How come vet vma weapons cant be sold in guild stores yet?

SlayerTheDragon

DPShiro wrote: »

Because you need to earn them.
Also I wish much more stuff was earned via arenas such as VMA as it makes you a much better player after learning it.

Earning a Weapon and an Title is one thing. Running VMA hundreds of times to get a staff in the holy two traits is only bad game design, nothing else.

jakeedmundson

DPShiro wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

Because you need to earn them.
Also I wish much more stuff was earned via arenas such as VMA as it makes you a much better player after learning it.

Strange how we earned the gold that we got. Why aren't we allowed to use our hard earned gold to purchase useful items in guild stores?

Because if you can't even beat VMA, then those weapons have no use to you anyway, other than looking shiny.
Also gold? LOL!
Somebody who gets lucky and sells several Halloween masks clearly has earned the end game weapons that are often BiS the hard way?

If ZoS was kind enough to finally let players sell vMA weapons in guild stores... I'm pretty sure that the price of them will be extremely high. Do you think players will *** away all of that gold for nothing? To have a shiny weapon just to impress other players? We have reasons for these weapons. Some of us are trial players. Unfortunately we require such weapon to further advance our DPS... especially in veteran trials.

My point still stands;
If you can't even beat VMA then you probably will have enough use for these weapons anyway. Since you probably don't know a proper rotation etc to actually use them correctly.
And if you truly are at the point in Veteran Trials that you can't progress or polish your play style anymore, then VMA would also be a cake walk for you.

Having VMA weapons don't magically make you a good player, training, practicing and learning mechanics and how to adapt to your surroundings do.

I'm a trial player too, and do at least one Veteran Hard Mode a day, and I would never want to play with someone who cant beat VMA in a HM Trial, since you probably would just put our team at risk and would have to be carried.

Completing vMA literally has nothing to do with any other aspect of this game. How can anyone even try to relate those things....
No the weapons don't MAKE you a better player but they give you the potential to be better.

P.S. I do vet trials all the time too but with no mal weapons... and i'm rarely dead from my own mistakes. vMA didn't teach me how to learn vAA mechanics. vMA also didn't teach me my proper rotation... I practiced in other dungeons and used the bloodspawn test...

That said, I agree these things shouldn't be easy to get... but they need to change somehow... running this horrible place 100s of times to get a sharpened lightning or flame staff isn't on my to-do list. Make a token system... allow that token to be traded in for a weapon of choice with random trait. I'll run it all day long then... at least there would be some hope of getting the item you're after.

jakeedmundson

SlayerTheDragon wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

Because you need to earn them.
Also I wish much more stuff was earned via arenas such as VMA as it makes you a much better player after learning it.

Earning a Weapon and an Title is one thing. Running VMA hundreds of times to get a staff in the holy two traits is only bad game design, nothing else.

This... exactly this. please change something here zos

Eldorhaan

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Damn I'd have billions if we could sell vMA weapons. Like literally, when you look at the amount of sharpened weapons I have in triple you can expect to be rich.

Wrong, please see the market rules, offer and demand... This is why if the stuff was BOE the drope rate should decrease to 1% or even less to stay interesting to sell.

Malmai

X3ina wrote: »

You want p2w to be added in this game ?

P2W is when u buy stuff with real money but maybe soon in crown store.

xboxone1Q

This is why they need to be sold in guild stores, elite players saying no to the 97% player base that can't even beat it one time. Self entitlement is a problem on here. Let me ask you this, does it really matter if someone buys those weapons for their own character? How does it effect YOU if someone buys it for their OWN character? It doesn't, just self entitled elitist out here on the forums.

Lukums1

DPShiro wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

raidentenshu_ESO wrote: »

DPShiro wrote: »

Because you need to earn them.
Also I wish much more stuff was earned via arenas such as VMA as it makes you a much better player after learning it.

My point still stands;
If you can't even beat VMA then you probably will have enough use for these weapons anyway. Since you probably don't know a proper rotation etc to actually use them correctly.
And if you truly are at the point in Veteran Trials that you can't progress or polish your play style anymore, then VMA would also be a cake walk for you.

Having VMA weapons don't magically make you a good player, training, practicing and learning mechanics and how to adapt to your surroundings do.

I'm a trial player too, and do at least one Veteran Hard Mode a day, and I would never want to play with someone who cant beat VMA in a HM Trial, since you probably would just put our team at risk and would have to be carried.

Omg... this guy can you be my friend?

What people don't understand vma is meant to be learnt and you then are rewarded.

I myself have all weapons with sharpen,power,pricise I now just do it for fun... or when I'm bored.

I think people need to "git gud" before they make stupid posts about how maelstrom weapons need to be BOE LOL.

Elara_Northwind

It took me sooooo long to finally finish vma, I would actually be annoyed if those weapons could suddenly just be bought tbh, after the time, effort and gold it took me to complete it the first time

Lord_Eomer

DPShiro wrote: »

Because you need to earn them.
Also I wish much more stuff was earned via arenas such as VMA as it makes you a much better player after learning it.

Too much of this earning crap now, its MMO not single player..

Enough with VMSA for me, i am never gonna get wanted triat and instead good for me to buy..

Mojmir

what's funny is I see more storm proofs die in trials than anyone else, of course "it's the games fault".

DocFrost72

Nidro wrote: »

Some things in this game should not be buyable.

i really like the new changes they made to all kinda Sets that drop all around the world.

Bind on Pickup. Awesome!!

So all those casuals will actually have to farm things and not just go to guild stores.

If you could sell vMA weapons I'd be probably very rich in a very short time, but these things gotta be earned!!

everybody who wants them have to do their first run with wiping hundreds of times.

***Only those who decide to actually learn game mechanics and understand them and understand their OWN CHARACTER
should be worthy to hold these weapons.***

Its already a mess that People offering a run on somebody else's account for 200k Gold lol.

I see so many People going into vet Trials without even knowing basic combat mechanincs of their own characters.

There are NORMAL MODES for you guys.

Veteran is for People who actually know what they're doing.

Clearly a l2p issue imo.

Also this weapons should and will NEVER be available on normal.

Just learn to play the game.
If you dont want to, just go do quests, play normal dungeons or probably best what you could do is go fishing!!

Yours Nidro~~

That awkward moment when you assert self worth and hard work into a video game.

Izaki

Mojmir wrote: »

what's funny is I see more storm proofs die in trials than anyone else, of course "it's the games fault".

Some people actually pay others to run vMA for them... Another more likely reason for that is that If they only have stormproof and not Mageslayer or Ophidian Overlord probably means that they haven't done the trial yet, so they are new to the mechanics.

Izaki

Eldorhaan wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Damn I'd have billions if we could sell vMA weapons. Like literally, when you look at the amount of sharpened weapons I have in triple you can expect to be rich.

Wrong, please see the market rules, offer and demand... This is why if the stuff was BOE the drope rate should decrease to 1% or even less to stay interesting to sell.

@Eldorhaan Oh don't worry about my knowledge of market rules, I used to eat that *** everyday at uni. So tell me, how am I wrong here? My offer is here. The demand is also here. Thing is there's obviously we must consider the rarity of the item, which makes the offered quantity pretty small. The demand for the weapons will be pretty high as they are firstly locked behind hard content and secondly because the drop tables are diluted. What happens? Inflation. The offer can't meet the demand so prices go up... But I'm not going to draw you a graph of all this as I'm pretty sure you already have a picture in your head of what this should look like. So where is my mistake? Its a pretty basic situation here, the one you learn back in high school.

You're assuming that the sharpened trait isn't rare. But it is, and I'm simply lucky enough to have gotten this many weapons in this particular trait, most people aren't this lucky. And I for a fact ain't too lucky either as I only ever got 2 destruction staves, but I'm swimming in daggers and axes. Do your probability maths here. 8 Traits and 12 weapons. Most people would be lucky enough to get 1 weapon for 1 character in the perfect trait and still not everyone has. I still haven't found the 1 weapon I want the most for my main character.

keoma01

I would have to waste way too much time to do PvE if i wanted to be competitive in PvP but what is the point of doing PvP if you cant fight on equal ground? It is a tremendous amount of time what you have to spend with work (WORK, lol working in a game what you have bought for having fun...) in terrible, pathetic zones like white-gold tower or maelstrom arena...
Cyrodil is the only part of the game what i am interested in and i just dont understand why i am forced to do something what i dont want to.

BabylonRocker

Trublz wrote: »

So sick of these threads.
L2P or GTFO

Thats a very narrowminded POV, for the most ppl that dont do VMA its more of an issue of time and/or having todo Content they dont enjoy, and if those ppl enjoy other Content in their spare time that makes them rich, then i dont see any Problem letting them buy all the VMA bling they can afford, and the VMA farmers would be happy too i take it.

Same goes for every other gear, every Chance this game had to get a somewhat healthy economy went to hell, especially after ZOS locked almost most of the Endgame gear behind a contentwall with ridiculous RNG. (not even talking of the stupidity of Trading Guilds and an omgwtf shitinterface of a guildstore browser)

So, for a lot of ppl its one of 2 choices, get left behind in the powercreep or do Content they really dont enjoy.

zuto40

I just want a PvP version of master and Maelstrom weapons

DocFrost72

Look, I don't know if I want them on the guild store or not, but let's not use the "earn them" angle.

1) It's a game. Let's all chill and have fun regardless of how you feel.

2) What someone else equips has no bearing on you. If a scrub picks up a maelstrom weapon and kills you in PvP, I have faith you can guess what you are.

3) "Earning it" is a real world concept, not a video game requirement.

4) The weapon isn't even impressive anymore because of paid carries. The more impressive thing is performance.

5) It's not a sense of entitlement to want to grind the *** out of the game to get a weapon that does something cool.

6) "I suffered so you must" is a logical fallacy that perpetuates suffering.

No matter what side of the argument you're on, we can have a discussion without trading "L2P" type remarks, please.

ArchMikem

Reeks of Elitism in here..someone get the Febreeze.

Gothren

ZOS should expand the welfare system in this game. free stuff for all. lets also redistribute the gold so that the ESO poor can have better economic opportunities. In addition, we need to reorganize the grouping system so that bad players can stop being kicked from well organized groups. The No Player Left Behind Act can help address these problems.

Moglijuana

No.

Izaki

BabylonRocker wrote: »

Trublz wrote: »

So sick of these threads.
L2P or GTFO

Thats a very narrowminded POV, for the most ppl that dont do VMA its more of an issue of time and/or having todo Content they dont enjoy, and if those ppl enjoy other Content in their spare time that makes them rich, then i dont see any Problem letting them buy all the VMA bling they can afford, and the VMA farmers would be happy too i take it.

Same goes for every other gear, every Chance this game had to get a somewhat healthy economy went to hell, especially after ZOS locked almost most of the Endgame gear behind a contentwall with ridiculous RNG. (not even talking of the stupidity of Trading Guilds and an omgwtf shitinterface of a guildstore browser)

So, for a lot of ppl its one of 2 choices, get left behind in the powercreep or do Content they really dont enjoy.

Thing is, if you carry a vMA weapon it doesn't make you stronger. If you have done vMA, you'll be better at the game (you may disagree as much as you want, but its the case). So essentially just having vMA weapons will not get you to the needed level for trials for example. Having these weapons won't make you an insta-demi god who can pull 50k DPS or you can wipe half a zerg by himself. So really, the players who bought the vMA weapons would just be wasting their gold.

DocFrost72

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

BabylonRocker wrote: »

Trublz wrote: »

So sick of these threads.
L2P or GTFO

Thats a very narrowminded POV, for the most ppl that dont do VMA its more of an issue of time and/or having todo Content they dont enjoy, and if those ppl enjoy other Content in their spare time that makes them rich, then i dont see any Problem letting them buy all the VMA bling they can afford, and the VMA farmers would be happy too i take it.

Same goes for every other gear, every Chance this game had to get a somewhat healthy economy went to hell, especially after ZOS locked almost most of the Endgame gear behind a contentwall with ridiculous RNG. (not even talking of the stupidity of Trading Guilds and an omgwtf shitinterface of a guildstore browser)

So, for a lot of ppl its one of 2 choices, get left behind in the powercreep or do Content they really dont enjoy.

Thing is, if you carry a vMA weapon it doesn't make you stronger. If you have done vMA, you'll be better at the game (you may disagree as much as you want, but its the case). So essentially just having vMA weapons will not get you to the needed level for trials for example. Having these weapons won't make you an insta-demi god who can pull 50k DPS or you can wipe half a zerg by himself. So really, the players who bought the vMA weapons would just be wasting their gold.

Bingo. That said, how does it affect someone like me who has run it and taken the time? Still on the fence.

jakeedmundson

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Thing is, if you carry a vMA weapon it doesn't make you stronger. If you have done vMA, you'll be better at the game (you may disagree as much as you want, but its the case). So essentially just having vMA weapons will not get you to the needed level for trials for example. Having these weapons won't make you an insta-demi god who can pull 50k DPS or you can wipe half a zerg by himself. So really, the players who bought the vMA weapons would just be wasting their gold.[/quote]

That isn't even remotely true.... you're saying you can't be good at eso unless you farm vMA until your eyes bleed?
I do vet trials every week with no BiS mal weapons. I have good dps and i rarely die... and i'm not going to waste my life farming for good traited weapons that won't drop.

You can EASILY learn rotations and how to have a good offense/defense mix without beating vMA once. This ridiculous idea that people keep throwing out there is 100% meaningless... its just an excuse to try and help your case because you were lucky enough to FIND the weapons you wanted.

I'm all for making them sell-able, trade-able, or at the least change the traits that drop and/or implement a token system.

CultOfMMO

I like how all the supposedly self proclaimed "casual players" like to dismiss the idea of earning it, and the argument is that its just a game it is supposed to be fun and relaxing and earning things is only for real life.

well explain to me how the gameplay changes once you have vMA weapons. Its the same old skills you're spamming, its the same old mechanics, only difference is the numbers popping up are now higher. If you are genuinely concerned about dishing out damage, you're not a casual player, period.

There are legitimate casual players out there playing this like a single player game with ppl to chat with on occasion and they dont give a rats ass about vMA. But you clearly do, and you clearly dont want to put in the effort. It's like your dying wish is to be one of the elitists yourself, except you cannot for the life of you l2p

jakeedmundson

CultOfMMO wrote: »

I like how all the supposedly self proclaimed "casual players" like to dismiss the idea of earning it, and the argument is that its just a game it is supposed to be fun and relaxing and earning things is only for real life.

well explain to me how the gameplay changes once you have vMA weapons. Its the same old skills you're spamming, its the same old mechanics, only difference is the numbers popping up are now higher. If you are genuinely concerned about dishing out damage, you're not a casual player, period.

There are legitimate casual players out there playing this like a single player game with ppl to chat with on occasion and they dont give a rats ass about vMA. But you clearly do, and you clearly dont want to put in the effort. It's like your dying wish is to be one of the elitists yourself, except you cannot for the life of you l2p

I think for many of us its not about "earning" something... its the concept of complete randomness with a huge item pool. Never getting the right weapon and/or the right trait... run after run... after run.

CultOfMMO

jakeedmundson wrote: »

CultOfMMO wrote: »

I like how all the supposedly self proclaimed "casual players" like to dismiss the idea of earning it, and the argument is that its just a game it is supposed to be fun and relaxing and earning things is only for real life.

well explain to me how the gameplay changes once you have vMA weapons. Its the same old skills you're spamming, its the same old mechanics, only difference is the numbers popping up are now higher. If you are genuinely concerned about dishing out damage, you're not a casual player, period.

There are legitimate casual players out there playing this like a single player game with ppl to chat with on occasion and they dont give a rats ass about vMA. But you clearly do, and you clearly dont want to put in the effort. It's like your dying wish is to be one of the elitists yourself, except you cannot for the life of you l2p

I think for many of us its not about "earning" something... its the concept of complete randomness with a huge item pool. Never getting the right weapon and/or the right trait... run after run... after run.

yes that, absolutely that, im in 100% agreement with you. That is the only legitimate complaint about vMA, aside from that, it is beautifully designed and a true masterpiece.

However!!!!! Whatever ZOS does to address that issue, making the weapons sell-able is THE WORST possible thing they can do.

in fact my bank is clogged with vMA weapons and even stored in dummy toons, just in case ZOS decides on a token or decon fragment system. That, in my mind, is the best option. Plenty of good options im sure, just please not selling.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN

Never. I still haven't beat vMA and I would rage more at the fact that you can buy them than I rage at vMA. Just get the right build and you can beat it and practice makes it easier. I was struggling on stage 4 for months and after 1T came out I farmed for gear to make my build better and went back to stage 4 last night and beat it in 3 tries. Just shows that with enough time and the right build anyone can beat it. If people keep taking the easy way out then they will never "git gud" or "L2P"

Artis

xboxone1Q wrote: »

This is why they need to be sold in guild stores, elite players saying no to the 97% player base that can't even beat it one time. Self entitlement is a problem on here. Let me ask you this, does it really matter if someone buys those weapons for their own character? How does it effect YOU if someone buys it for their OWN character? It doesn't, just self entitled elitist out here on the forums.

Are you serious? It's an MMO game, you play against other players all the time. That's how it affects me - I'll have to compete with those players in PvP and for spots in PvE groups. They might farm faster than they should do since will get undaunted plunder faster and stuff, and it will also suck to pay new prices in the guild stores.

It also makes my own achievement less meaningful since somebody can just buy a weapon I had to apply all my skill and invest hours of time and thousands of gold in repairs and pots to earn. Not only it affects me by increasing competition, but it's also unfair since it devalues my time and effort.

And let's not forget that you don't *need* vma weps to complete content and/or to have good scores/passable DPS. If anything, the internet connection/ping and fps affect your dps way more

alexkdd99

Nidro wrote: »

Also this weapons should and will NEVER be available on normal.

I didn't know you decided what went on in this game. Are you the lead developer or something? If not I don't know how you can say what will or will not happen.

Ghost-Shot

I'd totally drop a couple million on a 2H and a fire staff to never have to look at that place again, it will forever annoy me that the BiS items for group raids and PvP are locked behind a solo instance and the most disgusting RNG system I've ever seen in an MMO. Legion legendaries in WoW are less cancerous than VMA weapons, that is a problem.