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A bit more friendly if it says "removed" from guild instead of "kicked"
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I help running an end game guild, and sometimes we have to make the unpleasant decision to remove players from the guild. It doesn't need to be bad feelings or anything. When you right click on a player, you get the option to "remove" him from guild, but on the guild history, the word "kicked" are used. I feel this looks more negative then the situation is, and some players can get uncomfortable when they see this. Just a small detail of a thought I had 
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cyberjanet✭✭✭✭✭Agreed.
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SolarCat02✭✭✭✭✭I agree!
If you go by the implications of the word, I have only kicked two people from the guild (racial slurs and other hateful language are not welcome here), but have removed quite a few (mostly inactivity).
If I am cleaning up the roster to remove inactives, I usually get at least one question about why I kicked a bunch of people. I now make sure to add a note to the MotD, but a change to language from Kicked to Removed would be very welcome!Why be normal when you can be better?
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Junipus✭✭✭✭✭I'm obligated to agree that it's a good idea given my current employment, however personally I think that anyone who can't accept the use of the term "kicked" when it refers to others and themselves probably isn't the most mature/stable/stoic/accepting person to have in a guild.The Legendary Nothing3 -
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✭I would rather go with "BANISHED FOR HIS CRIMES AGAINST THE GUILD", but I'm okay with removed or kicked.“Kings of the land and the sky we are; proud gryphons.” Stalker stands, the epitome of pride. Naked and muscular, his wings widen and his feet dig in as if he alone holds down the earth and supports the heavens, keeping the two ever separate.”
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✭It's a matter of unnecessary shaming through thoughtless wording.
And if folks running guilds are bothered by this that's all that need be said.
An aside, Zenimax held a guild leader summit during the first year of the game. Have they held one since? Seemed like a good idea.Edited by bellanca6561n on December 7, 2016 3:59PM4 -
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Soundwave✭✭✭OrphanHelgen wrote: »I help running an end game guild, and sometimes we have to make the unpleasant decision to remove players from the guild. It doesn't need to be bad feelings or anything. When you right click on a player, you get the option to "remove" him from guild, but on the guild history, the word "kicked" are used. I feel this looks more negative then the situation is, and some players can get uncomfortable when they see this. Just a small detail of a thought I had
Seriously, oh my gosh I hurt your feelings. So what, it's just a game. If you got kicked you did something that was against the guilds policy. It's the same thing we u get fired from a company, should we change that to; because it hurt someone's feelings.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭If you kick them from the guild they cannot see the message in the guild roster history so not a big deal.3 -
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✭✭I'm obligated to agree that it's a good idea given my current employment, however personally I think that anyone who can't accept the use of the term "kicked" when it refers to others and themselves probably isn't the most mature/stable/stoic/accepting person to have in a guild.
Its more for the current players in the guild, those who look at the guild roosterGiles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »If you kick them from the guild they cannot see the message in the guild roster history so not a big deal.
Its more for the current players in the guild, those who look at the guild roosterOrphanHelgen wrote: »I help running an end game guild, and sometimes we have to make the unpleasant decision to remove players from the guild. It doesn't need to be bad feelings or anything. When you right click on a player, you get the option to "remove" him from guild, but on the guild history, the word "kicked" are used. I feel this looks more negative then the situation is, and some players can get uncomfortable when they see this. Just a small detail of a thought I had
Seriously, oh my gosh I hurt your feelings. So what, it's just a game. If you got kicked you did something that was against the guilds policy. It's the same thing we u get fired from a company, should we change that to; because it hurt someone's feelings.
Not everyone take things the same way. Its also common to fire people in a nice way, just as its possible to "remove" people from a guild in a nice way PC, EU server, Ebonheart Pact
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✭OrphanHelgen wrote: »I help running an end game guild, and sometimes we have to make the unpleasant decision to remove players from the guild. It doesn't need to be bad feelings or anything. When you right click on a player, you get the option to "remove" him from guild, but on the guild history, the word "kicked" are used. I feel this looks more negative then the situation is, and some players can get uncomfortable when they see this. Just a small detail of a thought I had
Seriously, oh my gosh I hurt your feelings. So what, it's just a game. If you got kicked you did something that was against the guilds policy. It's the same thing we u get fired from a company, should we change that to; because it hurt someone's feelings.
I think that's exactly the point. The word "kicked" has a specific meaning along the same lines as "fired." You did something wrong, ergo you got kicked.
But people being removed from guilds isn't always about that. Sometimes, it's just a case of the guild reaching near capacity, and so the guild leaders trim out the people who haven't been on in 4+ months, since they're assumed to be inactive.
The word "kicked" has specific connotations. I'd have to say that "removed" is just more pleasant for everyone all around. No harm in that. Living vicariously through my characters.
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✭✭Agreed. And there is another issue. Other members in the guild see a message saying "@randomguildie left SoAndSo Guild" when actually they were kicked. To me this is a way bigger deal than the way they worded a member being removed. For obvious reasons.Priests of Hircine
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Its not a major problem, but I thought people was sick and tired of reading about viper proc in cyrodiil, so I thought I could weave in a different topic
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deevoh1991✭✭✭Well basically the group hates you/the person and wants you/the person out
Kicked or removed sounds like potayto or potahto.PSN GT : Divzor0 -
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✭✭Well basically the group hates you/the person and wants you/the person out
Kicked or removed sounds like potayto or potahto.
If its potayto potahto for you, then it doesnt matter if its getting changed either I guess.PC, EU server, Ebonheart Pact
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borgking✭✭✭I guarantee the people voting on " removing " someone from the party will not be using the word " remove " when discussing it...you can bet your last dollar the words banded around will be KICK THE USELESS G*T
.if it flashes up on screen X was removed from the party...do you honestly think that it will make the KICKED player feel any better?
Hmm..dont think soEdited by borgking on December 7, 2016 4:43PM0 -
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✭✭I guarantee the people voting on " removing " someone from the party will not be using the word " remove " when discussing it...you can bet your last dollar the word banded around will be KICK THE USELESS G*T
but...if it flashes up on scrren X was removed from the party...do ytou honeestly think that will make the KICKED
Im talking about the history of the guild activities, not the group toolEdited by OrphanHelgen on December 7, 2016 4:43PMPC, EU server, Ebonheart Pact
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✭✭✭✭✭In before you get called a whiny SJW for having an opinion.
For real though I totes agree. A minor issue, but since it's just text I'm pretty sure, as a coder, that it would be a trivial fix. Sound like a job for the Language and Localization team.Edited by Recremen on December 7, 2016 4:45PMMen'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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✭✭✭✭✭OrphanHelgen wrote: »
Changing it is a waste of time.
Zos priority on this is the 1,563,379 so it will eventually be changed in the year 2027.
Seriously, it's such a non issue and not worth the effort for Zos.1 -
modaretto✭✭✭Well reading some of the comments I think that if we had a *facepalm* button next to agree and insightful I think forums would be a better place too
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✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »OrphanHelgen wrote: »
Changing it is a waste of time.
Zos priority on this is the 1,563,379 so it will eventually be changed in the year 2027.
Seriously, it's such a non issue and not worth the effort for Zos.
Im sure it takes less time then you spent commenting on my postPC, EU server, Ebonheart Pact
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✭✭✭✭✭@guildleader kicked @randommember from Guild. Have a nice day"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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Riejael✭✭✭✭✭I say leave it as is.
It accurately describes what is going on. Someone broke a rule, caused a disruption, or did something else contrary to good sense. The word for removing someone in any of those situation is kicked.
Is it negative? That's a matter of opinion. I could say 'has been removed' is offensive to me, and I could make an argument that removing a part from the whole has a spiritual context. So does that mean we have to find something else? Maybe that's offensive to someone else too?
No.. the word has no bearing on real world ethics or sensibilities and has been used in MMORPGs for at least 17 years. Let it stay. Its a word used like Mob instead of mobile object, agro to determine how much attention a mob gives a player, and raid to describe a group of groups. Its part of MMORPG culture.2 -
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✭✭✭✭This thread has triggered me.
The word kick is completely unacceptable, as is removed. I believe that we should change this to "hugged out of guild by way of unicorn" and award them with a completely justifiable participation award in the most inclusive font available.
Of course this is just my opinion and everyone knows all opinions are always welcome in exactly equal measure from all sources.
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