I've been kicked out of 4 groups today. Four!

raglau

SolarCat02 wrote: »

Pibbles wrote: »

chelsweyr wrote: »

alephthiago wrote: »

Dude is so bad that its being kicked from PUBLIC dungeons lol

I'm blaming that typo on the lack of edit feature. Boourns!

chelsweyr wrote: »

alephthiago wrote: »

Dude is so bad that its being kicked from PUBLIC dungeons lol

I'm blaming that typo on the lack of edit feature. Boourns!

For some odd reason you cannot edit your own first post in a thread. ESO has so many bugs they're infecting the forum now

You can, actually. Click the gear in the top right corner of the post.

I can't do that on my own first post in a thread, only later posts I make in a thread.

Minno

Fallen_Ray wrote: »

If you're on PS4, NA add Fallen_Ray-, You won't be getting kicked from my groups, no matter what lvl you are or how you play. If you need tips I'll help you out

And if you are on PC, NA, message/add Minno. I'll do the same.

My only requirement is that you try and listen.

Parafrost

Its not a matter of knowing mechanics. Its a matter of being a smart player. You do not need to look up videos on how to beat things. Experience it, learn from your mistakes, adapt. IF you can't do those simple things then idk what else to do. I shouldn't see people spamming 1 skill when there are 6 slots on each bar and for sorcs they get 3 slots(overload counts as its own slot). I get it we all were low levels at one point, but by the time you are atleast level 30 on any class you should get a basic understanding of your class since most of the good skills are level 30(dks bread and butter dps ability is at skill rank 30).

itehache

I really need to know how you got kicked from a public dungeon xD

My advice, get into a pve/social chill guild, you will run with friends who will not kick you and you'll have way more fun.

MissBizz

Pibbles wrote: »

SolarCat02 wrote: »

Pibbles wrote: »

chelsweyr wrote: »

alephthiago wrote: »

Dude is so bad that its being kicked from PUBLIC dungeons lol

I'm blaming that typo on the lack of edit feature. Boourns!

chelsweyr wrote: »

alephthiago wrote: »

Dude is so bad that its being kicked from PUBLIC dungeons lol

I'm blaming that typo on the lack of edit feature. Boourns!

For some odd reason you cannot edit your own first post in a thread. ESO has so many bugs they're infecting the forum now

You can, actually. Click the gear in the top right corner of the post.

I can't do that on my own first post in a thread, only later posts I make in a thread.

You can edit your post, the gear is just up by the title instead of the top right hand corner of your post box

Osteos

I can see both sides. Some just want to get it done. They don't want to train people or spend hours in a dungeon. I don't think that makes them elitist or bad people. Maybe they don't have a lot of time to play. Maybe they don't like dungeons and just want keys for gear. It doesn't really matter. Using group finder doesn't have a requirement that you have to suffer through a bad group for using it. I will admit cp level is a poor indication of skill.

I don't use group finder often. Call me an elitist meanie if you will My last experience 3 of my guild were on and we needed a dps. Used group finder and off we went. It didn't take long to notice that the dps used heavy lightning staff attacks until the health was low and then crit rushed.. backed up a few feet crit rush.. back up crit rush. Thankfully my friends are both excellent players so it wasn't an issue just amusing. Picking up 2 dps like that would make for a terrible experience.

That being said I have never kicked anyone from a group. I do expect you to know your class and play it well though.

SteveCampsOut

Peekachu99 wrote: »

P.S. I echo that the debuff timer shouldn't apply if you're kicked. No idea why that is still a thing.

The Debuff timer was implemented at the elitist whiner's request because people would join group and leave within 10 seconds of seeing group makeup. Now they're whining because they got what they wanted. You just can't fix stupid.

raglau

"MissBizz wrote: »

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You can edit your post, the gear is just up by the title instead of the top right hand corner of your post box

Oh god, you know how long I looked for that?!

Thank you

SteveCampsOut

Pibbles wrote: »

chelsweyr wrote: »

alephthiago wrote: »

Dude is so bad that its being kicked from PUBLIC dungeons lol

I'm blaming that typo on the lack of edit feature. Boourns!

chelsweyr wrote: »

alephthiago wrote: »

Dude is so bad that its being kicked from PUBLIC dungeons lol

I'm blaming that typo on the lack of edit feature. Boourns!

For some odd reason you cannot edit your own first post in a thread. ESO has so many bugs they're infecting the forum now

You can edit your first post, just look for the friggin gear icon! On the first post it's close to the thread title instead of the upper right corner where it is on every other post. It's there, it's just in a stupidly not obvious location. Blame THAT on the bad programming they use here.

Derra

Zypheran wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

You can just reverse this by saying: If you lack the knowledge/dps/cp/gear/whatever to complete a task don´t queue up for it in hope to get dragged along by other players. You can get a starter guild for learning mechanics and having build tips etc pp.

Both statements are equally wrong or right.


If a player gets kicked the majority of the grp wants him or her gone. That´s not a "some elitists" issue.

I see your point but I do not believe both views are the same. To suggest that a low level player shouldn't queue for vet dungeons, I believe, is somewhat more of an extreme view than to suggest that if you use group finder then you should accept that it may give you low level players. Also, I think its more reasonable to say that if you don't like the pug you got, then YOU leave. You used group finder, you rolled your dice and them's the chances But to kick a player for being low level is obviously very hurtful as evidenced in the OP's comments.
Yes I agree that some dungeons are not possible with low level players and I have been stuck for 2hrs in a dungeon that should have only taken 20mins, but I accept that low level players should be allowed to run them so that they can improve.
On the days when I really don't want to run with inexperienced players then I don't use the group finder. Or if I use group finder and think its not going to work out... I leave!
And no, I don't think you can learn it all by reading tactics online etc. Sometimes the only way to improve is to run the vet dungeons, get wiped , learn the tactics, and improve. I think by saying players shouldn't queue for vet content is denying them a part of the game which they paid for and have every right to expect to be able to attempt.

With that approach you would have three players leaving the grp - the result is the same. The lowlevel won´t finish the dungeon.

Like i´ve said. If you get kicked it was votekick which requires the rest of the grp to remove you. It´s not one person doing it.

UrQuan

Osteos wrote: »

I can see both sides. Some just want to get it done. They don't want to train people or spend hours in a dungeon. I don't think that makes them elitist or bad people. Maybe they don't have a lot of time to play. Maybe they don't like dungeons and just want keys for gear. It doesn't really matter. Using group finder doesn't have a requirement that you have to suffer through a bad group for using it. I will admit cp level is a poor indication of skill.

I'd say people who fall into those categories shouldn't be expecting to get to do the dungeon the way they want if they're using the group finder. If just getting it done fast is the most important thing to you - to the point that you'll kick low CP players instantly without even trying the dungeon, then you should just be grouping with friends and guildies. If you're not prepared to at least try to run a dungeon with whoever you randomly get grouped with, then you shouldn't be using the group finder. And just to be clear, when I say "you" I'm not referring to you @Osteos, I'm speaking in general terms.

Osteos wrote: »

I don't use group finder often. Call me an elitist meanie if you will

Nah, if you don't use the group finder often because you prefer to group with friends/guildies that doesn't make you an elitist meanie. The people who use group finder and automatically kick people below a certain amount of CPs: those are the elitist meanies. And in my experience the people who are most adamant about not wanting people who aren't at cap (or close to it) are the people who are most in need of other people to carry them.

Osteos wrote: »

My last experience 3 of my guild were on and we needed a dps. Used group finder and off we went. It didn't take long to notice that the dps used heavy lightning staff attacks until the health was low and then crit rushed.. backed up a few feet crit rush.. back up crit rush. Thankfully my friends are both excellent players so it wasn't an issue just amusing. Picking up 2 dps like that would make for a terrible experience.

lol that's, um, an interesting DPS rotation...

Osteos wrote: »

That being said I have never kicked anyone from a group. I do expect you to know your class and play it well though.

Which is totally fair. I don't object to people kicking someone from a group after they've started doing a dungeon and it's become clear that the person either can't or won't do their role. It's people who kick before the dungeon even starts who are the problem.

Taleof2Cities

We completed yesterday's vWGT PUG pledge with a CP235 damage dealer.

Never understood the whole idea of booting someone with low CP when the group forms ... before letting them at least show their skills in group on a couple of pledge bosses.

Gothren

chelsweyr wrote: »

Two vet, two public. I know that I'm low, but CP123ish isn't THAT low and shouldn't warrant the ol' boot out the door, especially for a public dungeon. It wouldn't grind my gears as much if the queue time wasn't 1+ hours and then pegged with the 15 minute penalty just to rub salt in the wound.

Whyyyy do you do that?! WHY!!!!!!! If you're one of those people who do that, I hope your plunder skulls are full of Sweet Sanguine Apples recipes.

It really sucked and my frustration forced me to do something I dislike doing... turning off the console and participating in real world activities. *shudders*

chelsweyr wrote: »

Two vet, two public. I know that I'm low, but CP123ish isn't THAT low and shouldn't warrant the ol' boot out the door, especially for a public dungeon. It wouldn't grind my gears as much if the queue time wasn't 1+ hours and then pegged with the 15 minute penalty just to rub salt in the wound.

Whyyyy do you do that?! WHY!!!!!!! If you're one of those people who do that, I hope your plunder skulls are full of Sweet Sanguine Apples recipes.

It really sucked and my frustration forced me to do something I dislike doing... turning off the console and participating in real world activities. *shudders*

zos must be smoking some funky stuff if they think a 15 min time limit penalty is useful.

Solus

chelsweyr wrote: »

Two vet, two public. I know that I'm low, but CP123ish isn't THAT low and shouldn't warrant the ol' boot out the door, especially for a public dungeon. It wouldn't grind my gears as much if the queue time wasn't 1+ hours and then pegged with the 15 minute penalty just to rub salt in the wound.

Whyyyy do you do that?! WHY!!!!!!! If you're one of those people who do that, I hope your plunder skulls are full of Sweet Sanguine Apples recipes.

It really sucked and my frustration forced me to do something I dislike doing... turning off the console and participating in real world activities. *shudders*

They just need to have queues that put like levels together and level to content to their average. That way the content is challenging but not impossible, and you get put with people that are your level.

Im fully built, 5 viper, 5 spriggan, i molag 1 veli CP 267 and still get booted from vet dungeons. My DPS is pretty darn good for my level and there isnt a dungeon i havent completed on vet. So its their loss, but i feel your pain

ewhite106b16_ESO

I think the root problem here is that the dungeon finder is allowing players to queue for content that someone of their level (who isn't an alt of a higher cp player for below 50s) has very little chance of completing and is probably going to wipe constantly. Below level 40ish players in particular are unlikely to have enough skill points to have basic skills + passives filled out and morphed, nevermind having the right ones + set gear and food/potions. There's also the issue that players who are still leveling to CP 150 and especially those below level 50 probably have several lower level gear pieces so they aren't getting the full benefit of stat scaling.

I'd suggest level requirements for grouping through dungeon finder based on dungeon difficulty, example:

Level 20 - Level requirement to queue for non-dlc normal mode dungeons with the I designation like Spindleclutch I
Level 40 - able to queue all non-dlc dungeons in normal mode
Level 50 - Can queue for all dungeons in normal mode
CP 160 - Can queue for veteran dungeons

Again, level requirements for dungeon finder are based around the average player with average gear, not exceptionally good/experienced MMO players or alts of experienced players. The above numbers could definitely use some tinkering, the point is not letting the average newer player queue up for content where they are very likely to wipe constantly and get kicked from group.

Myrrdinn2014

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

P.S. I echo that the debuff timer shouldn't apply if you're kicked. No idea why that is still a thing.

The Debuff timer was implemented at the elitist whiner's request because people would join group and leave within 10 seconds of seeing group makeup. Now they're whining because they got what they wanted. You just can't fix stupid.

Im perfectly fine with the debuff timer being use for someone quitting the group many games use that its the debuff timer you get from being kicked from a group thats just plain dumb as all hell.

MissBizz

Pibbles wrote: »

"MissBizz wrote: »

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You can edit your post, the gear is just up by the title instead of the top right hand corner of your post box

Oh god, you know how long I looked for that?!

Thank you

@Pibbles Random other forum tip. When looking at all the threads, and you see the Z beside it.. click the Z image and it takes you first to the Zos post in the thread. For long threads with multiple Z responses... look at one of their posts and you see that Z image on the right hand side.. click the < or > beside it and it skips the the previous/next Zos post in that thread.

Just in case you didn't know that one

N2woR

Aye story of my queue, I've given up on vet as I'm booted straight away for being cp 175 "/

MaKTaiL

I've played with players at 100cp that are much better than 500cp ones. It all comes down to gear sets and right skill combos. I never kicked anyone out of my group because of cp. I kick DPS that apply as tanks or healers just to get in a group faster. They annoy the hell out of me.

Doctordarkspawn

Blame the new scaling that now requires us to be eliteist.

More often then not sub 300 CP tend to suck in my experience so I've stopped queueing with them. We can no longer fudge it in dungeons anymore, so, there you go.

SolarCat02

N2woR wrote: »

Aye story of my queue, I've given up on vet as I'm booted straight away for being cp 175 "/

I hate reading things like this. If people know how to play, their level and CP don't matter. Speaking normal and veteran dungeons:

For healers, the higher CP only matters if the DPS are both glass cannon builds. Even in this case it's usually fine unless there are lots of AoEs in a tight space, or the boss has some an unavoidable high damage phase.

For tanks, CP matters even less. If you understand the mechanics, have at least one taunt (preferably both of course), a decent tanking set, and a reliable self heal for emergencies you can do well. One of my favorite dungeon runs was taking a CP80 tank through his first run of Veteran Fungal Grotto. He made some mistakes as he learned, but he recovered quickly and we all had a blast.

DPS, I am not so good playing damage dealers, so maybe it matters more there, I don't know? (In my opinion, it's the easiest role to do, but the hardest to do well). Someone else will have to weigh in on that. I do know that as long as you understand the dungeon mechanics, and people are good at dodging and such as needed, the DPS doesn't matter for (most) dungeons, although it will make them last much longer, which does increase the possibility of enough compounded mistakes to hit the "wipe" point where you can't recover. But I have nothing against a long fight if the team is fun.

Lukums1

Personally. I'd allow you in my group.

However not for the following dungeons WGT/ICP/Ruins/Cradle. Which I would of also booted you instantly.

123 CP you have to remember you don't have access to the (good gear) yet. Also...

Not saying you are! but if you're standing around light and heavy attacking only you would also receive a boot (from me).

Non the less it's a *** go I completely agree and feel bad for you, but yeah I wouldn't be queueing for the 4 dungeons I had mentioned above, however you have right to do all the others without being booted.


Agreed... ZOS should fix the issue when getting removed from group not to receive a penalty.

Luke

jaye63

booting people out because they are lower level is the reason I rarely group.

bellanca6561n

I too always go into public dungeons by myself and pick up allies along the way.

Even during this festival, which I will not comment on given that it's their first and I want to see others, I found two skells who readily allied with my mage Nightblade wearing her fancy dress. Made for an interesting looking group.

The larger issue is the tone of the game given the sheer diversity of multiplayer offerings which are far, far more so than they were when ESO launched.

It's good for the game but I avoid pick up groups - not because too many of the players are selfish and such. Rather I cannot expect my preferred play style to be popular among many of those players.

What I enjoy the most about group play are the people. And if that means we'll pretty much have to make a night of it, that's fine with me. Some of the best memories I will take with me from ESO are the conversations that took place among folks with very high tolerances for frustration who respond to failure with humor.

Never expect that, though

rusila22

Well as a high level healer i vote kick if :

- a guy queued as a tank then change to dps without saying anything and making the group wipe.
- i ask to people to eat HP food because they have low Hp like 12-14 and they die often and so they didn't listen to me or another guy.
- if people don't listen tacts about trash or boss, it's really a waste of time.
- some guys are wasting their ultimate on useless trash.

Another info , i don't care about your CP in VET normal. But in VET hardmode i'll always look at your CP and if 2 guys have under 200 CP i'll leave the group.

But don't worry guys i don't often vote to kick a guy so maybe cya IG

LadyLethalla

The PUG I got last night, there was a CP30 who barely participated in the fight... I think he was the healer. Not sure. At any rate, he hung back far enough that his health bar was dim, and only came to the last boss when two of us were dead. Then he died as well. Glad to say the tank prevailed. But... there was never a vote to kick even though this guy was as useless as an ashtray on a motorbike.

I do wish they would implement some kind of tiered grouping mechanic for lowbies. I'd love my low level toons to participate in the group finder with other lowbies since I know they'd get kicked by the higher level players.

GeneralPardon

LadyLethalla wrote: »

The PUG I got last night, there was a CP30 who barely participated in the fight... I think he was the healer. Not sure. At any rate, he hung back far enough that his health bar was dim, and only came to the last boss when two of us were dead. Then he died as well. Glad to say the tank prevailed. But... there was never a vote to kick even though this guy was as useless as an ashtray on a motorbike.

I do wish they would implement some kind of tiered grouping mechanic for lowbies. I'd love my low level toons to participate in the group finder with other lowbies since I know they'd get kicked by the higher level players.

I don't think this will resolve the issue of people getting kicked, the underlying problem is that some people want to be carried through anything or cannot adapt to situations that are not ideal. That is something what needs resolving or being handled. I'm sorry OP but take your 15 minute loss and leave groups where they start moaning about your CP, those people are not worth your time. You will find people that have the patience to help you through soon!

chelsweyr

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Pibbles wrote: »

chelsweyr wrote: »

alephthiago wrote: »

Dude is so bad that its being kicked from PUBLIC dungeons lol

I'm blaming that typo on the lack of edit feature. Boourns!

chelsweyr wrote: »

alephthiago wrote: »

Dude is so bad that its being kicked from PUBLIC dungeons lol

I'm blaming that typo on the lack of edit feature. Boourns!

For some odd reason you cannot edit your own first post in a thread. ESO has so many bugs they're infecting the forum now

You can edit your first post, just look for the friggin gear icon! On the first post it's close to the thread title instead of the upper right corner where it is on every other post. It's there, it's just in a stupidly not obvious location. Blame THAT on the bad programming they use here.

You guuuuuuys! Lifesavers! It was getting on my nerves despite acknowledging I bunged it up hahaha

chelsweyr

GeneralPardon wrote: »

LadyLethalla wrote: »

The PUG I got last night, there was a CP30 who barely participated in the fight... I think he was the healer. Not sure. At any rate, he hung back far enough that his health bar was dim, and only came to the last boss when two of us were dead. Then he died as well. Glad to say the tank prevailed. But... there was never a vote to kick even though this guy was as useless as an ashtray on a motorbike.

I do wish they would implement some kind of tiered grouping mechanic for lowbies. I'd love my low level toons to participate in the group finder with other lowbies since I know they'd get kicked by the higher level players.

I don't think this will resolve the issue of people getting kicked, the underlying problem is that some people want to be carried through anything or cannot adapt to situations that are not ideal. That is something what needs resolving or being handled. I'm sorry OP but take your 15 minute loss and leave groups where they start moaning about your CP, those people are not worth your time. You will find people that have the patience to help you through soon!

Yeah, for every boot I get I do like 5 dungeon runs so it's not too bad! I help out anyone with lowCP to run through who is asking in the chat. I don't think I've ever spent longer than 40 minutes (because our healer lied and wasn't a healer lol) in a dungeon so not sure what people's issues are when they say "I don't want to spend hours" - like if something goes longer than an hour I will probably leave. I most likely have my toddler waking up from their nap at that point lol

chelsweyr

Minno wrote: »

Fallen_Ray wrote: »

If you're on PS4, NA add Fallen_Ray-, You won't be getting kicked from my groups, no matter what lvl you are or how you play. If you need tips I'll help you out

And if you are on PC, NA, message/add Minno. I'll do the same.

My only requirement is that you try and listen.

PS4 NA for me - but thank you for offering