Do not buy Crown Crates!!!
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wayfarerx✭✭✭✭✭
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Okay let me take this slowly then.
If something doesn't sell well, you pull it from the market. That is good business practice.
As of now with people buying them by the truckload, complaining about it rings hollow because it still sends the message you're willing to pay for it no matter how much you don't like it.
Why exactly are you assuming that the people complaining are also buying crates? Since other people are buying them the ones who are not don't get to complain?@wayfarerx - PC / North America / Aldmeri Dominion2 -
omfgitsbatman✭✭✭✭
Okay let me take this slowly then.
If something doesn't sell well, you pull it from the market. That is good business practice.
As of now with people buying them by the truckload, complaining about it rings hollow because it still sends the message you're willing to pay for it no matter how much you don't like it.
Let's take this even more slowly.
Doing as you said might benefit you short term, but it does erode consumer trust. Which is why companies that operate in "good faith", tend to perform better/have a healthier and more sustainable consumer base. There are only so many times you can sell comeone crap.Edited by omfgitsbatman on December 1, 2016 7:06PMHe's the healer Tamriel deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hurt his tank. Because he can heal them to full. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful rejuvinator. A Cloaked Healer.
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Amyxleexownsxu✭✭✭It is RNG no two people will have the same results. Some people like me get lucky (30 crates-4 mounts + other goodies), while others like my friend buy 70 crates and no mounts. It is a gamble/risk for sure. But it is also ur choice.PC/NA Since Beta!
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pattyLtd✭✭✭✭✭So now even the crown store is infected by their awesome RNG system.
Do you feel lucky?English is not my native language, no grammar police please, tyvm12 -
Yolokin_Swagonborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Shad0wfire99 wrote: »I think I'm just gonna start referring to them as "Clown Crates."
I tried to make that a thing back when the Clown Store first opened.4 -
runagate✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »
How did you know? The airflow on these kimonos is quite incredible.
Because I rebuild our breakfast nook and decorated it the way you love, but still you will not accept my invitations to my sleepovers (I built blanket forts!!!) and then have my famous crawdad, truffle oil and African horned cucumber marmalade-covered pannekoeken breakfast.
I still love you, baby.
And I love your new sig.2 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I will buy $300 of crown crates once they implement a better reward system in VMA. I can only handle so much horrible RNG at once...9 -
yodased✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I put it in the same boat as carnival games. Obviously that 6' stuffed bear isnt going to everyone and the rig the game so only the very knowledgeable, skilled or lucky win.
The poor saps who spend 50 bucks trying to impress their girl putting a rpund ball through an oval hole pay the billsTl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.5 -
SickDuck✭✭✭✭✭In what terms a mount is better than a tattoo or a potion? Probably the potion is the most useful since it gives you an advantage in the game when you use it. The tattoo gives no advantage at all. Same goes for the mount unless you have no mounts at all.
The list of useless things is disclosed, getting them makes no practical difference. How can this be a scam when the end result makes no measurable difference? You already know that you won't get anything that makes difference in gameplay before even spending the money.Holdviola - Khira'de Regalo - Lélekvadász - Used To Be An Adventurer - Zetor - Does-Not-Give-A-Duck - Lord Sugar - Tenar Arha - Da'rinka - Violent Moon - Extreme Runner4 -
MadLarkin✭✭✭✭
You guys are making a mountain out of a molehill. These are Team Fortress crates but instead of buying keys, they cut out the middleman and just sell you the crates.
If you can't cut it, don't buy it. That simple. Being angry because you aren't getting exactly what you want upfront is just being silly.
Except in Team Fortress the items can drop, and you can buy/sell the items directly from the Steam marketplace. Plus, Team Fortress is, you know, free. It doesn't have a price tag, an optional subscription, paid DLC, and a cash shop.
Why is it that people always leave out those little details when making these types of comparisons?16 -
omfgitsbatman✭✭✭✭In what terms a mount is better than a tattoo or a potion? Probably the potion is the most useful since it gives you an advantage in the game when you use it. The tattoo gives no advantage at all. Same goes for the mount unless you have no mounts at all.
The list of useless things is disclosed, getting them makes no practical difference. How can this be a scam when the end result makes no measurable difference? You already know that you won't get anything that makes difference in gameplay before even spending the money.
Yes, but you may not realize that the thing you used to pay 5k crowns for (the "coolest" mounts) will now probably cost you around 15k... This is not made explicitly clear. If the clown crate system ended up guaranteeing one of the apex mounts at around 5k crowns, this would be less outrageous.He's the healer Tamriel deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hurt his tank. Because he can heal them to full. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful rejuvinator. A Cloaked Healer.
@Omfgitsbatman PC/NA
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THEDKEXPERIENCE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I posted this in another thread but it's relevant here.
"How many of you have played FIFA Ultimate team, spent $100 on cards and never sniffed a Messi or Ronaldo? It's the same thing. ZOS ain't the first to do it, and certainly will not be the last. What they have done is totally within their industry standards. It is up to you to know when to say when. I always give myself a $20 Ultimate team budget and stick to it. You're gonna have to do the same."
No one has any idea what their chances of scoring a Ronaldo card but many spends hundreds and thousands ... and some probably hundreds of thousands ... to get one. If they don't they just scrap what they have for EA coins and eventually drop hundreds of thousands of those to get one. Sound familiar?
You should all consider yourself lucky that we're only talking about mounts, hats and costumes.8 -
ArrerBoy✭✭✭
You underestimate human desire for convenience over quality.omfgitsbatman wrote: »There are only so many times you can sell someone crap.
Those that have no intention have no investment in it.Why exactly are you assuming that the people complaining are also buying crates?Since other people are buying them the ones who are not don't get to complain?
No but their message will carry a notable bias. It creates this feeling that for every genuine concern for the product, there's a score more who are just angry they gambled and lost.3 -
MadLarkin✭✭✭✭danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »
Comcast is a garbage company, but they're the only option (at least where I live) for cable internet. FIOS isn't available (and I hear performance is wishy-washy). That is not the case with gaming. The market is over-saturated and that is precisely why having a good reputation with customers is becoming more important.5 -
ArrerBoy✭✭✭Comcast is a garbage company, but they're the only option (at least where I live) for cable internet. FIOS isn't available (and I hear performance is wishy-washy). That is not the case with gaming. The market is over-saturated and that is precisely why having a good reputation with customers is becoming more important.
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Recremen✭✭✭✭✭
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Okay let me take this slowly then.
If something doesn't sell well, you pull it from the market. That is good business practice.
As of now with people buying them by the truckload, complaining about it rings hollow because it still sends the message you're willing to pay for it no matter how much you don't like it.
Incorrect, lots of us have made it clear that we'd be willing to pay for the items in the gambling boxes only if they were put up for direct purchase with crowns like how it works in the normal store. Our message is loud and clear.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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ArrerBoy✭✭✭
Clear? Maybe. Loud? No. They can't hear over over the sound of cash register dings from all those crates being bought. A movement is only as good as its unity. You're gonna have to get everyone, or at least most players buying scores of crates to just stop.Our message is loud and clear.
Edited by ArrerBoy on December 1, 2016 7:26PM3 -
Shad0wfire99✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »
I tried to make that a thing back when the Clown Store first opened.
You were ahead of your time.
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MadLarkin✭✭✭✭
What are you saying? Are you referring to Electronic Arts? They still have a crap reputation (a deserved one) along with Activision and a few others. But, there are a few companies in this business to both make money and treat their customers with respect *gasp* like CD Projekt Red, and that is one of the contributing factors to the Witcher's overwhelming success.
Edit: Sentence structure.Edited by MadLarkin on December 1, 2016 7:29PM7 -
omfgitsbatman✭✭✭✭Clear? Maybe. Loud? No. They can't hear over over the sound of cash register dings from all those crates being bought.
Just what is your point exactly? People should be louder? We are using the tools that are allocated for complaining (the forums). That we shouldn't complain? I still did not hear how this is a good deal. From anyone.He's the healer Tamriel deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hurt his tank. Because he can heal them to full. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful rejuvinator. A Cloaked Healer.
@Omfgitsbatman PC/NA
Ticktick-Argonian Nightblade Healer/Magicka DPS
Tinytick- Imperial DK Tank
Wuches Y'Shaur- V16 High Elf Sorc Magicka DPS
Ticktator- Dunmer DK Magicka DPS
Tick Head- Dark Elf Magicka NB DPS
GM:
Mercs Of Sovngarde (EP/NA): AA (HM), HRC (HM), VSO (HM), VDSA, VMSA complete
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anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There are people who buy crown crates without knowing that it is a scam ? Or, to say the least, a big risk of not getting items for the value spent ? I mean, really ?5 -
omfgitsbatman✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »There are people who buy crown crates without knowing that it is a scam ? Or, to say the least, a big risk of not getting items for the value spent ? I mean, really ?
Probably? Since no one knows the drop rates and the last RNG-based thing they introduced (flower bags) had rather generous RNG, people might assume (WRONGLY) that crown crates will be generous as well..He's the healer Tamriel deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hurt his tank. Because he can heal them to full. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful rejuvinator. A Cloaked Healer.
@Omfgitsbatman PC/NA
Ticktick-Argonian Nightblade Healer/Magicka DPS
Tinytick- Imperial DK Tank
Wuches Y'Shaur- V16 High Elf Sorc Magicka DPS
Ticktator- Dunmer DK Magicka DPS
Tick Head- Dark Elf Magicka NB DPS
GM:
Mercs Of Sovngarde (EP/NA): AA (HM), HRC (HM), VSO (HM), VDSA, VMSA complete
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Recremen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »I posted this in another thread but it's relevant here.
"How many of you have played FIFA Ultimate team, spent $100 on cards and never sniffed a Messi or Ronaldo? It's the same thing. ZOS ain't the first to do it, and certainly will not be the last. What they have done is totally within their industry standards. It is up to you to know when to say when. I always give myself a $20 Ultimate team budget and stick to it. You're gonna have to do the same."
No one has any idea what their chances of scoring a Ronaldo card but many spends hundreds and thousands ... and some probably hundreds of thousands ... to get one. If they don't they just scrap what they have for EA coins and eventually drop hundreds of thousands of those to get one. Sound familiar?
You should all consider yourself lucky that we're only talking about mounts, hats and costumes.
We should not consider ourselves lucky by any stretch of the imagination. Lucky would be them scrapping this sham and going back to only direct purchases of cosmetic items. It's false to imply that the only thing we can do is count our lucky stars that they've only done one bad thing. If this is "standard" for the industry then it is the laws governing the industry that need to change, not the consumers. For example, we have minimum age gambling laws, but these nonrefundable fiat currencies somehow are enough for their legal team to scoot around those laws. At least for now. That doesn't mean it's good, or won't one day be found illegal, it's just how it is now, and it behooves the company to think long and hard about the kind of brand they want to have.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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ArrerBoy✭✭✭
What are you saying? Are you referring to Electronic Arts?
Yes and they still make more money than the more respectable companies. Why? Because they know good business practices. Not pleasing the customer base. Pleasing investors. Keeping your shareholders happy still matters more, much as I hate to say it.Edited by ArrerBoy on December 1, 2016 7:33PM3 -
omfgitsbatman✭✭✭✭On the whole, expecting to get the specific item you want without getting them with crown gems is unrealistic... Hence, THE LARGE BULK OF THE PLAYER POPULATION that participates in this will need to play triple the price of what they used to for cool mounts... How is this a good deal?He's the healer Tamriel deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hurt his tank. Because he can heal them to full. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful rejuvinator. A Cloaked Healer.
@Omfgitsbatman PC/NA
Ticktick-Argonian Nightblade Healer/Magicka DPS
Tinytick- Imperial DK Tank
Wuches Y'Shaur- V16 High Elf Sorc Magicka DPS
Ticktator- Dunmer DK Magicka DPS
Tick Head- Dark Elf Magicka NB DPS
GM:
Mercs Of Sovngarde (EP/NA): AA (HM), HRC (HM), VSO (HM), VDSA, VMSA complete
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anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭omfgitsbatman wrote: »
Probably? Since no one knows the drop rates and the last RNG-based thing they introduced (flower bags) had rather generous RNG, people might assume (WRONGLY) that crown crates will be generous as well..
Except the alchemy satchels are bought in TelVar Stones (a currency which urgently needed a sink) and crown crates are purchased in real money (that does NOT need any sink !) . If people can't see the difference... I'm puzzled.
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✭✭omfgitsbatman wrote: »
Probably? Since no one knows the drop rates and the last RNG-based thing they introduced (flower bags) had rather generous RNG, people might assume (WRONGLY) that crown crates will be generous as well..
probably?
it could just be that people do understand it and don't really care that much about the drop rates because it is just a bit of fun.2 -
omfgitsbatman✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
Except the alchemy satchels are bought in TelVar Stones (a currency which urgently needed a sink) and crown crates are purchased in real money (that does NOT need any sink !) . If people can't see the difference... I'm puzzled.
They see the difference, but may assume that the RNG will be equally generous. Just because the means of purchase is different, that shouldn't mean that the RNG will be worse.. Yet it is...He's the healer Tamriel deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So we'll hurt his tank. Because he can heal them to full. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian, a watchful rejuvinator. A Cloaked Healer.
@Omfgitsbatman PC/NA
Ticktick-Argonian Nightblade Healer/Magicka DPS
Tinytick- Imperial DK Tank
Wuches Y'Shaur- V16 High Elf Sorc Magicka DPS
Ticktator- Dunmer DK Magicka DPS
Tick Head- Dark Elf Magicka NB DPS
GM:
Mercs Of Sovngarde (EP/NA): AA (HM), HRC (HM), VSO (HM), VDSA, VMSA complete
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ArrerBoy✭✭✭
It isn't. It's profitable. That's the whole reason these things keep popping up in games.omfgitsbatman wrote: »How is this a good deal?
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