Leave incap alone. It's fine the way it is.

SilentBoomstick

Okay so in the dark brotherhood update to now I have seen a lot (and I do mean a lot) of crybabies that want to nerf incap. They most likely have never played the nightblade class before and probably fail to realize that the class has absolutely no defensive abilities but a ton of offensive abilities. They die very quickly if out in the open for too long. I seriously don't understand how they can nerf the playstyle of a class and then call that balance. I don't want incap to cost 100 ultimate or reduce anything that it does. Yeah it hits like a truck and reduces healing plus it also increases damage done to them but other than that there are no defensive abilities. Go watch Jules's streams. I kept telling her to be a ganker but she would not listen, then she kept dying on her nightblade, and then she wants them to nerf incap. It's quite pitiful and all I can say is L2P.

Waffennacht

I don't see how defense matters at all when your opponent is dead in 3 seconds.

Lexxypwns

Nightblade has no defensive abilities? You couldn't be more wrong.

Nightblade defense is generated from being offensive and keeping pressure up on the opponent while using cloak/dodge to relieve and counter pressure the opponent tries to apply

CapuchinSeven

SilentBoomstick wrote: »

Okay so in the dark brotherhood update to now I have seen a lot (and I do mean a lot) of crybabies that want to nerf incap. They most likely have never played the nightblade class before and probably fail to realize that the class has absolutely no defensive abilities but a ton of offensive abilities. They die very quickly if out in the open for too long. I seriously don't understand how they can nerf the playstyle of a class and then call that balance. I don't want incap to cost 100 ultimate or reduce anything that it does. Yeah it hits like a truck and reduces healing plus it also increases damage done to them but other than that there are no defensive abilities. Go watch Jules's streams. I kept telling her to be a ganker but she would not listen, then she kept dying on her nightblade, and then she wants them to nerf incap. It's quite pitiful and all I can say is L2P.

Dude please, some of us play magic and stamina Nightblades, don't insult our intelligence, okay? Just don't.

Metemsycosis

This. ^

I think the threat of being cut in half by a burst that will be ready again in a matter of seconds is pretty good defense. Stamina nb has cloak vigor rally potion not to mention shade not to mention fear not to mention even mirage if one were so inclined.

Hard to take damage when your opponent is dodge rolling or heal/shield spamming.

SilentBoomstick

Waffennacht wrote: »

I don't see how defense matters at all when your opponent is dead in 3 seconds.

That's my point. Nightblades character role is burst, and it is a hell of a burst but people want to nerf it.

Jaronking

The only thing wrong with incap is that the stun lands before the attack lands or hit you through dodge roll fox that and it will be fine

SilentBoomstick

You guys are missing the point. We are the squishiest class in this game despite the fact that we have vigor, rally and cloak. I like the nightblades and the original point of this thread is the fact that people want to nerf our offensive abilities. Offensive abilities is what keeps us alive and it is fun being able to kill someone in under 3 seconds. Do not misunderstand me. There is a form right now that is complaining about nerfing incap. I don't want it nerfed.

SilentBoomstick

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Nightblade has no defensive abilities? You couldn't be more wrong.

Nightblade defense is generated from being offensive and keeping pressure up on the opponent while using cloak/dodge to relieve and counter pressure the opponent tries to apply

I don't know if you realize what "defensive abilities" are. I am referring to things like shield stacking or the infinite cloak of a magicka nightblade, or the infinite heals of a templar. Those are defensive abilities. There is a fine line between killing someone quickly and protecting yourself from other players.

Sigtric

While I am of the mind that Incap should be left alone due to it being an ultimate that does not have a guarantee to hit anything, saying no defensive skills is just false.

Blur
Consuming Darkness Ult
Shadow Cloak

To name some that are overtly defensive in nature, not to mention some of the CC stuff. Impeding enemy movement is a defensive move.

Edit to add:

SilentBoomstick wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Nightblade has no defensive abilities? You couldn't be more wrong.

Nightblade defense is generated from being offensive and keeping pressure up on the opponent while using cloak/dodge to relieve and counter pressure the opponent tries to apply

I don't know if you realize what "defensive abilities" are. I am referring to things like shield stacking or the infinite cloak of a magicka nightblade, or the infinite heals of a templar. Those are defensive abilities. There is a fine line between killing someone quickly and protecting yourself from other players.

Well if healing counts too, there are some NB skills that heal.
In one of my builds my backbar is full of things that make him harder to kill, and a few main components of that are NB specific skills.

yodased

So you enjoy being able to kill the massive majority of players without them being able to react to you and want that to stay, so you make up things about a class lacking defense.

Got it.

It may be fun on the killing side, but no one is having fun on the "learn to play against instadeath" side.

No amount of gitgud is defending against a cancerbuild NB.

Luigi_Vampa

You have defense!

SilentBoomstick

yodased wrote: »

So you enjoy being able to kill the massive majority of players without them being able to react to you and want that to stay, so you make up things about a class lacking defense.

Got it.

It may be fun on the killing side, but no one is having fun on the "learn to play against instadeath" side.

No amount of gitgud is defending against a cancerbuild NB.

Does it even matter? Everyone is wearing heavy armor anyways in this update. Now I do not have a problem with that because I pulverize them with my sharpened maul and cp into piercing lol but you can't just nerf the main playstyle of a class. I understand completely how annoying it is being killed in 3 seconds because I receive hate mail all the time.

But what are you going to do about it? Lol

SilentBoomstick

Typhoios wrote: »

You have defense!

No. Just no. All of the good nightblades do not dodge roll at all because it messes up your stamina.

The best thing you can do for "defense" is to go complete VMA on Flawless Conqueror. Then you can walk around with a slightly weaker build and pulverize 15 players by yourself (Let_Me_Work)

CamBam370

Lol you are so wrong

SilentBoomstick

CamBam370 wrote: »

Lol you are so wrong

How so?

Minalan

Please don't nerf my two button instant death proc set kills. It would make me sad to learn how to use three or... heaven forbid FOUR buttons just to gank someone.

SilentBoomstick

Minalan wrote: »

Please don't nerf my two button instant death proc set kills. It would make me sad to learn how to use three or... heaven forbid FOUR buttons just to gank someone.

You are missing the point. Nerfs have done no good for this game. It is not okay to nerf something and then call it balance. For these crybabies that want it to be nerfed they shouldn't be asking for nerfs and instead they should be asking for buffs to various abilities. I very seriously doubt that nerfing this ability would stop me from ganking players but if I can't kill someone within 3 seconds and then disappear I have a 30 man zerg right in front of me.

Minalan

SilentBoomstick wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Please don't nerf my two button instant death proc set kills. It would make me sad to learn how to use three or... heaven forbid FOUR buttons just to gank someone.

You are missing the point. Nerfs have done no good for this game. It is not okay to nerf something and then call it balance. For these crybabies that want it to be nerfed they shouldn't be asking for nerfs and instead they should be asking for buffs to various abilities. I very seriously doubt that nerfing this ability would stop me from ganking players but if I can't kill someone within 3 seconds and then disappear I have a 30 man zerg right in front of me.

You are missing the point. [One shot kills] have done no good for this game. It's not okay to [kill someone instantly before they can respond] and then call it balance. For these crybabies they want [to kill everyone with one button and no skill] and instead they should be asking for [balanced abilities that require more skill and allow another player to respond].... blah blah

See how that works?

Pandorii

Putting in my comment before reading the OP's thread: This is going to be a /sarcasm thread actually asking for an incap neft. Let's see if I'm right...

Edit: I was wrong. The OP was actually serious... >.>

WillhelmBlack

Lol

SilentBoomstick

Pandorii wrote: »

Putting in my comment before reading the OP's thread: This is going to be a /sarcasm thread actually asking for an incap neft. Let's see if I'm right...

Edit: I was wrong. The OP was actually serious... >.>

This is my second forum on incap. The first one is saying that it needs to do 100k and have an aoe of 20 meter radius.

This is my second one. It doesn't need to be nerfed. I'll tell you how difficult it is solo playing with 30 man ep zergs nearby. If they nerf incap then they better add more small scale battles for pvp. I have 4 other characters (5 total) and I refuse to solo with them simply because I can't actually take on 30 players at a time.

SilentBoomstick

SilentBoomstick wrote: »

Pandorii wrote: »

Putting in my comment before reading the OP's thread: This is going to be a /sarcasm thread actually asking for an incap neft. Let's see if I'm right...

Edit: I was wrong. The OP was actually serious... >.>

This is my second forum on incap. The first one is saying that it needs to do 100k and have an aoe of 20 meter radius.

This is my second one. It doesn't need to be nerfed. I'll tell you how difficult it is solo playing with 30 man ep zergs nearby. If they nerf incap then they better add more small scale battles for pvp. I have 4 other characters (5 total) and I refuse to solo with them simply because I can't actually take on 30 players at a time.

The first forum is a troll forum for the crybabies and people somehow misunderstood the OP of the post. I don't know why but for some reason they thought I was asking for a nerf sarcastically.

Go ahead and destroy the class so I can stop playing this game.

Luigi_Vampa

SilentBoomstick wrote: »

SilentBoomstick wrote: »

Pandorii wrote: »

Putting in my comment before reading the OP's thread: This is going to be a /sarcasm thread actually asking for an incap neft. Let's see if I'm right...

Edit: I was wrong. The OP was actually serious... >.>

This is my second forum on incap. The first one is saying that it needs to do 100k and have an aoe of 20 meter radius.

This is my second one. It doesn't need to be nerfed. I'll tell you how difficult it is solo playing with 30 man ep zergs nearby. If they nerf incap then they better add more small scale battles for pvp. I have 4 other characters (5 total) and I refuse to solo with them simply because I can't actually take on 30 players at a time.

The first forum is a troll forum for the crybabies and people somehow misunderstood the OP of the post. I don't know why but for some reason they thought I was asking for a nerf sarcastically.

Go ahead and destroy the class so I can stop playing this game.

You talking to yourself?

SilentBoomstick

Typhoios wrote: »

SilentBoomstick wrote: »

SilentBoomstick wrote: »

Pandorii wrote: »

Putting in my comment before reading the OP's thread: This is going to be a /sarcasm thread actually asking for an incap neft. Let's see if I'm right...

Edit: I was wrong. The OP was actually serious... >.>

This is my second forum on incap. The first one is saying that it needs to do 100k and have an aoe of 20 meter radius.

This is my second one. It doesn't need to be nerfed. I'll tell you how difficult it is solo playing with 30 man ep zergs nearby. If they nerf incap then they better add more small scale battles for pvp. I have 4 other characters (5 total) and I refuse to solo with them simply because I can't actually take on 30 players at a time.

The first forum is a troll forum for the crybabies and people somehow misunderstood the OP of the post. I don't know why but for some reason they thought I was asking for a nerf sarcastically.

Go ahead and destroy the class so I can stop playing this game.

You talking to yourself?

I don't know how I can talk on a computer. Doesn't make much sense at all what you just said.

Luigi_Vampa

SilentBoomstick wrote: »

Typhoios wrote: »

SilentBoomstick wrote: »

SilentBoomstick wrote: »

Pandorii wrote: »

Putting in my comment before reading the OP's thread: This is going to be a /sarcasm thread actually asking for an incap neft. Let's see if I'm right...

Edit: I was wrong. The OP was actually serious... >.>

This is my second forum on incap. The first one is saying that it needs to do 100k and have an aoe of 20 meter radius.

This is my second one. It doesn't need to be nerfed. I'll tell you how difficult it is solo playing with 30 man ep zergs nearby. If they nerf incap then they better add more small scale battles for pvp. I have 4 other characters (5 total) and I refuse to solo with them simply because I can't actually take on 30 players at a time.

The first forum is a troll forum for the crybabies and people somehow misunderstood the OP of the post. I don't know why but for some reason they thought I was asking for a nerf sarcastically.

Go ahead and destroy the class so I can stop playing this game.

You talking to yourself?

I don't know how I can talk on a computer. Doesn't make much sense at all what you just said.

You quoted yourself. Just a joke. Don't be so literal.

You typing to yourself? Is that better?

yodased

So.... can i have your stuff?

acw37162

Cloak
Fear
A fear trap
AoE Ultimate stun and damage
AoE Ultimate with massive damage mitigation
Major evasion in a class skill
Major expidiion in a class skill
A damage ability that is a heal over time
A pet ability that gives minor maim and provides teleport
Almost every skill in the toolkit slows or stuns
A DOT that gives major expidition
Christ I know I'm missing something to...

The only defensive ability a N/B does not posses is a shield.

Incap deserves a nerf a regardless of if you like it or not. The stub should be removed and the ultimate cost raised or reduce N/B ability to ulti regen with uncap slotted at 50 ultimate it should come standard with minor cowardice.

PS: As a side not calling others crybabies to go in your own tear stained tear is poor form even for a NB.

thankyourat

The stun needs to go. it's better than Jesus beam in Xv1 situations it's so annoying. It also locks you in place sometimes and hits through dodge roll. What needs a nerf is DBoS though, but that's for a different discussion

BruhItsOver9000

Incap will never get nerfed, everyone here needs to L2P, nerfs don't achieve balance, buffs do.

Sigtric

SilentBoomstick wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Nightblade has no defensive abilities? You couldn't be more wrong.

Nightblade defense is generated from being offensive and keeping pressure up on the opponent while using cloak/dodge to relieve and counter pressure the opponent tries to apply

I don't know if you realize what "defensive abilities" are. I am referring to things like shield stacking or the infinite cloak of a magicka nightblade, or the infinite heals of a templar. Those are defensive abilities. There is a fine line between killing someone quickly and protecting yourself from other players.

yodased wrote: »

So you enjoy being able to kill the massive majority of players without them being able to react to you and want that to stay, so you make up things about a class lacking defense.

Got it.

It may be fun on the killing side, but no one is having fun on the "learn to play against instadeath" side.

No amount of gitgud is defending against a cancerbuild NB.

Incap can be dodged. Gitgud and the right build leads to surviving it.