Elemental Fury – PvE Heavy Attack DK Build (Wolfhunter Ready)

hedna123b14_ESO · April 2018

Next patch bis will be 5 bsw/5 acuity 2 zaan

Banana · April 2018

Ya bar setup says vma lightning. Is that right because ya parses looked like inferno. Im a bit thick so be gentle.

jypcy · April 2018

Glad to see this build getting updated again. Took inspiration from previous iterations of it to make a viable magdk in the current patch.

Since the sustain is so good on your parse sheet and with the buff to light attacks, I’m wondering if you’ve tested a spammable on the front bar to use every other rotation. Molten armaments+vma destro+IA+heavies all synergize so well that I wouldn’t be surprised if a spammable actually yields lower dps, but it at least seems like you could probably sustain an alternating ha/la rotation with this build.

Will aim to test it out myself too, just can’t right now since I’m obviously being quite productive at work

Edit: I’d probably move shield/drain or foo to back bar to replace magelight, but again, interested to hear if you’ve already tested with results for some version of this build on pts.

Milchbart · April 2018

LordGodzilla wrote: »

As I said, you can see my picture here :

.......

So you begin before the fight with 5O > 5M > 4M > and begin :

5M?
Why?

coplannb16_ESO · April 2018

what about 5 BSW 5 Elfbane 2 Zaan (Elfbane increases Zaan too and helps with sustain due to less recasting of our fire-dots. this opens up more time for LA/HA or even Whip-Spamming)

Masel · April 2018

coplannb16_ESO wrote: »

what about 5 BSW 5 Elfbane 2 Zaan (Elfbane increases Zaan too and helps with sustain due to less recasting of our fire-dots. this opens up more time for LA/HA or even Whip-Spamming)

Point of this build is to not use a spammable^^ Elfbane+BSW can be quite nice yeah, but aether simply gives more damage...

hedna123b14_ESO · April 2018

coplannb16_ESO wrote: »

what about 5 BSW 5 Elfbane 2 Zaan (Elfbane increases Zaan too and helps with sustain due to less recasting of our fire-dots. this opens up more time for LA/HA or even Whip-Spamming)

Damage is too low..best I've been able to get with elfbane is 43.5k on 6 mil....but 5bsw/5acuity consistently gives these numbers: https://imgur.com/a/W43Pl

pizzaow · April 2018

Banana wrote: »

I read somewhere the Elegance 5 piece bonus doesnt scale well and you dont actually get anything close to the 20% bonus?

Yes. I made the mistake of golding out a set of elegance hoping it would help, but the buff is additive based on the base heavy attack value. In other words it doesn't scale with Molten Armaments, Off balance, minor vulnerability... etc.

Without elegance my heavy attack ticks will crit for about 16K, with elegance they only went up to 17K (and all my dots/aoes went down significantly). Elegance might have a place for an overload sorc who doesn't scale up heavy attacks with other buffs, but it's hugely disappointing for this build.

pizzaow · April 2018

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Next patch bis will be 5 bsw/5 acuity 2 zaan

I suspect this will also be BiS for the heavy attack rotation too! Thanks to all of you for testing on the PTS!

Masel · April 2018

pizzaow wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Next patch bis will be 5 bsw/5 acuity 2 zaan

I suspect this will also be BiS for the heavy attack rotation too! Thanks to all of you for testing on the PTS!

I got more with infallible aether though. I'm still undecided whether it'll be nice to have one with aether in the group or go for another acuity...

hedna123b14_ESO · April 2018

pizzaow wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Next patch bis will be 5 bsw/5 acuity 2 zaan

I suspect this will also be BiS for the heavy attack rotation too! Thanks to all of you for testing on the PTS!

Most likely

hedna123b14_ESO · April 2018

Masel92 wrote: »

pizzaow wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Next patch bis will be 5 bsw/5 acuity 2 zaan

I suspect this will also be BiS for the heavy attack rotation too! Thanks to all of you for testing on the PTS!

I got more with infallible aether though. I'm still undecided whether it'll be nice to have one with aether in the group or go for another acuity...

Infal for unoptimized groups right?

Masel · April 2018

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

pizzaow wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Next patch bis will be 5 bsw/5 acuity 2 zaan

I suspect this will also be BiS for the heavy attack rotation too! Thanks to all of you for testing on the PTS!

I got more with infallible aether though. I'm still undecided whether it'll be nice to have one with aether in the group or go for another acuity...

Infal for unoptimized groups right?

Ya, if you're in a fully optimised group you wouldn*t use this build anyway

Cybercore_Death · April 2018

Masel92 wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

pizzaow wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Next patch bis will be 5 bsw/5 acuity 2 zaan

I suspect this will also be BiS for the heavy attack rotation too! Thanks to all of you for testing on the PTS!

I got more with infallible aether though. I'm still undecided whether it'll be nice to have one with aether in the group or go for another acuity...

Infal for unoptimized groups right?

Ya, if you're in a fully optimised group you wouldn*t use this build anyway

I don’t know, I’ve used this DK build (with my previous posted setup) before #OffBalanceGate in raids flawless on Vet. I also use still your Eruption Stam DK Build (but with my own skill and CP adjustments) and that runs flawlessly in Vet raids. I’ll add that I’m also a Dunmer for the Stam build because #MasterRace haha

coplannb16_ESO · April 2018

@Masel92 : in your vid you do the HA rotation with the Aether Lighting Staff. I suppose for aoe/trash scenario this is best, but wouldnt a fire HA provide better damage on bosses/dummies (esp. on Dumner, also +8% single target damage, +12 % fully charged heavy attack damage due to destro passives). if its about "some" off-balance for the occassional +40% HA damage and resource return a shock glyph would be sufficient.
no?

edit:
also due to no longer using Ilambris the additional shock damage is not necessary to proc both parts of the set

jypcy · April 2018

coplannb16_ESO wrote: »

@Masel92 : in your vid you do the HA rotation with the Aether Lighting Staff. I suppose for aoe/trash scenario this is best, but wouldnt a fire HA provide better damage on bosses/dummies (esp. on Dumner, also +8% single target damage, +12 % fully charged heavy attack damage due to destro passives). if its about "some" off-balance for the occassional +40% HA damage and resource return a shock glyph would be sufficient.
no?

edit:
also due to no longer using Ilambris the additional shock damage is not necessary to proc both parts of the set

The shock heavy is a pulse, so with the maelstrom staff, each pulse gets buffed. For a fire heavy, which is a single lob, only that single attack gets the buff. Masel gives an explanation (probably better than mine) in the original post for why you’d use a shock staff.

kts · May 2018

So will this heavy attack build be able to pull 40k+ self buffed on a 6m dummy next patch? I've seen some people pulling like 45k+ but I'm assuming thats with light attack spamming

edit:
just realized you updated the OP, cant wait for summerset to drop looks great
From the most recent pts v4.0.2
Decreased the damage done by all Light Attacks by approximately 20%.
Decreased the damage done by all Heavy Attacks by approximately 13%.

Masel · May 2018

kts wrote: »

So will this heavy attack build be able to pull 40k+ self buffed on a 6m dummy next patch? I've seen some people pulling like 45k+ but I'm assuming thats with light attack spamming

edit:
just realized you updated the OP, cant wait for summerset to drop looks great
From the most recent pts v4.0.2
Decreased the damage done by all Light Attacks by approximately 20%.
Decreased the damage done by all Heavy Attacks by approximately 13%.

That change to heavy attacks was kind of unnecessary, but I did dps tests yesterday, nothing changed really

Asardes · May 2018

I think they changed the formula for those slightly turning down the scaling constant, to account for maximum stat having an increased contribution. Had they left it as it was before, light and heavy attacks would have overperformed by about 30-40%.

PromiscuousNun · May 2018

Thanks for the update!
I'm trying something similar with a Sorc. Frontbar IA seems to do very fine there aswell btw.

(Also, how are you Masel? Found the forums, It's been a while

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Asardes · May 2018

If I were to make a variation of build for trash fights should I go Grothdarr (or Ilambris if the tank stacks them closer) instead of Zaan and Nirnhoned front bar? Also if I go double inferno for single target fights, will it result in higher damage if someone else (healer and/or sorcerer) is providing off-balance? At this point I have all the gear, including multiple IA staves of both types, less a medium or heavy divines Grothdarr piece.

Exodium · May 2018

Masel92 wrote: »

pizzaow wrote: »

Hey guys, I played with this guy over the weekend and here's a parse/rotation video (36.4); I'm using the same rotation as before, but swapped to acuity and zaan.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=lgOGDhCj9gE

Just hopped on the PTS, made a Mag DK and it is going strong again will test more over the next weeks, but this one is gonna get a major update!
2 Ilambris, 5 Undaunted infiltrator with transmuted rings to arcane and 5 BSW, vMA infused lightning back bar.

Hey guys quick question. Is it possible to get a close to max bsw uptime with a vma lightning backbar on magdk? Im worried I have to farm a vma inferno to get my BSW uptime decent.

This guys dps parse seems to show its possible though.

Cybercore_Death · May 2018

Exodium wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

pizzaow wrote: »

Hey guys, I played with this guy over the weekend and here's a parse/rotation video (36.4); I'm using the same rotation as before, but swapped to acuity and zaan.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=lgOGDhCj9gE

Just hopped on the PTS, made a Mag DK and it is going strong again will test more over the next weeks, but this one is gonna get a major update!
2 Ilambris, 5 Undaunted infiltrator with transmuted rings to arcane and 5 BSW, vMA infused lightning back bar.

Hey guys quick question. Is it possible to get a close to max bsw uptime with a vma lightning backbar on magdk? Im worried I have to farm a vma inferno to get my BSW uptime decent.

This guys dps parse seems to show its possible though.

Because MagDK skills are fire based you get max uptime one BSW even with shock staves. No vMA inferno requires

kts · May 2018

regarding the new jewllery traits, would infused or bloodthristy be any good or is it arcane all the way?

kts · June 2018

Tried making a ranged version of this build. They should totally increase the range of engulfing flames into a ranged ability so magDK's can be somewhat viable at long range and still provide support to the group.

coplannb16_ESO · June 2018

kts wrote: »

Tried making a ranged version of this build. They should totally increase the range of engulfing flames into a ranged ability so magDK's can be somewhat viable at long range and still provide support to the group.

agree, but Id favour a ranged version of burning embers. My proposal was/is that burning embers should inherit the range of the equiped weapon, staff/bow -> 28m, melee: 6-8 meter. for balance purpose you could argue that 28m embers should be reflectable. Think of the boss of CoAI, he does a burning-embers arrow/charged shot. well his ember is also stronger (stacks I think).

SmellyUnlimited · July 2018

I was very interested in thus build, until I saw the Lover mundus. That’ll add 3-4K, where in a group environment that’d be overpenetrating.

I’d love to see a lightning staff build as DK’s heavy attack is so strong, but unfortunately nothing can beat double inferno now. DK’s do it, Magblades, Magplar’s, it’s sad but it’s a dps loss otherwise.

I’d love for ice staffs and maces to also be competitive, but we have to play the hand we’re dealt.

Masel · July 2018

SmellyUnlimited wrote: »

I was very interested in thus build, until I saw the Lover mundus. That’ll add 3-4K, where in a group environment that’d be overpenetrating.

I’d love to see a lightning staff build as DK’s heavy attack is so strong, but unfortunately nothing can beat double inferno now. DK’s do it, Magblades, Magplar’s, it’s sad but it’s a dps loss otherwise.

I’d love for ice staffs and maces to also be competitive, but we have to play the hand we’re dealt.

Then just use the apprentice or thief in a group, what's the problem?

This build is ofc not ideal, but people still like the playstyle.

coplannb16_ESO · July 2018

@Masel92 instead of IA wouldnt Siroria be better?

Obviously it requires a less mobile playstyle, e.g. I dont think it will be really good in vMA for instance, but versus dummy it adds quiet some DPS. I also think that Ilambris is better than Zaan in vMA because it is ground-aoe Damage and therefor much more helpful versus Crystals.

I got myself a fire Siroria staff and thus switched from Martial Knowledge + BSW + vMA Lightning Backbar to Siroria/BSW (Siroria Fire Frontbar) and also switched to a vMA Fire Backbar. I thought if I cannot Lightning front-bar I can as well also go fire backbar so my fire Blockade gets enhanced by the Burning effect and off-balance is pretty useless right now and I went with elemental weapon instead of Power Lash as "spammable". ofc I now recover less magicka due to less heavy attacks (fire heavy attacks are slow, cluncy and single target, also light attacks do more damage...). I dont know yet. I kinda miss Lightning channels.

Masel · July 2018

Updated for Wolfhunter.