The pug to end all pugs !

Silver_Strider

I applaud your patience OP, I wouldn't have been as kind as you if that had happened to me.

Silver_Strider

I applaud your patience OP, I wouldn't have been as kind as you if that had happened to me.

Aurielle

Okay, I had a smile on my face throughout this post, but this?

GreasyDave wrote: »

I'm not sure flashy hands even knew he hadn't finished the FG pledge. The last I saw of him was a pair of glowing hands disappearing off alone into the dark halls of CoH without anyone else at his back, getting on with the good fight, while we discussed the FG issue.

Still laughing, bahaha. Thanks for sharing, OP.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

I wondered where Crit RushMan had gone! I had the pleasure of running with him about a week ago! He is something to behold. Rush, back up a little, rush, backup a little, rush... I died a little inside that day.

susmitds

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

I wondered where Crit RushMan had gone! I had the pleasure of running with him about a week ago! He is something to behold. Rush, back up a little, rush, backup a little, rush... I died a little inside that day.

And you thought Ambush spammers are bad, xD

failkiwib16_ESO

I run as a healer, and this is what I do when I meet extremely noobish pugs.

1st bar = self buffs, Siphon Sipirt, hots and BoL
2nd bar = self buffs and dmg skills

I start out with casting Rapid Regeneration twice + running ahead of the tank and cast Siphon Spirit on the closest 2-3 mobs for the noobs to keep themselves alive, then I go full DPS on the enemies behind the first 2-3 mobs. It works perfectly, I even do this in the easy veteran dungeons

UrQuan

susmitds wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

I wondered where Crit RushMan had gone! I had the pleasure of running with him about a week ago! He is something to behold. Rush, back up a little, rush, backup a little, rush... I died a little inside that day.

And you thought Ambush spammers are bad, xD

I've been known to Ambush spam... But typically only when I think I've weapon-swapped and I actually haven't :'(

Reverb

Awesome, thanks for sharing this story. Made me smile, and you seem to have a pretty good attitude about it, rather than making a rage post.

I've yet to meet CritRush Man, but I'll eagerly be keeping an eye out.

And Flashy Hands sounds like a step up from a sorc I've been paired with twice now. He is resto/destro spec, and his rotation is: Liquid Lightning, Curse, stand perfectly still for 30 seconds, Ward Ally, resto heavy attack, stand still some more, repeat. I can't even tell you how much time I've spent in those two runs watching him just stand there. No light attacks, no skills, not blocking, just standing completely still. It's mind boggling.

UrQuan

Reverb wrote: »

Awesome, thanks for sharing this story. Made me smile, and you seem to have a pretty good attitude about it, rather than making a rage post.

I've yet to meet CritRush Man, but I'll eagerly be keeping an eye out.

And Flashy Hands sounds like a step up from a sorc I've been paired with twice now. He is resto/destro spec, and his rotation is: Liquid Lightning, Curse, stand perfectly still for 30 seconds, Ward Ally, resto heavy attack, stand still some more, repeat. I can't even tell you how much time I've spent in those two runs watching him just stand there. No light attacks, no skills, not blocking, just standing completely still. It's mind boggling.

He's probably taking selfies for his Insta followers...

Sinolai

Some time ago I was also doing vFG2 and our dds were cp 12 and 42. They barely did any damage and I told them I doubt we will even get pass the first boss (I was the healer).
To my surprise, we finished the dungeon although it took over an hour. The first boss was the hardest and took a few tries but in the end we managed to kill her by resurrecting each others while she was executing someone else

Sinolai

Edit: Double post.

Rune_Relic

susmitds wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

I wondered where Crit RushMan had gone! I had the pleasure of running with him about a week ago! He is something to behold. Rush, back up a little, rush, backup a little, rush... I died a little inside that day.

And you thought Ambush spammers are bad, xD

Stop..please stop....I cant read the text.

Reverb

UrQuan wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

Awesome, thanks for sharing this story. Made me smile, and you seem to have a pretty good attitude about it, rather than making a rage post.

I've yet to meet CritRush Man, but I'll eagerly be keeping an eye out.

And Flashy Hands sounds like a step up from a sorc I've been paired with twice now. He is resto/destro spec, and his rotation is: Liquid Lightning, Curse, stand perfectly still for 30 seconds, Ward Ally, resto heavy attack, stand still some more, repeat. I can't even tell you how much time I've spent in those two runs watching him just stand there. No light attacks, no skills, not blocking, just standing completely still. It's mind boggling.

He's probably taking selfies for his Insta followers...

That would be pretty awesome, actually. All would be forgiven if there is an IG page with a lot of ESO dungeon screen caps.

Curragraigue

So does anyone know how the crown was able to start a new dungeon before the group finder dungeon was complete? I have dealt with PUGs as bad as the OP but thankfully have never had someone group find out before s final boss before.

Reverb

Curragraigue wrote: »

So does anyone know how the crown was able to start a new dungeon before the group finder dungeon was complete? I have dealt with PUGs as bad as the OP but thankfully have never had someone group find out before s final boss before.

As long at the 15-min timer has ended, the crown can queue the party for a random or a specific dungeon from the group menu. I believe the crown can cancel the queue before porting, but the other members cannot. Their only options are port now, or port in 60 seconds.

This is a really efficient way to do all of the pledges with the same group. Just port from one to the next as soon as you finish. Or in this case, before you get to the last boss

GreasyDave

I spotted 561CP DD hunter shouting for for a DD561 cp again last night in Wayrest. I laughed because after a few minutes he'd dropped to 400CP DD ....

I actually think this problem could begin to be solved with a simple Mammoth Minute test at the Undaunted enclaves. WHen new toons show up to grab their first pledge they could be asked if they think they're a vet or a regular joe and told that they can step round to the Mammoth field and find out. Have go at bringing a tamed mammoth to it's knees in a minute to see where they stand.

Give the mammoth 900k health. Put an NPC healer on standby and some NPC to aggro it, and everyone can have a simple dps test. IF they don't get it onto it's knees inside a minute, NPC advises them to stick with regular dungeons for now. IF they haven't got it to it's knees inside 5 minutes, NPC gives them the Glowing Gloves of Meridia - a unique item to be used only when soloing pledges -giving the wearer absolute immunity to damage received providing their previous 4 attacks were either light attacks or Overload.

Btw thanks for the invites to group with you guys. I normally run with my mates from a small guild. But when they're offline or one of them is absent then I pug with Flashy hands. I'm EU server, so if any of you are in small -medium pledge guilds I'd accept an invite or 2.

Mr_Apollo

psxfloh wrote: »

I do think there's only two, yeah only two, ways to be happy with group finder:
1. Never use it on your own, bring at least one decent teammate
2. Be the big badass DD yourself so you can rush through everything no matter how bad the other DD is / DDs are. Tanking in dungeons requires almost no skill, and only so much for taunting and not being one-shotted. Healing, at least in the meaning of pure healing, in dungeons requires even less skill, as the tank is (hopefully) taking care of one-shot mechanics. And if the tank dies, just avoid being one shotted - you're the badass and you know all the mechanics, so dps him down and put up your block now and then.

So when you're alone and start the activity finder, you only need an 'ok' tank and healer - and most of the players get these two jobs done in a way so you can dps your way through everything the game throws at you.

Of course that works not for all vet dungeons! But everything except the DLC dungeons should be manageable...

I really hope that you were trolling, or not being serious...because tanking does require skill, so does DPSing and Healing, no role requires no skill...if you really think tanking requires no skill, effort to learn, then I'm sorry to say but im pretty sure you can do much better

heng14rwb17_ESO

While on 2 day vacation, i'm going to find flashy hand & CritRush man to run a vet dlc dung...

It shall be the most memorable holiday i will ever have.

GreasyDave

heng14rwb17_ESO wrote: »

While on 2 day vacation, i'm going to find flashy hand & CritRush man to run a vet dlc dung...

It shall be the most memorable holiday i will ever have.

EU server. Sunday morning EU time -no idea where they were located....but THEY ARE OUT THERE.

psxfloh

@Mr_Apollo
Sorry - no offense intended. Apologies to all tanks and healers!
I know good tanks and good healers do a lot more than just tanking and healing (most of the time I'm a healer myself).

It's just.. a bad tank can still taunt the bosses and one-hitters and leave the rest to the DDs. A bad healer will probably still be able to keep you alive (or you should be able to stay alive even without a healer at all).
A bad DD on the other hand will contribute close to nothing, and the tank+healer will have a hard time to compensate the lack of dmg.

So I'll always prefer a bad tank+healer plus good DDs over the opposite!

Mr_Apollo

psxfloh wrote: »

@Mr_Apollo
Sorry - no offense intended. Apologies to all tanks and healers!
I know good tanks and good healers do a lot more than just tanking and healing (most of the time I'm a healer myself).

It's just.. a bad tank can still taunt the bosses and one-hitters and leave the rest to the DDs. A bad healer will probably still be able to keep you alive (or you should be able to stay alive even without a healer at all).
A bad DD on the other hand will contribute close to nothing, and the tank+healer will have a hard time to compensate the lack of dmg.

So I'll always prefer a bad tank+healer plus good DDs over the opposite!

@psxfloh
That is more reasonable, no need to apologize as I may had came out a bit rude. Just frustrates me a bit on how DDs will usually underestimate the difference a healer and tank can do. Been offended way too much as I'm a decent tank and quite enjoy the role, be in the middle of a PUG dungeon only to being the last one alive and being blamed for not having DPS, stories like "I normally use 3DD and healer" "Oh, Tanks are not worth it, switch to your DPS bar and do nothing but dps" (have been told the last one). If the role is there, and if I'm the last one alive and keeping the boss + adds on me then its not me whos a bad tank for you not dodging the AOEs, but your fault for not having enough smarts to block and move out of the way

psxfloh

Mr_Apollo wrote: »

Just frustrates me a bit on how DDs will usually underestimate the difference a healer and tank can do. [...] and being blamed for not having DPS, stories like "I normally use 3DD and healer"

*sigh* - well.. I often do dungeons without a tank, and I'm quite used to it. Be it as one of the DDs or the healer. And even as "the healer" I contribute as much dps as I can.
I think as the tank or healer you must do "just enough" tanking or healing to fullfil your role and put all the rest into dps.

Sure, the dlc-dungeons (vet mode) force your group setup to be more "classic" (one tank, one heal + DDs). And I wouldn't run icp, cos or mazzatun without a tank. But for the rest: the more dps the better!

SolarCat02

Tanks and healers make a big difference.

I run with a tank when possible. I don't need one for most content (my healer can also off-tank in her light armor, and feels comfortable doing so for pretty much any non-melee boss), but almost everything is much smoother with a tank, and I am actually annoyed with some of the mechanics in the "new" veteran dungeons that discourage bringing a tank.

Healers let people spend more time concentrating on their main job, without needing to micromanage their health bar. We are working on "training" another healer right now. He has the skills unlocked, just needs the instincts, and I tell you what, it's a noticeable difference between someone still learning and someone who has the experience. I died a lot running out of resources trying to self heal and getting overwhelmed by the adds I had been successfully taking care of before the healer moved away from me. (I did buy enough time for the other DPS to finish off the boss before the adds started hitting him too hard, though!)

Healers and tanks make things much easier.

Junipus

Mr_Apollo wrote: »

psxfloh wrote: »

I do think there's only two, yeah only two, ways to be happy with group finder:
1. Never use it on your own, bring at least one decent teammate
2. Be the big badass DD yourself so you can rush through everything no matter how bad the other DD is / DDs are. Tanking in dungeons requires almost no skill, and only so much for taunting and not being one-shotted. Healing, at least in the meaning of pure healing, in dungeons requires even less skill, as the tank is (hopefully) taking care of one-shot mechanics. And if the tank dies, just avoid being one shotted - you're the badass and you know all the mechanics, so dps him down and put up your block now and then.

So when you're alone and start the activity finder, you only need an 'ok' tank and healer - and most of the players get these two jobs done in a way so you can dps your way through everything the game throws at you.

Of course that works not for all vet dungeons! But everything except the DLC dungeons should be manageable...

I really hope that you were trolling, or not being serious...because tanking does require skill, so does DPSing and Healing, no role requires no skill...if you really think tanking requires no skill, effort to learn, then I'm sorry to say but im pretty sure you can do much better

All roles require skill, but you don't need to be an uber-skilled tank or healer to do the daily pledges smoothly. It certainly helps and there's some that cannot be done without a tank or healer, but given that 4 stam sorcs can fly through Spindle 2 and Direfrost and probably others, you don't need a tank or healer for some dungeons and you don't need good ones for the majority of them providing you have skillful dps.

psxfloh

Junipus wrote: »

All roles require skill, but you don't need to be an uber-skilled tank or healer to do the daily pledges smoothly. It certainly helps and there's some that cannot be done without a tank or healer, but given that 4 stam sorcs can fly through Spindle 2 and Direfrost and probably others, you don't need a tank or healer for some dungeons and you don't need good ones for the majority of them providing you have skillful dps.

^this!

SublimeSparo

The person we had from group finder the other day- cp capped sorc
I'm guessing they had recently acquired Infernal guardian, and even though we had a tank who was aggroing absolutely everything and a trials spec healer was shieild stacking Hardened, Harness and Healing ward in order to proc IG (i guess they didn't understand that one shield cast occasionally will proc it exactly the same amount)
I couldn't work out if they were trolling, thought that using IG as the main part of a dps rotation was a good idea, or was just testing out his new set.
Ironically i was testing IG out on my blazing shield tank at the same time, and was somehow proccing mine more often, despite only using one shield and rotating through taunts, drain essence and power of the light etc.
Was bizarre.

acw37162

Classic

kylerjalen

GreasyDave wrote: »

Let me just say, I've posted here supporting a tolerant attitude in group while pugging. Be excellent to each other etc. But I got trolled by the vet pug to end all vet pugs on Sunday and now i really am not so sure what to think about the issue. The story is actually funny so I thought I'd share.

In Stormhaven there's a dude shouting for 2DD's 561 cp for FG2. I whisper I'm not 561 but I know the dungeon and can DD for him if he can't find a 561. The dude doesn't answer. NP, I can understand a max CP player looking for other max cp players. I get into the dungeon finder queue. Five minutes later I'm invited into a group by the group tool. It's the guy who'd been shouting for 561 cp DD's. Except I double blinked when I saw he's only 300 CP. I didn't ask him why he needed 561 cp dd's but maybe I should have.

We enter the dungeon, the guy shouting in stormhaven was tanking and his mate was healing and tbh, the tank was decent. He wasn't running igneous...and I had to lose a dps slot to power up the bunnies - despite asking him to - but no problem. He tanked well. Healer healed adequately. The problem was the other dps - definitely NOT a 561 cp monster. I actually thought the guys were trolling me to be honest. DD had a 2h and was just crit rushing everything. That was it. Nothing else. And noone said anything!

Now, my dps isn't great, it's not the best, but it's good enough for vet pledges. 20k when I get the rotation running properly. Less when the Boss is jumping around and I'm red circle dodging. I'm 300 cp DK with the best gear and skills for the job at this level in time. I could be ALOT better. But I could be alot worse. So I'm not the type to start lecturing other people about low dps. I've been a very low dps. I know how it feels. The problem was I was pulling 50-60 percent of the group's damage And this guy was JUST crit rushing?

It went pear-shaped at the second boss, the one who chains, cos I got chained and they didn't have enough dps to break me free in time. The good news was that the DD somehow found this all too frustrating and bailed. Which was a relief because I was about to tell him how he needed to change what he was doing (Oh the carebear inside me cringed at the thought ). Second DD dropped in and he was excellent. We blasted through the chain Boss without a problem. Except he then crashed and didn't come back

So group finder sent us a third blessing! And if I thought crit rush guy had been trolling us, I didn't know about third DD. He was, the cliche-to-end-all-cliche's a sorc with 400 plus CP, light attack spamming and then overloading. Seriously! I honestly didn't think this type of player existed. I just thought it was forum myth. Guys exaggerating about bad pugs to make a point. But there he was in all his innocent glory -spamming those glowing fists! And now I was dealing 70 percent of the groups damage !

WE marched on. The dungeon isn't too hard - just long. The mage flashed his flashy hands and contributed nothing and we beat our way through the BOsses. When we got to the Spider in cave Boss (Can't remember the names of these things) Flashy Hands volunteered to go inside which made me laugh. He vanished and didn't reappear once until AFTER the Boss was dead - looking sheepish, shuffling his feet, cleaning wax from his ears and putting the ciggy out we'd caught him smoking. Anyone who's been in the spider cave knows how easy it is. You should be in and out of the cave a few times during the fight. To NOT get out at all I find incredibly impressive. Either a major feat of incompetence or one of brilliant cunning. I'm not sure which. Either he was inside in "sneak mode" having a quiet cigarette while we busted our keyboards outside or he really was in there labouring away with light attacks ?:D I don't know which is a sadder picture.

OK. This wouldn't be a funny story if that was it. Unfortunately there's more.

Penultimate Boss, I checked my watch and we'd been in for just over an hour. I was happy. I'd be out soon - final Boss is just a question of running backwards and forwards and slowly ranging her down. Not hard. Tank and I beat down penultimate Boss. Mage came with us! Telling us how he hates this Boss cos it eats his mana? What? - he KNEW the BOss mechanics BEFORE he jumped down and he still joined us? Whatever, the boss is dead. I grab the crystal. I noticed the leader had his head in a book - figured he was checking the map. "This way" I yell and run out towards the river, pulling all the adds. "Don't fight them" I yell. Tank leader is following me. Glow hands has stopped to fight. Suddenly, I get an auto pop up telling me I've been invited to join a group in CoH. I'm puzzled. Group finder must have gone crazy. I dismiss it and keep running. I get to the river. The leader arrives. Flashy hands is fighting the mobs all on his lonesome. "Final BOss, is this way," I say. "Final Boss?" says the tank.

Pop!

And I'm looking at the loading screen to CoH.

That's the point when I really had to laugh. Up till then I'd been irritated. But this was bloody funny.

The leader had never completed FG2. He thought that the mana stealer was the final guy and had set the port / group finder to transport us ALL out automatically. All of us. I have no idea what he pressed or how he accomplished this. But he admitted to doing it.

I was lost for words...truly. I ported back and ended back at the beginning with the goblin munchkins reset. Leader refused to try porting back to see if his presence would put us in the right instance. He just asked if I wanted to go and do CoH with them? That was it. If he was even slightly vexed about losing all that hard work, he didn't say it. Which was also really funny. Funnier still was how noone else in the group had a problem with it. I'm not sure flashy hands even knew he hadn't finished the FG pledge. The last I saw of him was a pair of glowing hands disappearing off alone into the dark halls of CoH without anyone else at his back, getting on with the good fight, while we discussed the FG issue.

I wished the leader alot of fun, left group and felt mildly sorry for whoever would be the next DD to be grouped with them.

So, now if someone asks me, what I think about pugging vet pledges - I think hard on that fantastic 90 minutes of my life I wont get back and I dont know what to say!

I read through the whole thing... twice.
Wow... some stuff you just canNOT make up.

disintegr8

I generally PUG with a friend and if we were in your shoes, we would have left at the Bandyu fight (Chain man). We don't waste a lot of time trying to complete dungeons with players who might be 'inexperienced' and don't communicate or listen. We stay long enough to serve our 15 minutes, if we can tolerate it, and leave.

I think the biggest frustration we have, after running the dungeons many times over, is knowing that we do not have to kill every last living thing in every dungeon to complete it. Seems to be a common occurrence for us that when we get a group that is lacking in some way, someone always feels the need to make life hard and kill everything.

zaria

heng14rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Lol.
Flashy hand is OP.

Why did he care if boss drained magic?
Did not sounds like he used magic at all.

And awesome story.