Too much penetration

Matt45045

Is there a way to see how much armor an enemy actually as? I know penetration over an enemy's armor is wasted and trash mobs don't have much to begin with. I have two sharpened daggers, one with a crusher enchantment, and a Night Mother's Gaze set. I'm also working on a Sunderflame. I'm thinking this is too much for trash mobs but was wondering if there is a way to see exactly how much armor a mob/boss has.

Matt45045

Also, if I added the Sunderflames to the Nightmother's Gaze, would this work well in PVP for Heavily armored opponents assuming they weren't blocking or using a damage shield?

Qbiken

Matt45045 wrote: »

Is there a way to see how much armor an enemy actually as? I know penetration over an enemy's armor is wasted and trash mobs don't have much to begin with. I have two sharpened daggers, one with a crusher enchantment, and a Night Mother's Gaze set. I'm also working on a Sunderflame. I'm thinking this is too much for trash mobs but was wondering if there is a way to see exactly how much armor a mob/boss has.

If using the new 2h ultimate (not sure which morph tho) that "steals" the enemies armorresistance and gives it to you, it´s possible to calculate the enemies resistance. But in general bosses in PvE have about 18-19k resistance.

DeanTheCat

If I recall, an mob in a Dungeon has round 18k resists while opponents in PvP generally have round 20-25k resists due to the current heavy armour meta. Medium armour users have generally round 10-15k armour and Light armour users have generally round 8-14k armour.

5k armour is roughly round 8% mitigation, hardcapping at 50% at 32.5k armour. Do note however that damage shields cannot be critted and have zero armour, so all your penetration is wasted when facing against a shielded opponent in PvP.

Liofa

Usually , at least in dungeons and trials , everything has 18200 armor . You can test it with the 2H ultimate if you want . Make sure you have 0 armor and no passives .

Asardes

Trash mobs in dungeons have 18K armor but bosses can have more, up to 24K. I think that has been standardized in the last patch. So you can't overpenetrate unless maybe stacking Something like Kra'gh (1.9K), Spriggan (4K), Night Mother's Gaze set proc (2.6K), Major Fracture from puncture or noxious breath (5.2K), Crusher enchantment (0.9K), Roar of Alkosh set proc (3K) and sharpened weapons (5.2K). That would be a whooping 22.8K penetration. Spinner is pretty useless for PvE though and it's good only in PvP, since you won't have many of those buffs up, like you will probably have in a well tuned trial group.

Lord_Wrath

If you have more penetration than your targets armor, does that left over penetration count for extra damage?

cellobuddy

Lord_Wrath wrote: »

If you have more penetration than your targets armor, does that left over penetration count for extra damage?

Nope. the mitigation multiplier for resistance just becomes 1 instead of something <1.

ArtOfShred

9100 armor for mobs in overland/public dungeons/delves.
18200 for dungeons, trials, and world bosses.
Maelstrom Arena is the exception as far as I know, where armor values are variable.

Matt45045

I tested this this morning and ArtofShred is correct.

exeeter702

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Over-penetration is next to impossible. In a perfect raid, you can do it some of the time with a very organized group.

The Sharpened trait is arguably the most OP thing in this game at the moment. If you are a DPS, there is no other trait worth considering, even in the perfect group.

Imhotep71

exeeter702 wrote: »

Oh this thread really is asking for a Thats what she said comment.

No Im not all that mature. You play video games too so dont get all judgy

Icy_Waffles

Is it bad that part of me was hoping that this was a troll post?

That being said, good info, thabjs for sharing