan

Shame ZO$ decided not to make an in game barbershop, would've fixed all theses problems by allowing alterations while your character was in the game environment

VoxPatriam

It'd also be really nice to get into the character creator to look at your characters sliders/play around with different options, you just can't commit the changes unless you have the token, which you could purchase while in the character creator or at least the character page if you wanted/needed it.

Riejael

code65536 wrote: »

If you have a free character slot, what you should do is create a new character with the appearance that you want, and screenshot all the slider positions. Then log into that character to see if it looks alright in actual gameplay. If not, delete it and try again, and if it looks right, then use those slider positions for the actual appearance change.

If you don't have a free character slot, then you can go do this on the PTS. Actually, if you have the PTS installed already, it's easier to just go do it on the PTS because you can "buy" free appearance change tokens on the PTS, so you won't need to delete-and-recreate if you need to make adjustments during the process.

You know.. they should consider adding numerical values to those sliders. That makes recreating characters easier.

Or even better, let us save character files that we can load later. EQ2 and BDO do this. I'm sure there's others.

BuddyAces

Rofl this happens on pc too. There very very NOTICEABLE(sp??) differences between char creation screen and in game. Almost every time I create a new toon I end up remaking it once I see it in game. Seems to affect female toons immenesly more than male ones.

BuddyAces

Riejael wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

If you have a free character slot, what you should do is create a new character with the appearance that you want, and screenshot all the slider positions. Then log into that character to see if it looks alright in actual gameplay. If not, delete it and try again, and if it looks right, then use those slider positions for the actual appearance change.

If you don't have a free character slot, then you can go do this on the PTS. Actually, if you have the PTS installed already, it's easier to just go do it on the PTS because you can "buy" free appearance change tokens on the PTS, so you won't need to delete-and-recreate if you need to make adjustments during the process.

You know.. they should consider adding numerical values to those sliders. That makes recreating characters easier.

Or even better, let us save character files that we can load later. EQ2 and BDO do this. I'm sure there's others.

That would require time which equals money. They don't have the dev staff to fix half the broken *** in game. They sure as hell aren't going to be making QOL changes now. This is something that should have been in the base game.

Could still be hope. Could always say that you'd pay $$$ for this feature. Would probably appear in the crown store for 50$ or somethin.

Grymmoire

Yes make it a happy holiday for us all and
JUST DO IT!!!!

Nerouyn

code65536 wrote: »

You know.. they should consider adding numerical values to those sliders. That makes recreating characters easier.

Or even better, let us save character files that we can load later. EQ2 and BDO do this. I'm sure there's others.

Yes a save option is what's needed. Star Trek Online also has one which saves your design to a small file on your own computer.

Presently I count the slider position and record in an excel file.

BuddyAces wrote: »

That would require time which equals money.

Very little really.

A tiny amount of code to record a series of numbers (i.e. slider positions) to either a file on your local machine or to their database.

A save and load button to save and load that series of numbers.

A basic display to list and rename saved designs.

Even the most incapable coder could probably whip that up in a few hours.

WalksonGraves

At least make it purchasable with gold 30$ to change race is madness.

Vyle_Byte

Yup, in 3 yrs I cant tell you how many times Ive created something that looked amazing in creation and then got into the world and went oooooh no... delete, try again.

Jeremy

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Not sure if it's purely down to the difference in lighting or something else, but after purchasing a race change token, I opted to change my Dunmer to a Nord, however, whilst I gave the character angular facial features, outside the character creator, she has hamster cheeks and bloated lips. She looks ridiculous. That's not all, she also has a different hair style (that's not a biggie at all). All values were locked and short of throwing another 1000crs for an appearance token, just for it to turn out differently again no doubt, I wish they would give us a character creator that gave us a better representation of what we actually created. The way the creator is locked after creation, it's a costly pain up the backside.

Those race change tokens aren't cheap, yet one of the features it offers us is fundamentally flawed. Happened in Skyrim too to a lesser extent, but at least we had an in-game option to fix those issues.

This has happened to me before. I created a character - looked cool in the editor - but then when I logged into the actual game with him he looked stupid.

So you're not the only one who this has happened to.

WalksonGraves

I made a hot lady with gaunt cheeks and in game they are puffed out. It was pretty noticeable since it went from min to max.

Prof_Bawbag

Still not happy with my DK nord and I'm tempted to just bin her. However, I've spent 4000crs on the character (race change and 2nd appearance change), she's lvl 20 and as you do, she has had her mount training done for the last 3 months (when she was a dunmer) before I decided to take advantage of the double xp fest.

Her lips still look awful and I'm not entirely happy with the eyes and cheeks. I dunno if I'm just being overly *** over the whole thing now simply because the seed has been planted insofar as she still doesn't resemble what I thought I had made. I can usually let slight niggles bypass me, but I think it's because I have spent so much crowns to alter the character. Wish I had just kept the dunmer and went magicka DK rather than a stam DK tank. It was the only reason I forked out for the race change and because the crowns were currently on sale.

I have taken some shots of her in the creator and some outside and will post them here when a) I find time over the holidays and b) I can figure out how to move pictures from my PS4 onto a device that is easy to crop and host pics on the net.

Prof_Bawbag

Also, I'll garner the opinions of others as I may just be being overly critical now. It could be like when you wallpaper a room and make a mistake, it bugs you, yet no one else notices it. But you yourself know it's there, though. If others here notice a big difference, I will lodge a ticket with ZoS as I did not get the full benefit of the race change or the appearance change token.

NewBlacksmurf

It's really off as in it seems to be two different things

Video: http://xboxclips.com/NewBlacksmurf/e76b4055-331c-4df8-8489-70697f254172

Prof_Bawbag

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

It's really off as in it seems to be two different things

Video: http://xboxclips.com/NewBlacksmurf/e76b4055-331c-4df8-8489-70697f254172

Yup, your character's cheek lines are the first thing that jump out at you once you go from the creator to the character select screen. The chin isn't as well defined either. My character looks different in all 3. The creator, character select screen and in-game. My one looks absolutely awful still in the select screen.

bebynnag

when i made my 1st character back at xbox launch, i make a ginger khajit with a mohawk
after being bitten by a vampire her fur obioulsy became (almost) white and her hair became dreadlocks
after curing her of her 'affliction' she had blonde hair (same tabby pattern) and her hair remained as dreadlocks

i had photographic evidence and contacted support & they apologised syaing there was nothing they could do

when the hair pack came to crown store i hurredly bought her, her old hair (she's become accustomed to the blonder fur) but every time i change zones her hair reverts to dreadlocks, her piercings vanish & she looses her hair band

Nerouyn

puffytheslayer wrote: »

when i made my 1st character back at xbox launch, i make a ginger khajit with a mohawk
after being bitten by a vampire her fur obioulsy became (almost) white and her hair became dreadlocks
after curing her of her 'affliction' she had blonde hair (same tabby pattern) and her hair remained as dreadlocks

i had photographic evidence and contacted support & they apologised syaing there was nothing they could do

when the hair pack came to crown store i hurredly bought her, her old hair (she's become accustomed to the blonder fur) but every time i change zones her hair reverts to dreadlocks, her piercings vanish & she looses her hair band

If this is true then you absolutely should not accept their answer of there's nothing they can do.

You paid for this product. You are legally entitled to it in good working order. This isn't that.

If you're inclined to be generous and give them another opportunity, lodge another CS ticket. If not or if they don't fix it, lodge a complaint with BBB. They have no legal authority but are good at negotiating resolutions to problems like this. If that doesn't work, lodge a complaint with your local consumer protection agency or small claims court.

Wing

i am really all for the character editor features lasting for a few hours, touch ups are usually always required.