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A bit more friendly if it says "removed" from guild instead of "kicked"
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✭✭✭✭✭OrphanHelgen wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »OrphanHelgen wrote: »
Changing it is a waste of time.
Zos priority on this is the 1,563,379 so it will eventually be changed in the year 2027.
Seriously, it's such a non issue and not worth the effort for Zos.
Im sure it takes less time then you spent commenting on my post
Which would be time better spent by Zos doing anything. It is just changing one word in a database and nothing more.
But such a non issue that it's not worth it. Besides, it's a care bear issue and that would do nothing for the game.2 -
GDOFWR420✭✭✭✭You all need diapers. Crying over the word "kicked" your all pathetic. Little snowflakes.1 -
raidentenshu_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Geeze if you feel that guilty of "KICKING" someone from the guild then don't do it at all.
What's the difference between the word "Kicking" and "removing"?
I like the word "Kicking" just the way it is. Just because you feel guilty doesn't mean that the word has to be replaced.Edited by raidentenshu_ESO on December 7, 2016 5:59PM3 -
BlackSparrow✭✭✭✭✭
✭In before you get called a whiny SJW for having an opinion.
Well that didn't take long
What some of the above posters need to realize is that no one's really crying and screaming for this to happen. I agree with the OP that it would be a positive change, but I'm not really expecting the devs to do it or anything, and it's not really something I'd ever even want to be a priority for the dev team.
It's just something to talk about, because it would be neato. Nothing more.Edited by BlackSparrow on December 7, 2016 6:05PMLiving vicariously through my characters.
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Nephikah the Houseless, dunmer assassin: "I suppose I could use the break. I have a lot of business holdings now that need management."
Swum-Many-Waters, elderly argonian healer: "I think that I would enjoy writing a memoir."
Silh'ki, khajiit warrior-chef: "Would this one be able to go outside, to the nearby river? It's hard to fish without water!"
Peregrine Huntress, bosmer hunter: "Who is forcing me to stay inside, and where can I find them?"
Lorenyawe, altmer mechanist: "And why would I want to go outside in the first place? Too much to be done in the workshop."
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Rasheda the Burning Heart, redguard knight: "I would continue my training to keep my skills sharp."
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✭✭OH NOES, the word "kicked" is such a violent, trashy word amiright?.... nope, next people will say that you shouldn't be able to remove people at all, just to make sure their feelings aren't hurt at all.Beware the battle cattle, but don't *fear* the battle cattle!4 -
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✭✭Stovahkiin wrote: »OH NOES, the word "kicked" is such a violent, trashy word amiright?.... nope, next people will say that you shouldn't be able to remove people at all, just to make sure their feelings aren't hurt at all.
Pass out the Disney coloring books with crayons, and bring out the puppies and therapy dogs.
The word "Kick" is now politically incorrect word to use. It might hurt peoples feelings.Edited by raidentenshu_ESO on December 7, 2016 6:36PM4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭BlackSparrow wrote: »In before you get called a whiny SJW for having an opinion.
Well that didn't take long
What some of the above posters need to realize is that no one's really crying and screaming for this to happen. I agree with the OP that it would be a positive change, but I'm not really expecting the devs to do it or anything, and it's not really something I'd ever even want to be a priority for the dev team.
It's just something to talk about, because it would be neato. Nothing more.
Yeah I was worried I was going to miss the window of opportunity, but I guess the crowd boiling with indignation anytime someone wants a change was sleeping in today. Very lucky!!Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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✭danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »This thread has triggered me.
The word kick is completely unacceptable, as is removed. I believe that we should change this to "hugged out of guild by way of unicorn" and award them with a completely justifiable participation award in the most inclusive font available.
Of course this is just my opinion and everyone knows all opinions are always welcome in exactly equal measure from all sources.
I will now retire to my safe place and pet my bad feelings animal.
OMG I agree completely! These micro-aggressive terms make me uncomfortable. Everything should be a safe space filled with snuggly unicorns and happy, smiling rainbows! The word "removed" is way too exclusive, and it makes me feel sad ): If you have a differing opinion than mine, it clearly does not belong in this happy sunshine world. Everyone is a winner!!!!!!!!!!!
Disclaimer for those with no commond sense: This is clearly sarcasm. If you do not see that, something is seriously wrong with you.Edited by MythicEmperor on December 7, 2016 6:39PMWith cold regards,
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✭Trump won on the no more PC premise, I think we will see even meaner things than "kicked", more like "was a horrible player" or "too much of a noob to stay out of red". May even be a timer like the pug timer, "15 days to L2P, before another guild has to carry through group runs".1 -
MythicEmperor✭✭✭✭✭
✭Trump won on the no more PC premise, I think we will see even meaner things than "kicked", more like "was a horrible player" or "too much of a noob to stay out of red". May even be a timer like the pug timer, "15 days to L2P, before another guild has to carry through group runs".
Oh deary me, such an EVIl use of strong diction! I cannot fathom how anyone could possibly deal with these mean words!!!!! They are just.... Terrible.... I am starting to cry just reading it! They make me feel sad ): Excuse me, I need to cry myself to sleep with my unicorn, Sniffles. Ze always makes me feel better!!!!!
I cannot believe that people actually take things like this seriously. If this really bothers you, then clearly you have never experienced the real world. This is not a kid's game. Please do not ruin the game
with petty complaints and toddler-like feelings.
Edited by MythicEmperor on December 7, 2016 6:53PMWith cold regards,
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bellanca6561n✭✭✭✭✭
✭Bloody hell!
The tone of an online game is set by myriad small decisions, not just the big ones. There is no harm in changing the wording and no real work involved.
If you need to vent about manufactured cultural issues use a different forum.7 -
Stovahkiin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭MythicEmperor wrote: »Trump won on the no more PC premise, I think we will see even meaner things than "kicked", more like "was a horrible player" or "too much of a noob to stay out of red". May even be a timer like the pug timer, "15 days to L2P, before another guild has to carry through group runs".
Oh deary me, such an EVIl use of strong diction! I cannot fathom how anyone could possibly deal with these mean words!!!!! They are just.... Terrible.... I am starting to cry just reading it! They make me feel sad ): Excuse me, I need to cry myself to sleep with my unicorn, Sniffles. Ze always makes me feel better!!!!!
I cannot believe that people actually take things like this seriously. If this really bothers you, then clearly you have never experienced the real world. This is not a kid's game. Please do not ruin the game
with petty complaints and toddler-like feelings.MythicEmperor wrote: »Trump won on the no more PC premise, I think we will see even meaner things than "kicked", more like "was a horrible player" or "too much of a noob to stay out of red". May even be a timer like the pug timer, "15 days to L2P, before another guild has to carry through group runs".
Oh deary me, such an EVIl use of strong diction! I cannot fathom how anyone could possibly deal with these mean words!!!!! They are just.... Terrible.... I am starting to cry just reading it! They make me feel sad ): Excuse me, I need to cry myself to sleep with my unicorn, Sniffles. Ze always makes me feel better!!!!!
*tips hat towards Mythic*Beware the battle cattle, but don't *fear* the battle cattle!0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭OrphanHelgen wrote: »I help running an end game guild, and sometimes we have to make the unpleasant decision to remove players from the guild. It doesn't need to be bad feelings or anything. When you right click on a player, you get the option to "remove" him from guild, but on the guild history, the word "kicked" are used. I feel this looks more negative then the situation is, and some players can get uncomfortable when they see this. Just a small detail of a thought I had
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Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I say leave it as is.
It accurately describes what is going on. Someone broke a rule, caused a disruption, or did something else contrary to good sense. The word for removing someone in any of those situation is kicked.
Is it negative? That's a matter of opinion. I could say 'has been removed' is offensive to me, and I could make an argument that removing a part from the whole has a spiritual context. So does that mean we have to find something else? Maybe that's offensive to someone else too?
No.. the word has no bearing on real world ethics or sensibilities and has been used in MMORPGs for at least 17 years. Let it stay. Its a word used like Mob instead of mobile object, agro to determine how much attention a mob gives a player, and raid to describe a group of groups. Its part of MMORPG culture.
Did you seriously just write that?
Anyway, personally I don't really care. If it was changed to "removed", that's fine. As long as it's still a word that has some kind of resemblance as to what's happening, it's all good.0 -
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If I had a dollar for every time I had to explain to new members that no, it's not a mass exodus, please don't panic, I'm just cleaning the roster of inactives...Agreed. And there is another issue. Other members in the guild see a message saying "@randomguildie left SoAndSo Guild" when actually they were kicked. To me this is a way bigger deal than the way they worded a member being removed. For obvious reasons.
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Balamoor✭✭✭✭✭
✭Give the one removing a choice.
Removed
Kicked
Banished
Ridden out of the guild on a rail.
Tarred,feathered, then kicked.
That should give the Kickee a better sense of why.5 -
Stovahkiin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Give the one removing a choice.
Removed
Kicked
Banished
Ridden out of the guild on a rail.
Tarred,feathered, then kicked.
That should give the Kickee a better sense of why.
Since we apparently don't want to hurt anyone in any way, we'll have to change it to:
"(Player name) was politely and respectfully walked out the front door and then was given an ice cream cone and a pat on the head."Beware the battle cattle, but don't *fear* the battle cattle!2 -
Adamon2✭✭✭You're now free from the requirements of your former guild. And you're a beautiful person. Here's a cookie.
Then the program can make your character sparkle for the next hour.
Bleh!
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Spearshard✭✭✭✭So, in a game where you kill things, murder, steal, loot dead bodies, blow stuff up, you are surrounded by walking skeletons and zombies and you take issue with the term kicked? Just saying.2
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MythicEmperor✭✭✭✭✭
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Why thank you, good sirStovahkiin wrote: »*tips hat towards Mythic*
Don't forget to give them a warm, cuddly hug and tell them what a winner they are!Stovahkiin wrote: »Give the one removing a choice.
Removed
Kicked
Banished
Ridden out of the guild on a rail.
Tarred,feathered, then kicked.
That should give the Kickee a better sense of why.
Since we apparently don't want to hurt anyone in any way, we'll have to change it to:
"(Player name) was politely and respectfully walked out the front door and then was given an ice cream cone and a pat on the head."
Edited by MythicEmperor on December 7, 2016 9:24PMWith cold regards,
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timidobserver✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭This thread takes political correctness up to a whole new level.Edited by timidobserver on December 7, 2016 9:26PMV16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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MythicEmperor✭✭✭✭✭
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Trust me, PC is already at this level.timidobserver wrote: »This thread takes PC up to a whole new level.
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Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@guildleader kicked @randommember from Guild. Have a nice day
I lol'd.
I can definitely see where you're coming from OP and it wouldn't be too bad. Its also more formal, so people might like that?.. Idk.@ Izaki #PCEU
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SolarCat02✭✭✭✭✭The people removed can't see it, just the people still in the guild.
Since most times it's removing someone for inactivity rather than kicking someone for something bad, the "removed" language just seems cleaner.Why be normal when you can be better?
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AsteriaStarfall✭✭✭OrphanHelgen wrote: »I feel this looks more negative then the situation is, and some players can get uncomfortable when they see this. Just a small detail of a thought I had
Do the officers and guild members also require a safe space?
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Nice to see someone understands me
If I had a dollar for every time I had to explain to new members that no, it's not a mass exodus, please don't panic, I'm just cleaning the roster of inactives...Agreed. And there is another issue. Other members in the guild see a message saying "@randomguildie left SoAndSo Guild" when actually they were kicked. To me this is a way bigger deal than the way they worded a member being removed. For obvious reasons. Not sure why a bunch of people came in and complained the OP was offended by the word kicked, I don't think anyone said that xD
But yeah on topic, it would be interesting if we could select a reason for the kick. Literally tick remove and a box comes up and says Reason: and there's a couple options. And it either sends mail or notification message to the person that was kicked. And it also shows up in the guild history for other members to see. And of course the written and audio notification that members get also says the reason, or at least that they were kicked/removed, not incorrectly saying they left Priests of Hircine
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TheShadowScout✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭How about some choices?
Like... the guildie doing the, uhm,. evictzion, getting to decide what phrase to use...
Kicked from the guild.
Removed from the rolls.
Downsized.
Asked to leave.
Exiled.
Sent off to pursue their true self(elsewhere).
Slapped away with a rubber chicken.
Retired.
Tarred and feathered and only still around because as a vestige the hanging didn't take.
You know... friendly stuff like that...
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✭✭✭✭This is similar to when a cop tells you to have a nice rest if your day after he hands you a $300 ticket.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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