WHY RP-players are so sensitive and mad?

Khenarthi

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

Khenarthi wrote: »

Why would you /hammer?

Maybe he was RPing a handyman.

I just fail to see how that would be fun. Sometimes if I have to leave the keyboard and want to stop the game kicking me out I /saluteloop, or /sitchair.

jedtb16_ESO

Khenarthi wrote: »

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

Khenarthi wrote: »

Why would you /hammer?

Maybe he was RPing a handyman.

I just fail to see how that would be fun. Sometimes if I have to leave the keyboard and want to stop the game kicking me out I /saluteloop, or /sitchair.

slightly off topic...

how long can you remain inactive without getting kicked?

on one occasion was kicked after 5 minutes...... another, 20 minutes later still there.

bottleofsyrup

Khenarthi wrote: »

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

Khenarthi wrote: »

Why would you /hammer?

Maybe he was RPing a handyman.

I just fail to see how that would be fun. Sometimes if I have to leave the keyboard and want to stop the game kicking me out I /saluteloop, or /sitchair.

I fail to see how standing in the same tavern every day *blushing* is fun. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Maybe OP just has different tastes.

strikeback1247

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

Khenarthi wrote: »

Why would you /hammer?

Maybe he was RPing a handyman.

I personally always RP as "Hammerman"

My main goal and purpose in life is to hammer in situations where hammering is not needed.

bottleofsyrup

strikeback1247 wrote: »

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

Khenarthi wrote: »

Why would you /hammer?

Maybe he was RPing a handyman.

I personally always RP as "Hammerman"

My main goal and purpose in life is to hammer in situations where hammering is not needed.

JKorr

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

First of all, if you were doing that to his character, yeah it can be considered player harassment, which is indeed against the terms of the TOS you and everyone else has signed. While I personally believe ZOS pretty much ignores player harassment, people have been sanctioned (temp bans) and/or literally removed from areas where they were deliberately disrupting the play of others in the past. Even if it was "just nearby" that is a noisy emote and you were probably very well aware it would be annoying to those playing there. It's pretty disingenuous to claim otherwise. Imagine you are trying to have a conversation with a friend and someone's kid is throwing a temper tantrum 2 feet away from you and their parent refuses to do anything about it. And since it's a little kid, YOU can't do anything about it either. So you are forced to leave. Imagine this happens to you, no matter where you are, every time you try to talk to any of your friends. That's what roleplayers get every single time they log in. After awhile you really start hating those people. The number one reason there has been a demand for player housing is simply so rolepayers have a place to go do their thing WITHOUT being harassed continuously by other players.

And THAT is why roleplayers are "so sensitive and mad."

And good riddance when housing comes.

JKorr wrote: »

Lumbermill_Emperor wrote: »

i just did /hammer near one of them and then i went to kitchen to drink some beer
and when i returned i see this:
and i even cannot answer him because he put me on ignore

So, you saw someone role-playing, and intentionally, purposely went close enough to make sure they saw you, and did something to interrupt/disrupt what they were doing.

Gosh. I can't imagine why the role-players get upset. I mean, I'm sure that you were the only player ever who went and did something like that while the role-players were trying to play. Its not as though people constantly disrupt the rp for others.

In case you can't tell, yes that was /sarcasm.

I don't know why a group/guild that want to rp don't make a group so everything they type stays out of chat. It would give the people who think someone role-playing is offensive in some way no reason to start hammering near them. I can't understand why some players can't ignore the ones who want to rp. If they really bother someone that much, whisper them, ask them to group so their chat is private, or say you have a quest and you'll be gone as soon as you finish, then leave them alone. If they won't let you do what you have to for a quest or to get to the bank or trader or whatever, then you can report them.

I did this once when people were role-playing about Minotaur ***. I was told to "go f*** a bear".

Then report them. :shrug: They have a right to play, but so do you. They agreed to the same TOS/code of conduct.
2.5 You may not harass, threaten, embarrass, or cause distress to another customer or guest using ZeniMax sites and Services. This includes but is not limited to verbal attacks, unwanted messaging, personal attacks, stalking or any other undesired behavior used to cause discomfort or disrupt another customer's experience. At all times users will refrain from attacking Age, Race, Disability, Sexual Orientation, National Origin, Pregnancy, Gender or any other protected category under Federal or Maryland State law.

2.6 Users will not transmit or facilitate distribution of content that is harmful, abusive, racially or ethnically offensive, vulgar, sexually explicit, defamatory, infringing, invasive of personal privacy or publicity rights, or in a reasonable person's view, objectionable. Hate speech is not tolerated at any time.

2.7 You may not disrupt the flow of chat in chat rooms, message forums or games with vulgar language, abusive behavior, multiple key returns or posting large images in an attempt to disturb other users. Spamming, flooding [posting repetitive text], bumping and any other disruptive behavior will not be tolerated.

I needed to finish a quest and there were rp people blocking the npcs I needed to get to. They weren't very civil, so I did report them, put them all on ignore, then went around/over them to finish my quest and left.

bottleofsyrup

JKorr wrote: »

bottleofsyrup wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

First of all, if you were doing that to his character, yeah it can be considered player harassment, which is indeed against the terms of the TOS you and everyone else has signed. While I personally believe ZOS pretty much ignores player harassment, people have been sanctioned (temp bans) and/or literally removed from areas where they were deliberately disrupting the play of others in the past. Even if it was "just nearby" that is a noisy emote and you were probably very well aware it would be annoying to those playing there. It's pretty disingenuous to claim otherwise. Imagine you are trying to have a conversation with a friend and someone's kid is throwing a temper tantrum 2 feet away from you and their parent refuses to do anything about it. And since it's a little kid, YOU can't do anything about it either. So you are forced to leave. Imagine this happens to you, no matter where you are, every time you try to talk to any of your friends. That's what roleplayers get every single time they log in. After awhile you really start hating those people. The number one reason there has been a demand for player housing is simply so rolepayers have a place to go do their thing WITHOUT being harassed continuously by other players.

And THAT is why roleplayers are "so sensitive and mad."

And good riddance when housing comes.

JKorr wrote: »

Lumbermill_Emperor wrote: »

i just did /hammer near one of them and then i went to kitchen to drink some beer
and when i returned i see this:
and i even cannot answer him because he put me on ignore

So, you saw someone role-playing, and intentionally, purposely went close enough to make sure they saw you, and did something to interrupt/disrupt what they were doing.

Gosh. I can't imagine why the role-players get upset. I mean, I'm sure that you were the only player ever who went and did something like that while the role-players were trying to play. Its not as though people constantly disrupt the rp for others.

In case you can't tell, yes that was /sarcasm.

I don't know why a group/guild that want to rp don't make a group so everything they type stays out of chat. It would give the people who think someone role-playing is offensive in some way no reason to start hammering near them. I can't understand why some players can't ignore the ones who want to rp. If they really bother someone that much, whisper them, ask them to group so their chat is private, or say you have a quest and you'll be gone as soon as you finish, then leave them alone. If they won't let you do what you have to for a quest or to get to the bank or trader or whatever, then you can report them.

I did this once when people were role-playing about Minotaur ***. I was told to "go f*** a bear".

Then report them. :shrug: They have a right to play, but so do you. They agreed to the same TOS/code of conduct.
2.5 You may not harass, threaten, embarrass, or cause distress to another customer or guest using ZeniMax sites and Services. This includes but is not limited to verbal attacks, unwanted messaging, personal attacks, stalking or any other undesired behavior used to cause discomfort or disrupt another customer's experience. At all times users will refrain from attacking Age, Race, Disability, Sexual Orientation, National Origin, Pregnancy, Gender or any other protected category under Federal or Maryland State law.

2.6 Users will not transmit or facilitate distribution of content that is harmful, abusive, racially or ethnically offensive, vulgar, sexually explicit, defamatory, infringing, invasive of personal privacy or publicity rights, or in a reasonable person's view, objectionable. Hate speech is not tolerated at any time.

2.7 You may not disrupt the flow of chat in chat rooms, message forums or games with vulgar language, abusive behavior, multiple key returns or posting large images in an attempt to disturb other users. Spamming, flooding [posting repetitive text], bumping and any other disruptive behavior will not be tolerated.

I needed to finish a quest and there were rp people blocking the npcs I needed to get to. They weren't very civil, so I did report them, put them all on ignore, then went around/over them to finish my quest and left.

Uh, I did?

failkiwib16_ESO

@JKorr lack of chat options, and often roleplayers invite friends who come nearby and hang out, but don't join the group. The grouping-thing can be immersive breaking for some.

They use /say to chat, they use /emote to describe their feelings/ thoughts/ actions etc. and group chat is only 1 chat, so they won't be able to seperate their emotes from what they say, unless they use special signs like *"#¤%&/ to indicate those things... it gets messy when the chats aren't different colored.

There are as many types of people who roleplay, and some are extremely sensitive and freak out easily - but those sensitive ones are rare.

Me and my guild was once invited to a khajiit roleplay event, and we showed up all dressed in clothes and used /emote and /say to communicate. One of my naughty officers couldn't stand still - not even for a minute, so he stole and had NPC's beat him (he was a tank) and finally got 2 guards 3 npcs chasing him while he circled the event location ...nobody said a word about it for about 20 minutes, untill my naughty officer was called in to help with a dungeon and we got peace.
-another friend of mine who's a hardcore roleplayer, breaks pretty much every chat type rule of roleplaying. It's usually frowned upon to make use of ":D =^..^=" and other stuff like that, but he puts 4-5 into every line he writes. He is still accepted in the roleplay community, and they don't talk about it when he writes those smileys.

Lucious90

Online RPers, the socially awkward nerds of societies socially awkward nerds, that guy should just nut up and ignore you, simple, when I need to AFK I do all kinds of things just so I dont get kicked because of the god awful long loading screens from Character Select to game.....So what you are saying now, is if I have to take my puppy for a bio, instead of /hammer /flex /dance or whatever emote I decide to use on the fly, I have to be mindful of breaking RPers "muh immershun" and find a less populated area Or risk harassing behavior and the possibility of an arbitary ban?

altemriel

Lumbermill_Emperor wrote: »

i just did /hammer near one of them and then i went to kitchen to drink some beer
and when i returned i see this:
and i even cannot answer him because he put me on ignore

well, while I agree with you that what he did was too much in our point of view, but probably, in the point of view of a RP-player, you have hit his character with a hammer, which could be RP-wise seen as harrasment or similar thing

Asardes

I only do that hammer thing in Cyrodiil. It's not actually a hammer, the tool tip says Maul of the Night Mother's Gaze, sharpened. It's really fun hammering people, especially with critical rush, flawless dawnbreaker, heavy attack with executioner.

But that's called AP, not RP. What's RP anyway?

Kendaric

It's easy to judge without knowing what really happened.

I doubt any serious RPer would get annoyed by some fool activating an emote, unless it's purpose was to disrupt RP. And quite frankly, if it was done with the purpose of disrupting RP, they have every right to be mad.

lardvader

Kendaric wrote: »

It's easy to judge without knowing what really happened.

I doubt any serious RPer would get annoyed by some fool activating an emote, unless it's purpose was to disrupt RP. And quite frankly, if it was done with the purpose of disrupting RP, they have every right to be mad.

Yes I also just see one side of the story here and we're simply being told what happened. I'm not judging but I don't see a point to this thread.....

Lucious90

Kendaric wrote: »

It's easy to judge without knowing what really happened.

I doubt any serious RPer would get annoyed by some fool activating an emote, unless it's purpose was to disrupt RP. And quite frankly, if it was done with the purpose of disrupting RP, they have every right to be mad.

How do you determine if it was done on purpose or not? This is the issue, IF the OP didnt do it with the intent of disrupting but the RP group happens to be in the same vicinity when he did it, how do you determine that in an online game outside of the blatant active harassment? Lets say I am intending on harassing a RP group and I use an emote once, and they report me, cant I just say without evidence to prove otherwise that I was AFK and didnt know? Or what if I am grinding in a zone where RPers are on their "adventure" and its a grind spot, am I interupting their RP session? So basically at what point does a situation just becomes perceived harassment case and not an actual.

I run around town all the time spamming /dance does that constitute harassment under the eyes of a RPer?

Azuramoonstar

guess you never played WoW....

that is peanuts, compared to What some rp'ers can do.

rp isn't hard to do, and ES games are good to rp in.

As a person who rp's on occasion, it is disruptive when a person trolls your rp.

stewhead2ub17_ESO

So admittedly you instigated the whole incident. It's about respect for others. Get some.

Smasherx74

OP you intentionally tried to break his immersion, if you continued this you'd definitely be banned.

Idk what everyones problem is in this thread, but it's not cool to go around messing up RPers rp.

Mandragora

lardvader wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

It's easy to judge without knowing what really happened.

I doubt any serious RPer would get annoyed by some fool activating an emote, unless it's purpose was to disrupt RP. And quite frankly, if it was done with the purpose of disrupting RP, they have every right to be mad.

Yes I also just see one side of the story here and we're simply being told what happened. I'm not judging but I don't see a point to this thread.....

I agree - it looks like a troll post made by someone who dislike RP players and was trolling someone in the game. And we don't even know, why that person was mad or if this post is a fake - the only fact obvious here is his trolling against RP community...

waterfairy

Messing with his mersion?

Rev Rielle

You were in the wrong yes. Not sure what you were expecting, as you clearly were trying to get a response or incite some level of discomfort for the other players. But their reaction is over the top too.

Maybe another top this thread could just as accurately be: Why do some people go out of their way to annoy RPers?.
Or perhaps even more accurately: Why do some players just like to annoy other players who play the game differently from themselves?

Maybe you should ask yourself why you felt the need to hammer at them in the first place? As others say; respect. Players really have no grounds to complain or even query if they act immature too.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Why didn't you just say to him that he was interrupting your Roleplay and was in Violation, that would of screwed him up, it's not like you were the one trying to message a roleplayer...

Lumbermill_Emperor

@TX12001rwb17_ESO
he put me on ignore before i had a chance to answer

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Then tell someone else to tell him or say it in Zone chat, and yes since he was trying to outright communicate with you that would of been a greater offense.

LaiTash

JKorr wrote: »

I can't understand why some players can't ignore the ones who want to rp. If they really bother someone that much, whisper them, ask them to group so their chat is private, or say you have a quest and you'll be gone as soon as you finish, then leave them alone. If they won't let you do what you have to for a quest or to get to the bank or trader or whatever, then you can report them.

I don't get it how someone's rp can bother anyone, tbh.

Kendaric

Lucious90 wrote: »

Kendaric wrote: »

It's easy to judge without knowing what really happened.

I doubt any serious RPer would get annoyed by some fool activating an emote, unless it's purpose was to disrupt RP. And quite frankly, if it was done with the purpose of disrupting RP, they have every right to be mad.

How do you determine if it was done on purpose or not? This is the issue, IF the OP didnt do it with the intent of disrupting but the RP group happens to be in the same vicinity when he did it, how do you determine that in an online game outside of the blatant active harassment? Lets say I am intending on harassing a RP group and I use an emote once, and they report me, cant I just say without evidence to prove otherwise that I was AFK and didnt know? Or what if I am grinding in a zone where RPers are on their "adventure" and its a grind spot, am I interupting their RP session? So basically at what point does a situation just becomes perceived harassment case and not an actual.

I run around town all the time spamming /dance does that constitute harassment under the eyes of a RPer?

It depends on the situation @Lucious90.
Lets take your /dance example.... under normal circumstances I'd write you off as a madman or drunkard and continue, without giving you a second thought. This is non-disruptive.
Now, if you run into the middle of a RP group and spam /dance and/or hop around them, it's pretty obvious you want to disrupt their RP.
Grindspots are pretty useless for RP anyway due to respawn times, so you'd be unlikely to encounter that situation.

Just be respectful when you see someone RPing and you won't get into trouble with any serious RPer. This works both ways, of course... when I see someone grinding, I don't use that spot for RP or I wait until they leave.

Chuga_Rei

MarkusLiberty wrote: »

I get that some people dislike role-playing, but is it really okay to intervene? Even if it isn't against the rules, it's kind of a lame thing to do in my opinion.

One of the most fun reoccurring experiences I have had in this game is RP'ers heading to cyrodill. Without fail every time regardless of what event they had planned they end up larping as a death recap screen for a couple hours before retreating to safer spaces.

praxis

One time I RP'd as a handyman in Cyrodiil and fixed all the broken things. They made me Emperor.

Junipus

Tryxus wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

First of all, if you were doing that to his character, yeah it can be considered player harassment, which is indeed against the terms of the TOS you and everyone else has signed. While I personally believe ZOS pretty much ignores player harassment, people have been sanctioned (temp bans) and/or literally removed from areas where they were deliberately disrupting the play of others in the past. Even if it was "just nearby" that is a noisy emote and you were probably very well aware it would be annoying to those playing there. It's pretty disingenuous to claim otherwise. Imagine you are trying to have a conversation with a friend and someone's kid is throwing a temper tantrum 2 feet away from you and their parent refuses to do anything about it. And since it's a little kid, YOU can't do anything about it either. So you are forced to leave. Imagine this happens to you, no matter where you are, every time you try to talk to any of your friends. That's what roleplayers get every single time they log in. After awhile you really start hating those people. The number one reason there has been a demand for player housing is simply so rolepayers have a place to go do their thing WITHOUT being harassed continuously by other players.

And THAT is why roleplayers are "so sensitive and mad."

With that logic, everyone who isn't a RPer should get banned

Blasting through a delve where RPers are pretending they're exploring the mighty cave of whotsit might annoy them but it's part and parcel of the game.

Dueling inside a tavern or other place where they congregate is borderline since you wouldn't be doing it deliberately but can be seen as harassment by ZOS if they choose to.

Standing in a tavern or other RP location and spamming skills like healing springs or using /emotes on them is harassment/griefing since you have no other purpose there than to disrupt other people's enjoyments and would likely result in a warning if not a temp ban by ZOS.

People have been banned for far less than what the OP did and in far more gray areas so always be aware with RPers.

timidobserver

Tryxus wrote: »

I like how he's so certain you're gonna get banned for that

Just imagine the face he'll make when he gets a reply from ZOS, telling him to man up and put you on his ignore list instead

Actually, he might just get banned or suspended. ZOS is very protective of RPers. I have heard of some bans/suspensions for using skills/emotes around them.

Abeille

Kendaric wrote: »

It's easy to judge without knowing what really happened.

I doubt any serious RPer would get annoyed by some fool activating an emote, unless it's purpose was to disrupt RP. And quite frankly, if it was done with the purpose of disrupting RP, they have every right to be mad.

This.

I find it funny how I never encountered these "meanie roleplayers" people speak of.