Mythic Aetherial Ambrosia?

summitxho

how about we keep this thread on topic rather than another whine thread on crown crates and get it closed? I for one am glad I have duplicates of most of the fragments in the one month I have been going for them, anyone know when they will release for PS4?

nimander99

This is absolute garbage if I have to regrind the recipe fragments again. If you have the recipe you should just be able to buy the Aetherial thing and upgrade your recipe. This is to make up for the coming Gambling Boxes... GRRRRRR this irritates me to no end.

Aliyavana

why does it seem like this is made to be as difficult as possible to funnel ppl into buying xp scrolls

Elsonso

arcadiadark wrote: »

why does it seem like this is made to be as difficult as possible to funnel ppl into buying xp scrolls

Hmm. I wonder.... I guess that it is designed specifically to funnel people into buying Crown Crates so they can have a chance at getting the Crown version.

If it is this hard to get it in the game, I have to wonder what the Crown Crate drop rate is going to be.

Circuitous

ZOS, I hope you guys realize that doing things like this while not addressing the Crown Crate-shaped elephant in the room makes you look really bad.

elvenmad

arcadiadark wrote: »

why does it seem like this is made to be as difficult as possible to funnel ppl into buying xp scrolls

Its been designed like this so they can stand by their statement that consumables from the Crates will never be better than ones that 'could' be crafted in game.

Tbh I dont even see why Crates even have XP scrolls in them anyway, the 'original' reasoning behind Crown Crates was stated they designed them specifically to give players a chance to obtain rare and previously available mounts and cosmetics. so yeah that soon went out the window.

JimT722

elvenmad wrote: »

arcadiadark wrote: »

why does it seem like this is made to be as difficult as possible to funnel ppl into buying xp scrolls

Its been designed like this so they can stand by their statement that consumables form the Crates will never be better than ones that 'could' be crafted in game.

Tbh I dont even see why Crates even have XP scrolls in them anyway, the 'original' reasoning behind Crown Crates was stated they designed them specifically to give players a chance to obtain rare and previously available mounts and cosmetics. so yeah that soon went out the window.

Actually they were marketed as crates of consumables with a chance at cosmetics. They know people don't want the consumables. Their reasoning behind this move is if they buff the consumables, they can pretend to be listening.

The_Protagonist

Regarding the prices of fragments. In the few months that I have been playing, I have observed that whenever a new item comes, prices in guild are way over the realm of sanity, and amazingly enough people are stupid enough to buy these items at the obscene prices.

I usually follow this method, try to farm (casually) the said items myself and keep a watch on the item prices, any duplicates I find are sold in the *** market. But as always, time passes by and the *** move ahead, demand drops and prices are dirt cheap, that's when I buy whatever i am missing. There is nothing to gain by being the first to get something in my opinion, except a lot of peace and gold.

Game developers literally fall off their chairs laughing at us when we go all out crazy for these imaginary digital items, so I am just going to play the way I usually do without changing my routine.

And yes, the introduction of this new item is a preparation of the con gamble crates, ZOS is following their road map the introduction of this corrupted crates.

elvenmad

JimT722 wrote: »

elvenmad wrote: »

arcadiadark wrote: »

why does it seem like this is made to be as difficult as possible to funnel ppl into buying xp scrolls

Its been designed like this so they can stand by their statement that consumables form the Crates will never be better than ones that 'could' be crafted in game.

Tbh I dont even see why Crates even have XP scrolls in them anyway, the 'original' reasoning behind Crown Crates was stated they designed them specifically to give players a chance to obtain rare and previously available mounts and cosmetics. so yeah that soon went out the window.

Actually they were marketed as crates of consumables with a chance at cosmetics. They know people don't want the consumables. Their reasoning behind this move is if they buff the consumables, they can pretend to be listening.

I was quoting from the original first announcement that was leaked via video, where it clearly is stated they were designed to give players a chance of rare and previously available mounts, pets and cosmetics, it did say the chance was random and items would be rotated periodically and you also were guaranteed 'a' (singular) consumable.

Obviously its clear now there is a lot more to their plans than what was previously been said.

"Crown Store: There will be "purely cosmetic" Loot Crates for about 400 crowns each. The chance to get items from the crates is based on how expensive/rare the items were/are. So lower chance for rare items and a chance you'll only get crap"

JimT722

elvenmad wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

elvenmad wrote: »

arcadiadark wrote: »

why does it seem like this is made to be as difficult as possible to funnel ppl into buying xp scrolls

Its been designed like this so they can stand by their statement that consumables form the Crates will never be better than ones that 'could' be crafted in game.

Tbh I dont even see why Crates even have XP scrolls in them anyway, the 'original' reasoning behind Crown Crates was stated they designed them specifically to give players a chance to obtain rare and previously available mounts and cosmetics. so yeah that soon went out the window.

Actually they were marketed as crates of consumables with a chance at cosmetics. They know people don't want the consumables. Their reasoning behind this move is if they buff the consumables, they can pretend to be listening.

I was quoting from the original first announcement that was leaked via video, where it clearly is stated they were designed to give players a chance of rare and previously available mounts, pets and cosmetics, it did say the chance was random and items would be rotated periodically and you also were guaranteed 'a' (singular) consumable.

Obviously its clear now there is a lot more to their plans than what as previously been said.

Oh. Don't think I had ever seen that video. Just the interview with Matt Firor. They could have made an effort to appease the hatred with this move by making them something that both sides could live with. They haven't expressed much desire to do that, which is sad.

For example, some games you can earn rng crates at a fairly steady rate just by playing. The rewards then can be sold for the rewards you want. Buying boxes was just a way to get more chances. They have created the worst form of rng crates I think I have ever seen. Loaded with exclusives, no options other then gambling. The way ZOS has handled these is shameful. I expected if ZOS were to do something like this, they would actually make them fair and as least predatory as possible.

MIZRETH

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Wait so I have to pay another 200k for a recipe again???? Surely the recipe is already in my inventory / Shalidors edetic memory or whatever.

Right so as soon as we log on we all go and gobble up all fragment parts for sale and triple the prices. ..good one zos. What a *** idea. Sorry but it's the most lame idea you've come up with. You really disabled the game for this shite? Guess you'll be adding in the 13th toon slot to crown stores asap too.

Not 200k for the recipe, now it's 200k+ for each FRAG!!! It's ridiculous!

agegarton

The whole thing is very disappointing. I don't mind if something is hard, because sometimes that helps make the game. But this isn't hard, it's stupid. Finding a Psijic Ambrosia recipe is a horrendous job - always was too difficult and it still is. Then you have to find some secret blob of nothing that is incredibly rare. Then you have to find perfect roe, which is too rare anyway. Then you have to make the original ambrosia. Then you have to farm some another blob of nothing, also incredibly rare, to create the secret sauce.

So many difficult to find components for a return that isn't especially worthwhile...... You have to conclude that either this was a last minute, I'll conceived idea that somehow made its way to live status, or it is a purposefully horrendous concept to frustrate the community. I can't work out which is worse.

It cements my theory that the crafting disciplines are being left behind if not downright ignored by Zenimax. There's no pre-existing benefit for master crafters here. The only benefit is for the very few traders who are already in-game wealthy beyond measure...... utterly pointless.

Zenzuki

Hamiltonmath wrote: »

Ilsabet wrote: »

Here's an interesting bit of math.

If your provisioner can make 4 drinks for the price of 1, then you start by making 4 psijic ambrosias.

Then you turn those 4 psijic ambrosias into mythic aetherial ambrosias, again getting 4 for the price of 1.

Now you have 16 mythic aetherial ambrosias, for the cost of 1 perfect roe and 4 aetherial dust doodads.

Do we know for sure that one psijic becomes 4 mythical?

From the Patch Notes: ". . .and just like Psijic Ambrosia, its consumption and crafting is affected by your Connoisseur and Brewer passives. . . "

Bolding is my emphasis.

JKorr

arcadiadark wrote: »

why does it seem like this is made to be as difficult as possible to funnel ppl into buying xp scrolls

Probably because it is. They hired a person who's job is to monetize things as much as possible. The crates aren't going away. The drop rates won't change. This recipe is the "out" from the THE DEVS LIED AGAIN accusations that nothing in the crown store would be better than what players could make. On the pts people tracked the items people got from the crates. HUNDREDS, literally, of the store poisons, potions, and food that no one was buying before an "apex" reward was found. And some people never got an apex reward after 80+ crates. I linked a post from the pts crown crate thread somewhere in one of these threads; the experience potion/scroll isn't the only thing that got buffed, apparently. If they bother, there might be new recipes or ingredients for other potions.

I never bothered to get the ambrosia recipe when it first came out. I wasn't doing writs then. Then I found out how long it would take me to get the perfect roe, and really put getting the recipe on the bottom of the list. I finally got to the point where it was one of the very few recipes I still needed to have them all on my provisioner, so I started looking for the pieces. Found 1, 2, 4,5,6, and 7. Of course Sheogorath insured I started this immediately before the update. So now I not only need to do writs until I get part 3, I need to get a second copy of the whole thing. I like this game, I want to keep playing, but if they keep heading down the rngesus box route, I don't much see the point. All the new content will be stuff for the crates and not the game.

Sinolai

dbrand001 wrote: »

The only reason why i am interested is because they are planning on raising the level cap.

What? When did they say that? I need to confirm.

Number_51

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

Number_51 wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

The recipe fragments on XBNA are now around 200k each. Nice job, ZOS. I thought it would be impossible for you guys to figure out how to bone the economy even more than you already have. You guys keep exceeding my expectations.

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Pandorii wrote: »

Psijic Fragments are selling for 250k on console. Good job, ZOS.

Only thing is the pieces still drop from provisioning writs. I got another part 4 yesterday. they haven't taken the recipe out of the game.

People who don't want to do the writ grind to get the pieces and have the gold will buy them. Other people will be patient and get them from writs. I'm not going to really complain about the prices until I find they took the opportunity to get the recipe on my own out of the game.

I do provisioning writs every day on 3 characters and I have gotten 1 fragment in 4 months.

I do provisioning writs on 8 characters a day every day (only 3 at max level though, the rest are working on completing my recipe collection) and have learned the recipe on 3 2 of my own chars, gave 1 full recipe to my brother, and have 5 fragments banked that were all picked up in the last 3-4 weeks. On the 5 non-max level provisioners I think I've only picked up 1 or 2 fragments. The fragments have always dropped fairly regularly for me on max level provisioners, but I will say it goes in spurts. I'll get nothing for 3 or 4 weeks then in 1 week I'll get 4 or 5.

Edit: Only learned on 2 of my own, the 5 banked frags were going to go to the 3rd.

Sounds like you owe me some RNG!

I'll get nothing for 3 or 4 months. And then the next week I'll still get nothing!

I will gladly trade Psijic RNG for say Draugr motif RNG. Three guild dailies per day, every day since update 12 released, 2 Draugr chapters to show for. I quite literally have no luck on getting anything else besides these fragments.

Elsonso

agegarton wrote: »

The whole thing is very disappointing. I don't mind if something is hard, because sometimes that helps make the game. But this isn't hard, it's stupid. Finding a Psijic Ambrosia recipe is a horrendous job - always was too difficult and it still is.

To be clear... it is not difficult. It is time consuming. You get just one shot at it per day per crafter, and you need 7 parts and will, invariably, get duplicates before you get one of each. The daily task itself is relatively painless and quick.

agegarton wrote: »

So many difficult to find components for a return that isn't especially worthwhile...... You have to conclude that either this was a last minute, I'll conceived idea that somehow made its way to live status, or it is a purposefully horrendous concept to frustrate the community. I can't work out which is worse.

It is simply to limit the proliferation of the potions and recipes, and in the bargain, get people to buy the impending Crown Crates for all the goodies that will be shoved in them. The one lesson that they did not learn from Orsinium, because Orsinium did not have this craziness, is "don't *** your customer". That is a "lesson learned" for a future MMORPG article.


Edit: with the language censorship, it is better to just leave it to the imagination than let the censor take it. (Edit 2... what was there before was not profanity, but did get censored, which made it look odd)

SickDuck

Prices will fall fast on fragments. They were on 2-3k before this patch.

Getting to max cp is pretty fast already. Once you get there not sure why you'd need this overpriced item.

summitxho

SickDuck wrote: »

Prices will fall fast on fragments. They were on 2-3k before this patch.

Getting to max cp is pretty fast already. Once you get there not sure why you'd need this overpriced item.

I agree, things are always really pricey when it comes out, the people who need to have it NOW create a high demand inflating prices to crazy amounts, then again I am thinking many of those who want it now will do so to have this on the market asap and return their investment. I had 2 fragments listed for 30K a couple weeks ago, which was still high, but was unwilling to let them go for 3K, they sat unsold until I took them off the market. Now I am sitting on 10 of these things and thinking I will sell and buy/regrind again later once the price settles down, its just way too tempting. In Craglorn last night asking price was 175K per frag, I became potentially in game rich overnight with this mythic ambrosia announcement, I am loving it coming from someone who has always been in game poor, a bit over a months work to get 10 frags and 6 perfect row was well worth it for me as I should be able to easily make about a million gold off it. Its not even time consuming, I log in, do writs on 3 characters which takes about 15 minutes and then I am off questing again.

I really don't know how they could make it any better, there is no player skill in provisioning to increase the odds of getting a frag, only way to go about it is to make it a rare rng drop, and it should be rare, otherwise it would take away from the prestige of it, no different than maelstrom weapons, some items should be really hard to get. For those that do not want the grind but want the ambrosia, I am sure it will be available in the game store soon.

DiteHart

I'm mainly disappointed that they just extended/repeated the same thing twice, then just added a twist and called it a day. I don't mind it being a big grind, but they tried to ensure that those without Psijic Ambrosia learned can't even start getting it ready (outside of buying/saving frag duplicates). I feel like they should have "rounded out" the crafting writs by making some RNG item fragments for the Alchemy writ instead of getting the Provisioning writ items twice.
I like doing the crafting writs---I get a little happy when I see purple or gold in the containers, and I enjoy seeing the area light up when I reach a survey report area. But, unless I'm missing something big for Alchemy, it was ripe for an RNG item.

Blacksmithing/Clothing/Woodworking have the gold tempers + Glass Motif Fragments
Enchanting has Kutas.
Provisioning has the purple ingredients + Psijic Ambrosia Fragments.
Alchemy has....the survey reports. I can't even tell what the alternative* to the survey reports is, if you even get one.

*As in, opposed to the equipment crafting shipments.

Instead of re-using the literally the same item twice, they should have made some for alchemy or something.
It could have been:
- You get pieces of a Aetheric Cipher by completing alchemy writs.
- To understand and "Decrypt" the completed cipher (turning it into the MAA recipe), your character needs to already know the Psijic Ambrosia recipe.
- Aetherial Dust can stay the same way it is, or maybe be a random drop from completing Essence potions.

That way, to get Psijic Ambrosia, you'd need high Provisioning, and to get the Mythic Aetherial Ambrosia, you'd need to also have a high alchemy level.

Aliyavana

do the ciphers even exist

Glaiceana

arcadiadark wrote: »

do the ciphers even exist

Yes they do! Or these would not exist

djinn1148

Could someone please confirm a date consoles will be able to get this recipe and the dust/cypher? I have everything I need for the second Psijiic recipe, I just don't want to waste time looking for the Cypher/Dust if they don't exist in game yet.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_TristanK @ZOS_JessicaFolsom Please???

ZOS_GinaBruno

djinn1148 wrote: »

Could someone please confirm a date consoles will be able to get this recipe and the dust/cypher? I have everything I need for the second Psijiic recipe, I just don't want to waste time looking for the Cypher/Dust if they don't exist in game yet.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_TristanK @ZOS_JessicaFolsom Please???

Consoles will get this recipe and all its components in this week's incremental patch.

Aliyavana

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

djinn1148 wrote: »

Could someone please confirm a date consoles will be able to get this recipe and the dust/cypher? I have everything I need for the second Psijiic recipe, I just don't want to waste time looking for the Cypher/Dust if they don't exist in game yet.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_TristanK @ZOS_JessicaFolsom Please???

Consoles will get this recipe and all its components in this week's incremental patch.

can you confirm if the cipher drops in delves and public dungeons within a zone?

Integral1900

I still wonder if this dam stuff is a myth

lordhakai

i have a 1 million gold offer for the cipher to the first person that finds it for me.

Didaco

Ha! By the time you acquire all the fragments and ingredients needed, you'd already have 12 fully leveled characters ready in your roster.

As for traders, I think they might just invest their time in other ways to make a steady income of money. So many much more reliable ways to do it...

Stopnaggin

lordhakao wrote: »

i have a 1 million gold offer for the cipher to the first person that finds it for me.

I watch pc players carefully, right now the cipher is selling at 5 mil.

Aliyavana

no confirmation on whether it drops in delves or public dungeons but zos is sure quick to release their crown crates