Infallible Infinite Wizard (Magsorc Off-Balance Heavy Attack vMA & Trial Build) Summerset

Mureel

I don't know yet what to revert to or change for my no pet build, I'm not really a theory crafter and don't have PTS, so if anyone has any suggestions- that would be great. :-)

Masel

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

How would this build change to account for the Mechanical Acuity change. Since the Sorcerer rotation is mostly DoTs, with little direct damage, would other sets work better? For example I was thinking of using something like 5 Necropotence on the body, 5/3 Infallible Aether jewelry & front bar infused Lightning staff with Maelstrom infused lightning back bar and 2 Ilambris in medium/heavy for Undaunted passive.

We can go 5x necro, 5x Infallible and 2x Ilambris (undaunted mettle) now too, and with the buff to heavy attacks, the 5 piece IA bonus looks pretty tantalising...

IA isn't as good as on a dk because the lightning damage you have either way gets you a good minor vulnerability uptime without IA. On a sorc, critical chance and max magicka are the way to go because they buff everything now, spell damage does not affect pets and Shields, so going for spell damage is detrimental in two ways.

Asardes

Masel92 wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

How would this build change to account for the Mechanical Acuity change. Since the Sorcerer rotation is mostly DoTs, with little direct damage, would other sets work better? For example I was thinking of using something like 5 Necropotence on the body, 5/3 Infallible Aether jewelry & front bar infused Lightning staff with Maelstrom infused lightning back bar and 2 Ilambris in medium/heavy for Undaunted passive.

We can go 5x necro, 5x Infallible and 2x Ilambris (undaunted mettle) now too, and with the buff to heavy attacks, the 5 piece IA bonus looks pretty tantalising...

IA isn't as good as on a dk because the lightning damage you have either way gets you a good minor vulnerability uptime without IA. On a sorc, critical chance and max magicka are the way to go because they buff everything now, spell damage does not affect pets and Shields, so going for spell damage is detrimental in two ways.

In that case, which front bar set should I pair with Necropotence? A few options I've looked at are:
1) Mother's Sorrow - it may actually outperform MA since it's on all of the time you spend on front bar - I do have lightning staff in infused.
2) Netch's Touch - not sure how the 5p buff affects the pet but it will add quite a bit of damage to the other abilities.
3) Moondancer - I don't have a lightning staff from that set, and the 5p doesn't look that good since in group content it gives either magicka recovery - the build has already good sustain - or spell damage - it doesn't help the pet.
4) Queen's Elegange - will only buff your heavy and light attacks by 20% (I think they stack additively with other % bonuses tho those so it's less in practice), but also has 2K maximum magicka.

Masel

Asardes wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

How would this build change to account for the Mechanical Acuity change. Since the Sorcerer rotation is mostly DoTs, with little direct damage, would other sets work better? For example I was thinking of using something like 5 Necropotence on the body, 5/3 Infallible Aether jewelry & front bar infused Lightning staff with Maelstrom infused lightning back bar and 2 Ilambris in medium/heavy for Undaunted passive.

We can go 5x necro, 5x Infallible and 2x Ilambris (undaunted mettle) now too, and with the buff to heavy attacks, the 5 piece IA bonus looks pretty tantalising...

IA isn't as good as on a dk because the lightning damage you have either way gets you a good minor vulnerability uptime without IA. On a sorc, critical chance and max magicka are the way to go because they buff everything now, spell damage does not affect pets and Shields, so going for spell damage is detrimental in two ways.

In that case, which front bar set should I pair with Necropotence? A few options I've looked at are:
1) Mother's Sorrow - it may actually outperform MA since it's on all of the time you spend on front bar - I do have lightning staff in infused.
2) Netch's Touch - not sure how the 5p buff affects the pet but it will add quite a bit of damage to the other abilities.
3) Moondancer - I don't have a lightning staff from that set, and the 5p doesn't look that good since in group content it gives either magicka recovery - the build has already good sustain - or spell damage - it doesn't help the pet.
4) Queen's Elegange - will only buff your heavy and light attacks by 20% (I think they stack additively with other % bonuses tho those so it's less in practice), but also has 2K maximum magicka.

I'm currently developing this one as a full max magicka stack, I'll post an update later on on a sorc with all possibly max magicka amps (bound aegis, inner light, warhorn), the mage mundus and the destruction mastery set are equal to their spell damage equivalents..

Asardes

Masel92 wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

How would this build change to account for the Mechanical Acuity change. Since the Sorcerer rotation is mostly DoTs, with little direct damage, would other sets work better? For example I was thinking of using something like 5 Necropotence on the body, 5/3 Infallible Aether jewelry & front bar infused Lightning staff with Maelstrom infused lightning back bar and 2 Ilambris in medium/heavy for Undaunted passive.

We can go 5x necro, 5x Infallible and 2x Ilambris (undaunted mettle) now too, and with the buff to heavy attacks, the 5 piece IA bonus looks pretty tantalising...

IA isn't as good as on a dk because the lightning damage you have either way gets you a good minor vulnerability uptime without IA. On a sorc, critical chance and max magicka are the way to go because they buff everything now, spell damage does not affect pets and Shields, so going for spell damage is detrimental in two ways.

In that case, which front bar set should I pair with Necropotence? A few options I've looked at are:
1) Mother's Sorrow - it may actually outperform MA since it's on all of the time you spend on front bar - I do have lightning staff in infused.
2) Netch's Touch - not sure how the 5p buff affects the pet but it will add quite a bit of damage to the other abilities.
3) Moondancer - I don't have a lightning staff from that set, and the 5p doesn't look that good since in group content it gives either magicka recovery - the build has already good sustain - or spell damage - it doesn't help the pet.
4) Queen's Elegange - will only buff your heavy and light attacks by 20% (I think they stack additively with other % bonuses tho those so it's less in practice), but also has 2K maximum magicka.

I'm currently developing this one as a full max magicka stack, I'll post an update later on on a sorc with all possibly max magicka amps (bound aegis, inner light, warhorn), the mage mundus and the destruction mastery set are equal to their spell damage equivalents..

I was considering Destruction Mastery also, but that set needs to be on both bars, since you don't want to lose that much maximum magicka when you bar swap, and that means you have to drop Maelstrom. I was just wondering if the loss of DPS from LA & HA is worth it. The upside to that is that I can convince people that is META I can trick them into running vDSA more often. They run from that and vSO like it's the plague

Bobby_V_Rockit

Asardes wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

How would this build change to account for the Mechanical Acuity change. Since the Sorcerer rotation is mostly DoTs, with little direct damage, would other sets work better? For example I was thinking of using something like 5 Necropotence on the body, 5/3 Infallible Aether jewelry & front bar infused Lightning staff with Maelstrom infused lightning back bar and 2 Ilambris in medium/heavy for Undaunted passive.

We can go 5x necro, 5x Infallible and 2x Ilambris (undaunted mettle) now too, and with the buff to heavy attacks, the 5 piece IA bonus looks pretty tantalising...

IA isn't as good as on a dk because the lightning damage you have either way gets you a good minor vulnerability uptime without IA. On a sorc, critical chance and max magicka are the way to go because they buff everything now, spell damage does not affect pets and Shields, so going for spell damage is detrimental in two ways.

In that case, which front bar set should I pair with Necropotence? A few options I've looked at are:
1) Mother's Sorrow - it may actually outperform MA since it's on all of the time you spend on front bar - I do have lightning staff in infused.
2) Netch's Touch - not sure how the 5p buff affects the pet but it will add quite a bit of damage to the other abilities.
3) Moondancer - I don't have a lightning staff from that set, and the 5p doesn't look that good since in group content it gives either magicka recovery - the build has already good sustain - or spell damage - it doesn't help the pet.
4) Queen's Elegange - will only buff your heavy and light attacks by 20% (I think they stack additively with other % bonuses tho those so it's less in practice), but also has 2K maximum magicka.

I'm currently developing this one as a full max magicka stack, I'll post an update later on on a sorc with all possibly max magicka amps (bound aegis, inner light, warhorn), the mage mundus and the destruction mastery set are equal to their spell damage equivalents..

I was considering Destruction Mastery also, but that set needs to be on both bars, since you don't want to lose that much maximum magicka when you bar swap, and that means you have to drop Maelstrom. I was just wondering if the loss of DPS from LA & HA is worth it. The upside to that is that I can convince people that is META I can trick them into running vDSA more often. They run from that and vSO like it's the plague

I had a feeling this might happen a week or two ago so bought a full set in divines for cheap in the traders lol. 5x body pieces DM, 3x jewellery and both staves necro, then undaunted monster. Glad to see I was not completely delusional in my hopes lol.

Masel

Asardes wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

How would this build change to account for the Mechanical Acuity change. Since the Sorcerer rotation is mostly DoTs, with little direct damage, would other sets work better? For example I was thinking of using something like 5 Necropotence on the body, 5/3 Infallible Aether jewelry & front bar infused Lightning staff with Maelstrom infused lightning back bar and 2 Ilambris in medium/heavy for Undaunted passive.

We can go 5x necro, 5x Infallible and 2x Ilambris (undaunted mettle) now too, and with the buff to heavy attacks, the 5 piece IA bonus looks pretty tantalising...

IA isn't as good as on a dk because the lightning damage you have either way gets you a good minor vulnerability uptime without IA. On a sorc, critical chance and max magicka are the way to go because they buff everything now, spell damage does not affect pets and Shields, so going for spell damage is detrimental in two ways.

In that case, which front bar set should I pair with Necropotence? A few options I've looked at are:
1) Mother's Sorrow - it may actually outperform MA since it's on all of the time you spend on front bar - I do have lightning staff in infused.
2) Netch's Touch - not sure how the 5p buff affects the pet but it will add quite a bit of damage to the other abilities.
3) Moondancer - I don't have a lightning staff from that set, and the 5p doesn't look that good since in group content it gives either magicka recovery - the build has already good sustain - or spell damage - it doesn't help the pet.
4) Queen's Elegange - will only buff your heavy and light attacks by 20% (I think they stack additively with other % bonuses tho those so it's less in practice), but also has 2K maximum magicka.

I'm currently developing this one as a full max magicka stack, I'll post an update later on on a sorc with all possibly max magicka amps (bound aegis, inner light, warhorn), the mage mundus and the destruction mastery set are equal to their spell damage equivalents..

I was considering Destruction Mastery also, but that set needs to be on both bars, since you don't want to lose that much maximum magicka when you bar swap, and that means you have to drop Maelstrom. I was just wondering if the loss of DPS from LA & HA is worth it. The upside to that is that I can convince people that is META I can trick them into running vDSA more often. They run from that and vSO like it's the plague

I'm using a willpwoer staff on front bar for additional shield strength and a vma lightning back bar, monster sets for ranged dds are useless for a heavy attack build on a sorc

Gorilla

If damage is driven by crit and magicka, why are the rings recommended for SD? Wouldn't boosting magicka be more effective?

Merlin13KAGL

Asardes wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

How would this build change to account for the Mechanical Acuity change. Since the Sorcerer rotation is mostly DoTs, with little direct damage, would other sets work better? For example I was thinking of using something like 5 Necropotence on the body, 5/3 Infallible Aether jewelry & front bar infused Lightning staff with Maelstrom infused lightning back bar and 2 Ilambris in medium/heavy for Undaunted passive.

We can go 5x necro, 5x Infallible and 2x Ilambris (undaunted mettle) now too, and with the buff to heavy attacks, the 5 piece IA bonus looks pretty tantalising...

IA isn't as good as on a dk because the lightning damage you have either way gets you a good minor vulnerability uptime without IA. On a sorc, critical chance and max magicka are the way to go because they buff everything now, spell damage does not affect pets and Shields, so going for spell damage is detrimental in two ways.

In that case, which front bar set should I pair with Necropotence? A few options I've looked at are:
1) Mother's Sorrow - it may actually outperform MA since it's on all of the time you spend on front bar - I do have lightning staff in infused.
2) Netch's Touch - not sure how the 5p buff affects the pet but it will add quite a bit of damage to the other abilities.
3) Moondancer - I don't have a lightning staff from that set, and the 5p doesn't look that good since in group content it gives either magicka recovery - the build has already good sustain - or spell damage - it doesn't help the pet.
4) Queen's Elegange - will only buff your heavy and light attacks by 20% (I think they stack additively with other % bonuses tho those so it's less in practice), but also has 2K maximum magicka.

@Asardes Netch's does nothing for pet damage, as it still buffs SD (just specific to shock).

It's a little counterintuitive, since the pets clearly do shock dmg, but theirs is still based on your max Magicka.

Gorilla wrote: »

If damage is driven by crit and magicka, why are the rings recommended for SD? Wouldn't boosting magicka be more effective?

I assume you're referring to the set bonus portion of things. Your non-pet skills will still see the same bonus from +SD as they do on live. Also, SD will still be buffed from Spell Power pots, further buffing the above.

Gorilla

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

How would this build change to account for the Mechanical Acuity change. Since the Sorcerer rotation is mostly DoTs, with little direct damage, would other sets work better? For example I was thinking of using something like 5 Necropotence on the body, 5/3 Infallible Aether jewelry & front bar infused Lightning staff with Maelstrom infused lightning back bar and 2 Ilambris in medium/heavy for Undaunted passive.

Gorilla wrote: »

If damage is driven by crit and magicka, why are the rings recommended for SD? Wouldn't boosting magicka be more effective?

I assume you're referring to the set bonus portion of things. Your non-pet skills will still see the same bonus from +SD as they do on live. Also, SD will still be buffed from Spell Power pots, further buffing the above.

Yes. And thanks. So to summarize, pet builds favor Mag and Critical; non-pet builds favor all 3?

One other question...what type of HA ticks (or even pulse ticks) are people seeing on these builds? I play console so it's my only way to compare. Thanks.

Gorilla

@Merlin13KAGL @Asardes

Gorilla

So if I am running MS and Necro (+ LLambris), with MS on front bar, how would the bar skills stack up? I normally AoE on the front, with utility / spike damage / etc on the back. Thanks.

Bobby_V_Rockit

56 CP into Master at Arms? Arent most of our attacks dot abilities? Including lightning staff (scales off thaumaturge). 56 points into staff expert instead would get us a 30% increase to both light and heavy attacks

Bobby_V_Rockit

Destruction Mastery + Necropotence + Mage Mundus + Inner Light and Bound Aegis = 61779 max magicka

MakeMeUhSamich

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Destruction Mastery + Necropotence + Mage Mundus + Inner Light and Bound Aegis = 61779 max magicka

Dayum.

Bobby_V_Rockit

MakeMeUhSamich wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Destruction Mastery + Necropotence + Mage Mundus + Inner Light and Bound Aegis = 61779 max magicka

Dayum.

Yeah, empowered ward has a 28915 tooltip, daedric pret 14059 and familiar does 5178 every 2 seconds... loooove this update lol

Cybercore_Death

As always another great build from you @Masel92 :-)

If you get chance could you tidy the wording and rotation up please as it still has references to prior versions of the build on there.

I look forward to testing this one out, thanks again :-)

Masel

Cybercore_Death wrote: »

As always another great build from you @Masel92 :-)

If you get chance could you tidy the wording and rotation up please as it still has references to prior versions of the build on there.

I look forward to testing this one out, thanks again :-)

I would love to do stuff like that, but all i can do right now is compile feedback to present tomorrow at the first dev+class rep meeting...

Cybercore_Death

Masel92 wrote: »

Cybercore_Death wrote: »

As always another great build from you @Masel92 :-)

If you get chance could you tidy the wording and rotation up please as it still has references to prior versions of the build on there.

I look forward to testing this one out, thanks again :-)

I would love to do stuff like that, but all i can do right now is compile feedback to present tomorrow at the first dev+class rep meeting...

Ah, of course. I remember seeing your post around this. I would definitely say this is a priority for you at the moment and I really hope it works as intended. It’s definitely something that’s well over due.

I hope all goes well :-)

pizzaow

I was running some numbers with the max magica build, and you are slightly better off with infused for the big pieces:

Infused (increase enchant by 20%): 868 * 20% = +173.6
Divines (increase mundas by 7.5%): 2028 * 7.5 = +152.1

...not likely to make a noticeable difference, but if you are min-maxing then it should be better (and usually cheaper to buy).

TheMage

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Destruction Mastery + Necropotence + Mage Mundus + Inner Light and Bound Aegis = 61779 max magicka

5 Necro + 5 DM, all Divines + 3 parts Infused (Ilambris Visage, Necro Legs, Necro Robe) + Mundus Mage + Imp + Bound Aegis + Inner Light + Thunderous Rage Ult + Solitude Salmon-Millet Soup = 61174 Magicka.

How did you achieve 61779?

And yes, without vMA staff (if you still haven't it), 5 Necro + 5 Destruction Mastery is the best choice.
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Bobby_V_Rockit

TheMage wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Destruction Mastery + Necropotence + Mage Mundus + Inner Light and Bound Aegis = 61779 max magicka

5 Necro + 5 DM, all Divines + 3 parts Infused (Ilambris Visage, Necro Legs, Necro Robe) + Mundus Mage + Imp + Bound Aegis + Inner Light + Thunderous Rage Ult + Solitude Salmon-Millet Soup = 61174 Magicka.

How did you achieve 61779?

And yes, without vMA staff (if you still haven't it), 5 Necro + 5 Destruction Mastery is the best choice.
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EDIT:

• 5x Necropotence, (2x gold rings, 1x nirnhoned/infused lightning staff, 1x purple necklace)
• 5x Destruction Mastery (5x gold divines body pieces)
• 2x Ilambris (1x heavy, 1x Medium, both divines)
  
  Front Bar: Daedric Prey, Aegis, inner Light, Empowered Ward, Volatile Familiar, Shooting Star
  Back Bar: Lightning Blockade, Aegis, Liquid Lightning, Power Surge, Volatile Familiar, Thunderous Rage
  

Pnyx

Struggling with vMA but need a vMA staff to beat vMA. /facepalm
Wasting my time here.

MakeMeUhSamich

Pnyx wrote: »

Struggling with vMA but need a vMA staff to beat vMA. /facepalm
Wasting my time here.

You absolutely don’t need a VMA staff to beat it. Someone beat it using only the broom and bucket. There’s even a 1 bar VMA build here on the forums.

Masel

Pnyx wrote: »

Struggling with vMA but need a vMA staff to beat vMA. /facepalm
Wasting my time here.

You don't need a vMA staff to beat it. You can use another set: undaunted infiltrator. Retrait it to arcane. It has the same effect as a vMA staff...

GugyinCognito

First off thank you for taking the time to share your build.
I have what may be a rookie question. I have only been playing about two months (CP235) so bear

with my ignorance.
I'm not very good and the constant key combinations (I'm a bit old school) so I appreciate the

simpler rotations.

I have almost finalized this build with the Necropotence / Mechanical Acuity gear.
What should I be selecting for passives?

deLioncourt

GugyinCognito wrote: »

First off thank you for taking the time to share your build.
I have what may be a rookie question. I have only been playing about two months (CP235) so bear

with my ignorance.
I'm not very good and the constant key combinations (I'm a bit old school) so I appreciate the

simpler rotations.

I have almost finalized this build with the Necropotence / Mechanical Acuity gear.
What should I be selecting for passives?

This build is dead now.

Masel

Superhero1257b14_ESO wrote: »

GugyinCognito wrote: »

First off thank you for taking the time to share your build.
I have what may be a rookie question. I have only been playing about two months (CP235) so bear

with my ignorance.
I'm not very good and the constant key combinations (I'm a bit old school) so I appreciate the

simpler rotations.

I have almost finalized this build with the Necropotence / Mechanical Acuity gear.
What should I be selecting for passives?

This build is dead now.

A build like this is actually really good for blackrose prison due tot he superior AoE. I'll update it as soon as iI have the time.

Cybercore_Death

Hi @Masel i've linked my off meta pet sorc build below. Not sure if it will bring anything to the table but it hits 40k using only 4 skills and Spell Power Pots. I'll be trying your rotation later with my setup to see how it compares.



https://youtu.be/CUOsdz8JH0w

Banana

Any chance of the mdk version getting an update