Did you open crown crates?

svartorn

Can't even get into the game to open crates. Keeps giving me an error that login can't be completed.

This game *** sucks.

nimander99

Yes, 26 - 49

Okay, so I spent $100 on Crowns and bought 30 Atronach boxes. Keep in mind I have purchased every single cosmetic ever to come up on the Crown Store since day one, so I thought going into this I would earn Crown Gems a bit faster than the non collector... That was not the case at all since most everything is new and solely exclusive to the Atronach Crate.

I got 3 hats, 2 pets, 1 momento, 1 Grand exp scroll (which I converted to 33 Gems) the rest of the 30 boxes I opened was poisons, potions, a couple regular exp scrolls and riding lessons which I converted all to gems as well.

I wound up with 294 Crown Gems for $100. So at that rate I would have to at least spend another $50 to get 1 Atronach mount for 400 Gems (which I wont be doing).

None of Pacrooti's animations worked, so all I got was a box that I would click then I'd have to exit out to see what I got, then re-enter the pacrooti screen to open another box... That task became onerous after 10 crates.

So, after spending $100 on 30 Crates I couldn't even buy 1 of the Atronach mounts, couldn't even enjoy the Pacrooti animations of the box opening and seeing my cards, I have 2 pets and 3 hats.

Now, what I will be doing is no longer supporting this game. I am cancelling my sub effective today, I will never buy another cosmetic from the Crown Store (which is going to be painful because I really enjoyed collecting ) The only financial investment Zenimax will get from me, from here on out, is I will just outright buy DLC (actual game content) when it drops, the end.

P.S. If I came out after $100 with one of the Atronach mounts I might have felt slightly more positive about this underwhelming experience but still, I would have to spend roughly $1000 (probably a bit more) to get every Atronach mount, and maybe id get all the lesser cosmetics by spending a thousand if the Pacrooti RNG was kind.

I spoke out against this system being implemented from day one, I knew it would be really bad and I was right... But, as a loyal customer since launch I figured Id at least give this a try (knowing already from previous MMO's that the gamble would be real). This RNG gambling system makes ESO now as aggressive a cash grab (for people who like collecting anyways) as Black Desert Online.

I look at this feature like that friend you loaned a hundred bucks to and he never paid you back but you never saw him again, and just think to myself, well, it only cost me $100 to get that bad egg out of my life.

I'm not quitting the game by any means, Ill still play, and I'm not even bitter about the $100. I knew what the outcome would be but I set aside that money just to see for myself how predatory this system would be. Now I just wont support this community ruining move by spending a cent on anything but actual game expanding content.

GJ ZoS

Cymek

Yes, 15

First post...

Been playing the game off and on for a few months and had some crowns saved up. Decided to buy a 15 pack and did an impromptu video of what I got.

It's not great quality....just off the cuff.

https://youtu.be/uSs2fqIR0pg

Minalan

I sub so I had the crowns, and I decided to play their gambling game, so I bought 15 crates and decided that would be it.

I got the red wolf mount I wanted on the second pack. No idea if it's epic, but it's the best one in this release. So. Satisfied? I guess. Or something. It's just another cheap skin of the other wolf.

I also got all of the dress costumes, which all of the role players are all going frothing insane over, but I don't cross-dress or play any female toons. I didn't get the air juggle thing, which would have been cool.

This is why the rewards need to be *tradable*. I'm sure I could offload these two or three stupid dresses in exchange for a neat juggle trick emote or storm aura.

I ended up with 90 something gems, I probably won't be spending them on anything, there's simply nothing that I want that badly.

Rohamad_Ali

No & will never!

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I've skimmed through a few studies over the last few days done over the last 10 years regarding MMOS and online gaming addiction . The games have a very high addiction potential already without the micro transaction stores added . Some of the stories were very sad . People have been addicted for a long time it seems and some even living very depressed and withdrawn from the normal social activities outside of gaming . Some living in substandard conditions to afford their gaming habits and going in debt . With addiction comes a lot of lying to oneself . I truly hope everyone participating is doing so in a healthy way and not neglecting themselves . Some people lost jobs and some lost partners and more . Be careful .

Whilst we're being serious, my concern about this is mainly towards young players and how they'll develop.

MMOs (especially ESO) share the same principles with gambling: running X content 20 times just for the chance at Y drop is the same as spending X cash 20 times just got the chance at Y return.

So whilst the mediums are different, both trigger the same pleasure sensors and the same chemicals are released that make you feel good.

There have been studies that show that the younger someone is exposed to various pleasure centres, the faster the urge grows to get that same "high" but also the more difficult the urge is to break.

So in essence, younger people that play MMOs are more likely to develop gambling mentalities than their peers who don't. Whilst this isn't a massive problem in-game because all they're doing is spending a finite time grinding rather than something that they enjoy, the introduction of crown crates does allow them to gambling real money before they'd otherwise be able to.



edited to add a gif now that I know how to do them

Actually in the ones I've been reading up on it is males mostly between the ages of 35-45 with the biggest problems in MMOs and over spending and poor work performance . Mid life crisis ? I don't know but the stories of lying to there wives and having extra marital affairs was pretty funny to read . Funny when they got caught . I think there was a Big Bang theory episode on that . Anyways just interesting reading . Apparently not everyone online is as rich as they claim and single lol .

nimander99

Yes, 26 - 49

ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »

While we understand how upsetting Crown Crates can be for some, we would like to ask that this thread be kept civil and constructive. Let us refrain from personally attacking each other. Thank you for your understanding.

Wow... You are actually acknowledging that you have implemented a feature intentionally that you knowingly upsets the player base.

"While we understand how upsetting Crown Crates can be for some..." Astonishing.

[Deleted User]

No & will never!

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Rohamad_Ali

No & will never!

GrumpyMuffin wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I've skimmed through a few studies over the last few days done over the last 10 years regarding MMOS and online gaming addiction . The games have a very high addiction potential already without the micro transaction stores added . Some of the stories were very sad . People have been addicted for a long time it seems and some even living very depressed and withdrawn from the normal social activities outside of gaming . Some living in substandard conditions to afford their gaming habits and going in debt . With addiction comes a lot of lying to oneself . I truly hope everyone participating is doing so in a healthy way and not neglecting themselves . Some people lost jobs and some lost partners and more . Be careful .

Whilst we're being serious, my concern about this is mainly towards young players and how they'll develop.

MMOs (especially ESO) share the same principles with gambling: running X content 20 times just for the chance at Y drop is the same as spending X cash 20 times just got the chance at Y return.

So whilst the mediums are different, both trigger the same pleasure sensors and the same chemicals are released that make you feel good.

There have been studies that show that the younger someone is exposed to various pleasure centres, the faster the urge grows to get that same "high" but also the more difficult the urge is to break.

So in essence, younger people that play MMOs are more likely to develop gambling mentalities than their peers who don't. Whilst this isn't a massive problem in-game because all they're doing is spending a finite time grinding rather than something that they enjoy, the introduction of crown crates does allow them to gambling real money before they'd otherwise be able to.



edited to add a gif now that I know how to do them

Actually in the ones I've been reading up on it is males mostly between the ages of 35-45 with the biggest problems in MMOs and over spending and poor work performance . Mid life crisis ? I don't know but the stories of lying to there wives and having extra marital affairs was pretty funny to read . Funny when they got caught . I think there was a Big Bang theory episode on that . Anyways just interesting reading . Apparently not everyone online is as rich as they claim and single lol .

Forgot the crate rates, according this to post I'm midlife at aged 37. Now the crates have depressed me!

Disclaimer: I'm not a qualified physician or psychiatrist .

You may resume being happy in life .

zergbase_ESO

nimander99 wrote: »

ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »

While we understand how upsetting Crown Crates can be for some, we would like to ask that this thread be kept civil and constructive. Let us refrain from personally attacking each other. Thank you for your understanding.

Wow... You are actually acknowledging that you have implemented a feature intentionally that you knowingly upsets the player base.

"While we understand how upsetting Crown Crates can be for some..." Astonishing.

Money tends override your feelings. I feel Salty for fact some things I was looking forward too are gem items so yeah. I will not purchase those crates.. Simply because I know my RNG is bad. Very bad... RNG jebus doesn't love meh.

Ivehn

Yes, 16 - 25

Adding these items on the crown store for a fixed price would be the ethically sound move on ZOS’s behalf, but it would also mean a lot less revenue for them. The number of apex rewards, coupled with the inherent chance nature of getting a desired drop and the addictive aspect of gambling will definitely make them more money than having these items as a normal crown store addition. I’m sure that players who don’t really gamble in their real lives but had crowns sitting in their accounts have gotten a crate just to try their luck for fun or out of curiosity, after all, it’s a new feature, and ZOS will get a lot of returns just from people trying it out. I would feel better if they were transparent with what the chances are to get an apex reward per crate; saying a reward is rare and saying the probability is 1/75 are two entirely different things as far as the psychology of the consumer is concerned. I was lucky with my crates in that I managed to get the mount that I wanted (and additionally three more mounts) in the number of crates I had, but I realize that just as easily I could have gotten nothing even with double or triple the amount of crates.

snakester320

No & will never!

This idea is going to bite them in the arse anyway .. if it's to raise revenue for content it's not going to be very good content..after reading what I have there are a lot of ppl myself included who won't waste a cent on this bullsh.t then there's the ones who have brought crates got what they want and ain't going to buy more till next season ( of Which I'm sure a majority will be f.cked over for sure) then there's the ppl that spent hundreds and got crap and won't touch them again.. how does this actually translate into steady revenue for ZOS its like a few days cash grab to pay the dumb *** who come up with this idea ..

Kuningatar

Gonna quit the game now!!1!11!

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

verenkutoja wrote: »

Nope. Quit the game over this a while back before they were even officially implemented. Zenimax time and time again have ignored their players wishes and frustration, instead pushing forward obstinately and basically giving their paying customers and players the middle finger, so I went ahead and shoved my foot up their brown eye on my way out the door.

Took my money to other MMOs where the story is a bit different and the companies actually at least for the moment seem to remotely respect their player base.

I get where you are coming from, and respect your decision, but as I stated a few times in similar controversial threads regarding this.

You are under no obligation to buy the Crown Boxes, if you want do buy them and gamble them, then its your money, and money spent will benefit us all in the game, not you persi.

The Crown Boxes target gambling addictive personalities, who are going to be weak regardless, as its a character defect, normal people will maybe buy a few, hopefully get something they want and have the strength of character not to spend their budget on a random drop they want.

Then there are people like myself, wherein this initiative does not affect, as we will choose to buy stuff or not from the Crown Store for example for specific thingies, and leave it there

ZoS is just making money, this is not a f2p game, there are overheads, and many sub, but many dont, so this is a good idea for some cash flow, its purely optional, with nothing p2w on the chanced rewards, so they are covering their bases quite well imo.

Crown Boxes are only a problem for the weak, who will be weak anyways, regardless of medium.

It is not ZoS fault.

A few have said, to ignore it, just like there may be some content in the game you may ignore, you know its there, but it has no bearing on your own playstyle.

With every decision any company does, there will always be those who agree and those who do not.

Just saying.

What you seem to be missing is what the crown store gamble boxes represent.

I will not say it is "immoral" to target the weak-willed, it is what it is. If they are weak-willed enough to fall for it, that is on them and no one else. But what I will say is that the gamble boxes represent the same thing they have always represented in every other mmo ever that they appeared in. That is that the focus will shift from actual content to being primarily garbage for these boxes as it always does, it have been something that mmos in the market today have largely done and it always leads to the same place; less content for paying customers.

THAT is in large the reason I quit. The secondary reason? Just look at the forums, there were a thread a while ago asking if people wanted them to implement the boxes. I think over 50% that answered said no, absolutely not. I recall only about 2% said "yes", you know what that tells me? That tells me that Zenimax who can not possibly be ignoring such a monumentally negative backlash against something they are doing just kind of, you know? Crapped in the faces of their paying customers and said "eat it, you filthy mule" and well. Maybe you might take that, but I sure will not. And I sure will not be a part of that and continue paying a company that disrespects the wishes of such a large part of their community.

There were any number of things they could have done to turn this situation around. Specifically apologizing to the community and doing away with the lockboxes would have done that, they could have made money elsewhere and let us face it, they would have made a significant profit off the game even without the gamble boxes. These boxes would not break them if they said "Okay, we see the community clearly hates these things, so we will focus our attention elsewhere and scrap this idea." you know what I think would happen?

People would be freaking ecstatic. People would love them for doing what no other company have done. Instead they just chose the same out route and well, quite frankly I am sick to death of the same old route in the mmo market.

It is not a sustainable model. It will lead to significant quality drops in both content and bug fixes, coding, you name it, it will probably suffer as a result of their growing obsession with gamble boxes and make no mistake, the whales will drop cash on the gamble boxes and that will become their obsession. It will undo this game.

I am sorry but I disagree with you.

It is Zenimax' fault. It is literally all their fault. If they actually gave two craps about what the customers thought they would have formulated the minuscule amount of thought it takes to figure out "Hey, everyone hates these things. Maybe doing this is a bad idea. Maybe we could use this to our advantage and make them love us by not going down this road", instead it is "NOPE. HURR HURR. GAMBLE BOXES R GUD. THERE WILL STILL BE ALL THE WHITE KNIGHTS IN THE WORLD TO DEFEND US UNTIL THE DAY THE GAME DIES."

I am not attacking you, but I will agree, you have the right to a differing opinion, but I do believe you will end up as jaded as I did and as sick of Zenimax as I. One day you will have enough of their crap and you will think back on this conversation and go "Wow. She was right. They suck."

JimT722

Gonna quit the game now!!1!11!

^Been here many times. 100% agree. I hoped ZOS would do exactly what you wrote. It was around 67% or 2/3 of the community who voted against them. That says a lot to me about Zenimax Online Studios and their values as a company. I would be ashamed with that kind of negative feedback.

Elsonso

No & will never!

JimT722 wrote: »

^Been here many times. 100% agree. I hoped ZOS would do exactly what you wrote. It was around 67% or 2/3 of the community who voted against them. That says a lot to me about Zenimax Online Studios and their values as a company. I would be ashamed with that kind of negative feedback.

I am not sure what to think, honestly.

1. They don't care. Revenue is revenue, and they can always make a new game.
2. They are desperate. They will sell the fixtures out of the bathroom if it will help.
3. They honestly believe that what they are doing is harmless and Crown Crates are just idle fun for the players, with a revenue chaser for ZOS.

Depending on whether they are smoking something special in the executive washroom, #3 might be the same as #1.

I think it is #1, hoping it is #3 (and that they are not smoking anything) I know #3 is what they tell us, which is mainly why I think it is #1.

BlueViolet

No & will never!

I haven't opened one, and I never will. In fact, I've hardly been in the game for the last couple of months, due to just feeling so "off" about this whole thing.

From now forward, more than likely all I can envision happening are lots of new and wonderful items being introduced into the store - but being put into con crates, not for individual purchase. More and more time being spent on creating items for con crates, rather than for anything else. Eventually, Pay to Win items will make their way into those boxes.

ESO just seems to be sinking into the stinking depths alongside PWE and other ripoff games. I never thought it would come to this.

The game once had class. It doesn't anymore.

Osteos

Yes, 15

Cymek wrote: »

First post...

Been playing the game off and on for a few months and had some crowns saved up. Decided to buy a 15 pack and did an impromptu video of what I got.

It's not great quality....just off the cuff.

https://youtu.be/uSs2fqIR0pg

You got so many invisibility potions. How many gems did they convert into? And grats on the Red Wolf!

DrkHunter86

Gonna quit the game now!!1!11!

Ahnastashia wrote: »

Nope.. nope.. nope. Just remember... "friends don't let friends buy crown crates"

For the people who are getting good things right now... This is likely just a classic bait and switch... At the beginning, you get great stuff or the drop rate is pretty good... then later on when people think the crates aren't "so bad" they ninja nerf the drop rate and or items....

Seriously people... don't be fooled by this!!

The drop rate is terrible. I opened 5500 crowns worth of crates and got 1dog pet 1 mount I already had 3 mimic stones a couple of low level cosmetics ill never use 2 mount capacity lessons and all the rest where potions. Even the converstion is of. Instead of getting 5 gems for 25 potions I got 4. Its broken as all hell. The money I spent isnta big deal too me its the broken cheap tactics they use. Buyer beware they will screw you hard. So trust me and stay away from crates. If you don't believe me watch deltias video. He spent 100 dollars on these crates and got ripped off too.

Snippit_Thomas

Yes, 15

I dropped $50 on crowns and got 16 crates. I was happy with what I got. And was able to buy the couple of things I liked the looks of with the gems I got.

I won't buy any more crates from this series. But will probably buy some more when then next series comes out.

If the people in the game with crate loot is any thing to go by I think ZOS must be happy with the launch.

After playing SWTOR and seeing how they implemented loot crates, this is much better, with the ability to trade back for gems and full costumes rather than clothing set pieces.

there will always be the people who hate them, each to their own I say.

Martan

Yes, 26 - 49

JimT722 wrote: »

^Been here many times. 100% agree. I hoped ZOS would do exactly what you wrote. It was around 67% or 2/3 of the community who voted against them. That says a lot to me about Zenimax Online Studios and their values as a company. I would be ashamed with that kind of negative feedback.

Where did you get those statistics? I haven't seen a poll in-game asking the entire community.

Darkstorne

No & will never!

Mercutio wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I've skimmed through a few studies over the last few days done over the last 10 years regarding MMOS and online gaming addiction... Some people lost jobs and some lost partners and more . Be careful .

I think we've read the same studies. I can only tell one firsthand account. When Everquest first came out I was working in a computer store and we all started playing. One fellow, I'll call him Rob, was a real health nut. He had a beautiful wife and baby girl, about 9 months old.

He lost everything, so fixated on EQ did he become. It was very sad. In the old days we called guys like him "catasses" because of the smell from not keeping your house clean (there is some MMORPG trivia for you younger players ). His wife left him because he was always playing EQ. The last time I saw him was about 7 years ago or so. He was working at BestBuy and looked like he weighed 400 pounds. And it wasn't muscle.

I am not sure if I can really blame an online game for that, anymore than I can blame ESO if someone maxes out their credit cards on Crown Crates. I do find them unethical, but am torn on that aspect of it. I think people like Rob are hard-wired wrong, for whatever reason. If it wasn't EQ, Crown Crates, it would be something else. Again, very sad. Tragic even. However we all are dealt a multitude of bad cards in this life and personal responsibility cannot ever be discounted. I used to drink Jim Beam. It made me a mean drunk that liked to fight. I put it down and walked away, even though I could still go for a drink even now at 5:30 in the morning.

If the Crown Crates are ruinous for a few people, I don't think I can lay that at Zeni's feet.

Mostly, I agree with you here. But the important things to consider with the introduction of Crown Crates are: what are the benefits? What do they add to the game, that existing systems couldn't provide? How do they positively affect the playerbase?

That's when I think it all falls apart. ZOS have deliberately implemented a system that is aimed squarely at addictive personality types and collectors, that practically guarantees they will have to pay significantly more to acquire new in-game items than the existing system (Crown Store). There is no benefit to anyone except for ZOS. As a player, the option is to either forego these items altogether, or pay through the roof for them and hope we get "lucky". That makes this a disgusting introduction to the game that no-one should be defending. They're deliberately treating their players like dirt, like cows to be milked, and bizarrely there are people actively praising that approach.

JimT722

Gonna quit the game now!!1!11!

Martan wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

^Been here many times. 100% agree. I hoped ZOS would do exactly what you wrote. It was around 67% or 2/3 of the community who voted against them. That says a lot to me about Zenimax Online Studios and their values as a company. I would be ashamed with that kind of negative feedback.

Where did you get those statistics? I haven't seen a poll in-game asking the entire community.

Latest poll after pts implementation
Poll - 75% negative
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/293736/what-do-you-think-of-crown-crates-new-poll-for-pts-implementation#latest

Poll after announcement
Poll - 67% negative
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/286094/what-do-you-think-of-crown-store-random-boxes-lottery-box#latest

Interesting. It's actually much worse. Looks like pts reduced support quite a bit.

Snippit_Thomas

Yes, 15

I just watched a couple of the unboxing clips. If you don't use pets or costumes and only have your heart set on one thing, you are always going to be disappointed with these type of crates. But that said a quick look on the crown store showed the type of items on the boxes, so if you were disappointed with a pet or costume, you should have seen what you were getting into.

I use pets and costumes, I level Alts, so I was happy with the Xp scroll, riding lessons and kit I picked up. I usually only use my tigger mount so did not really want a mount but was happy to get one anyway.

I really don't see why it is such a hot topic, if you don't like the crates, don't buy them.

Martan

Yes, 26 - 49

JimT722 wrote: »

Martan wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

^Been here many times. 100% agree. I hoped ZOS would do exactly what you wrote. It was around 67% or 2/3 of the community who voted against them. That says a lot to me about Zenimax Online Studios and their values as a company. I would be ashamed with that kind of negative feedback.

Where did you get those statistics? I haven't seen a poll in-game asking the entire community.

Latest poll after pts implementation
Poll - 75% negative
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/293736/what-do-you-think-of-crown-crates-new-poll-for-pts-implementation#latest

Poll after announcement
Poll - 67% negative
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/286094/what-do-you-think-of-crown-store-random-boxes-lottery-box#latest

Interesting. It's actually much worse. Looks like pts reduced support quite a bit.

What is interesting to me is that you rely on a poll from these forums the majority hasn't even voted in. For all we know only 20% of the entire community could be against.
The few that actually use these forums and participate in discussions and polls are not representative of this community as a whole.

JimT722

Gonna quit the game now!!1!11!

Martan wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

Martan wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

^Been here many times. 100% agree. I hoped ZOS would do exactly what you wrote. It was around 67% or 2/3 of the community who voted against them. That says a lot to me about Zenimax Online Studios and their values as a company. I would be ashamed with that kind of negative feedback.

Where did you get those statistics? I haven't seen a poll in-game asking the entire community.

Latest poll after pts implementation
Poll - 75% negative
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/293736/what-do-you-think-of-crown-crates-new-poll-for-pts-implementation#latest

Poll after announcement
Poll - 67% negative
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/286094/what-do-you-think-of-crown-store-random-boxes-lottery-box#latest

Interesting. It's actually much worse. Looks like pts reduced support quite a bit.

What is interesting to me is that you rely on a poll from these forums the majority hasn't even voted in. For all we know only 20% of the entire community could be against.
The few that actually use these forums and participate in discussions and polls are not representative of this community as a whole.

Yes but it is the only outlet they have for feedback. ZOS directs people to leave feedback on the forums. One of those reached 117 pages. For the only source of feedback, a response of that size is impressive. The level of participation for the forums in those threads was huge.

ZOS can't measure the feedback of those that refuse to give any, regardless if it's because of participation in forum community or refusal to vote. All that can be said is they went against those that decided to give feedback and chose to ignore it.

Edit. Their only sources of feedback suggest 66-75% negative. That is a powerful statement with them choosing to ignore it. From threads with a larger than average level of participation.

Does it represent the entire community? Of course not. Until they find a way to force people to give feedback, they have no other sources.

ItsGlaive

Yes, 26 - 49

"A fool and his money are soon parted"

Full disclosure. As I knew I would, spent 20k crowns on them. I've very low impulse control!

Results were mixed, one mount I'll never use (the clouded senche), a couple of costumes I'll never use and a couple of pets I may use for a few minutes over the next year or so. The rest was junk. Gem returns were very low.

Complete waste of money as I knew they'd be, but there's always the "just one more, this time I'll get the shiny."

Darkstorne

No & will never!

Martan wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

Martan wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

^Been here many times. 100% agree. I hoped ZOS would do exactly what you wrote. It was around 67% or 2/3 of the community who voted against them. That says a lot to me about Zenimax Online Studios and their values as a company. I would be ashamed with that kind of negative feedback.

Where did you get those statistics? I haven't seen a poll in-game asking the entire community.

Latest poll after pts implementation
Poll - 75% negative
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/293736/what-do-you-think-of-crown-crates-new-poll-for-pts-implementation#latest

Poll after announcement
Poll - 67% negative
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/286094/what-do-you-think-of-crown-store-random-boxes-lottery-box#latest

Interesting. It's actually much worse. Looks like pts reduced support quite a bit.

What is interesting to me is that you rely on a poll from these forums the majority hasn't even voted in. For all we know only 20% of the entire community could be against.
The few that actually use these forums and participate in discussions and polls are not representative of this community as a whole.

But they are representative of the most engaged and passionate ESO players. It's a sample size of the most dedicated playerbase, so you'd think they'd pay attention.

I still think it's easily summarised by pointing out that Crates add NOTHING to the game, and provide zero benefits to any players. There's already a system in place for selling mounts, pets, outfits, consumables etc, at a fair price that guarantees players get exactly what they want, at a fixed price. How does choosing to sell them through Crates benefit the player base? It doesn't. If you want a Storm Mount you now have to pay a ridiculous amount of cash, literally hundreds of pounds, before you'll have enough Crown Gems to buy the mount you want. There is a VERY SLIM chance that you'll "win" the mount you want by opening the crates, and even if you do obtain that way it'll still be highly likely to have cost you more Crowns than simply buying it directly from the already established Crown Store would have done.

This is undeniably a middle finger to the community, and it baffles me that some people can't see it.

Sunburnt_Penguin

No & will never!

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

I've skimmed through a few studies over the last few days done over the last 10 years regarding MMOS and online gaming addiction . The games have a very high addiction potential already without the micro transaction stores added . Some of the stories were very sad . People have been addicted for a long time it seems and some even living very depressed and withdrawn from the normal social activities outside of gaming . Some living in substandard conditions to afford their gaming habits and going in debt . With addiction comes a lot of lying to oneself . I truly hope everyone participating is doing so in a healthy way and not neglecting themselves . Some people lost jobs and some lost partners and more . Be careful .

Whilst we're being serious, my concern about this is mainly towards young players and how they'll develop.

MMOs (especially ESO) share the same principles with gambling: running X content 20 times just for the chance at Y drop is the same as spending X cash 20 times just got the chance at Y return.

So whilst the mediums are different, both trigger the same pleasure sensors and the same chemicals are released that make you feel good.

There have been studies that show that the younger someone is exposed to various pleasure centres, the faster the urge grows to get that same "high" but also the more difficult the urge is to break.

So in essence, younger people that play MMOs are more likely to develop gambling mentalities than their peers who don't. Whilst this isn't a massive problem in-game because all they're doing is spending a finite time grinding rather than something that they enjoy, the introduction of crown crates does allow them to gambling real money before they'd otherwise be able to.



edited to add a gif now that I know how to do them

Actually in the ones I've been reading up on it is males mostly between the ages of 35-45 with the biggest problems in MMOs and over spending and poor work performance . Mid life crisis ? I don't know but the stories of lying to there wives and having extra marital affairs was pretty funny to read . Funny when they got caught . I think there was a Big Bang theory episode on that . Anyways just interesting reading . Apparently not everyone online is as rich as they claim and single lol .

Oh yeah, @Rohamad_Ali, I think that the older demographics will be biggest spenders. My point was just around how it could affect younger in later life from being able to gamble both earlier than they would usually be and via alternative means.

Vaoh

No & will never!

MissBizz wrote: »

No. And I'm really struggling not to because I am very aware I am an impulse shopper who would say "oh but if I buy a few more maybe I can get <insert name of thing I want>

Don't do it! Don't you do it MissBizz!!!

Birdovic

No & will never!

I made my experience with something like this in a game before ESO, which was..not a good one.

That said, the gambling system over time had evolved further, offering important and strong equipment, letting money decide who was "good" or "bad".

That game died over time and the servers were shut down, and it all started with cosmetics, too.

Obviously my answer is "No & will never!" because I don't want another great game to suffer the same fate.

We are headed the wrong direction now, that is for sure.

mb10

Lol why couldnt you just put a simple yes or no option?
Really dislike this forun's 8+ options on polls that just need 2 - yes or no