exeeter702 wrote: »Just out of curiosity. Depending on how a player decides to gain his/her experience points, could one not atrue that a 2 hour 50 percent boost is more worthwhile than a 150 percent 30 min boost?
And likewise psijic's lasting only 30 mins, where the currently available scrolls last 2 hours.... is this not as well worth the amount of complaning?
It's only XP not a food that going to increase your stats +20k health 15k stamina and magicka or a drink to buff your regen to over 1000 for each.And I didn't need any xp boost to progress to end game and be at cp cap.
UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Lumbermill_Emperor wrote: »@UltimaJoe777
they not stacking
just checked again
its the same since exp scrolls appear in the crown store
Then let's tag someone and find out if that is intended or not. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_KaiSchober
UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Lumbermill_Emperor wrote: »@UltimaJoe777
they not stacking
just checked again
its the same since exp scrolls appear in the crown store
Then let's tag someone and find out if that is intended or not. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_KaiSchober
UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Lumbermill_Emperor wrote: »@UltimaJoe777
they not stacking
just checked again
its the same since exp scrolls appear in the crown store
Then let's tag someone and find out if that is intended or not. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_KaiSchoberUltimaJoe777 wrote: »Lumbermill_Emperor wrote: »@UltimaJoe777
they not stacking
just checked again
its the same since exp scrolls appear in the crown store
Then let's tag someone and find out if that is intended or not. @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_KaiSchober
When PA was introduced, i specifically remember them mentioning that they stack. So yeah let's get a good look into this
KoshkaMurka wrote: »Well, its quite disappointing. One can argue that this particular scroll isnt p2w, but it is a slippery slope.
Makes me hate those rng boxes even more. >.<
Unsent.Soul wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »Well, its quite disappointing. One can argue that this particular scroll isnt p2w, but it is a slippery slope.
Makes me hate those rng boxes even more. >.<
Really though, why hate them? It's your choice to buy.
KoshkaMurka wrote: »Well, its quite disappointing. One can argue that this particular scroll isnt p2w, but it is a slippery slope.
Makes me hate those rng boxes even more. >.<
Unsent.Soul wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »Well, its quite disappointing. One can argue that this particular scroll isnt p2w, but it is a slippery slope.
Makes me hate those rng boxes even more. >.<
Really though, why hate them? It's your choice to buy.
KoshkaMurka wrote: »Unsent.Soul wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »Well, its quite disappointing. One can argue that this particular scroll isnt p2w, but it is a slippery slope.
Makes me hate those rng boxes even more. >.<
Really though, why hate them? It's your choice to buy.
1)Because its not a consumer-friendly way to sell stuff. And there's no laws to control such things (as opposed to casinos and other similar things) so the boxes can (and will) be rigged.
2)Because I would've bought many of the rng box items if they were offered for direct purchase but now I have to skip them.
3)Because after all those (absolutely justified) complaints about crown consumables in said boxes they might actually get buffed to be better than in-game consumables. Just like those 150% exp scrolls.
4)This kind of practice in games is often related to p2w stuff. For example, better enchants, upgrade materials and such, to make the boxes more desirable. Which, in turn, affects the game for everyone, not just for people who purchase the boxes.
5)If the boxes will be popular, there's a huge risk of ZOS focusing on those boxes instead of actual content. This already happened to many games.
KoshkaMurka wrote: »4)This kind of practice in games is often related to p2w stuff. For example, better enchants, upgrade materials and such, to make the boxes more desirable. Which, in turn, affects the game for everyone, not just for people who purchase the boxes.
5)If the boxes will be popular, there's a huge risk of ZOS focusing on those boxes instead of actual content. This already happened to many games.
AzraelKrieg wrote: »DocFrost72 wrote: »exeeter702 wrote: »Valen_Byte wrote: »All of you that are saying "its not p2w" are missing the true point here.
The issue here is integrity. They said they would NEVER put ANY consumibles in the crown store that are better than crafted consumables. They said it on there FAQ, they said it in a live stream, and they have said it here on the forums.
Looks like they lied. Integrity, is on its way out. One person in this thread even said "that was 2 years ago, things change" Had to just smh at that one. On that logic, I married my wife 20 years ago so the promises I made are no longer valid. Im sure that would go over well with the wife.
Like I said this is not a p2w issue...its about integrity. Something that is beginning to seem very rare in game and in the real world.DocFrost72 wrote: »Lumbermill_Emperor wrote: »@Cherryblossom
i know i can craft training gear and i use id for grinding ofc
still its not linked with the matter of my topic
and math from first post will remain the same with training gear on me or not
Your whole argument is crafters get shafted. He showed you cra. ters don't, I showed you they don't, and then you call "pay to progress"
Bro, stop trolling. Please.
Not that I agree with him. But for his point, it's not a troll. Training gear is separate to his issue since it's not a perk that would counter the scrolls, but is simply an addition to it. He is saying everyone has access to it, and stacks with other exp bonuses so referencing training gear is pointless.
Don't feed him. This conversation started as "p2w" then "p2progress" whatever the *** that is, to they broke some statement, not promise, a year + ago.
And training is relevant, heavily. Crafters get a more reliable, effective, and easier xP boost option over someone buying even these scrolls.
Don't sweep it under the rug either about the fact that there are going to be powerful consumables coming in Crown shop, 3 times more powerful than Psijic Ambrossia
More powerful yes but rare as hen's teeth. You could spend an entire 6 month's allotment of crowns and not get it. Or you could get it in one crate. The RNG on these powerful XP boosts is going to make it hard to get them and anyone that gets them should consider themselves lucky.
ThePaleItalian wrote: »Lumbermill_Emperor wrote: »and the other 70% naive simpletons, they didnt understanding the real threat in this grand scrolls
I almost blacked out reading that.... can't form.....sentences.... ahhh.
Anywho, just because people disagree with you doesn't make them a naive simpleton. Who knows, years down the road you can stand up and say you were right, or you can sit there with your foot in your mouth and be wrong.
XP scroll is XP scroll. Doesn't make me a blind fanboy or simpleton, it makes me see it for what it is. A way to earn XP.
Go check out WoW with their heirlooms, you can do random dungeons and lvl from 1 to 60 in like half a day. So is WoW play to win? I mean you can spend 60 bucks and get an instant max character. So once again is WoW play to win?
I guess one question that has no real answer is what "winning" is in an MMO.
Most people may say top quality gear, but without the skills to match it matters very little what you wear. So maybe skill points are winning. Or having the best potion/food.
It's not black and white, unfortunately
Well, I think that the point of ambrosia and roe isn't necessarily that you use it yourself or that you are fishing with the sole purpose of getting roe - you sell it to others or use it to offset some of the XP lost while fishing. I suspect many that fish either sell the roe outright, or make ambrosia and sell that. I know I've done a lot of both (was lucky that it came out just after I started working on master angler), and I've never actually used an XP pot. So fishing gets a bit of a reward, and people can trade gold for XP gains. Gold is obtained by in-game activities, so in effect they may trade off some of what they may have done on existing characters to get more XP on new characters. If you do choose to use the drink yourself, it is more like a little bit of a consolation for having gained no XP while fishing. If you weren't solely fishing to get roe, it is an XP gain that you wouldn't have gotten had the roe not been there - you would have been fishing anyway. It actually seems like a pretty good system with the various gameplay options that it added. Of course it is tied into the crown scroll part of it (can't be so easy that no one will spend crowns) - yeah, that's just about them making IRL money!MornaBaine wrote: »The Ambrosia has always been a bad joke though. Think about it. Why do you want to be able to make this stuff? So you can save time leveling alts usually. BUT once you have been lucky enough to collect all the recipe pages (and many players swear the drop rate of those has been nerfed) you then have to acquire Perfect Roe to MAKE the potion... which requires COUNTLESS HOURS of fishing because the drop rates of the Perfect Roe is INCREDIBLY RARE. So where is the time savings here? You could grind out levels with NO Ambrosia far faster than you can acquire the mats to MAKE IT. So what happens? People get frustrated and just buy the already much longer lasting XP scrolls from the crown store. The Ambrosia has ALWAYS been a cruel trick to make us think ZOS has kept its word on this. But at least some of us know better.
Can't say I truly understand what the outrage is all about. We've had XP pots and scrolls available for a long time...how are these different? Fun story...I created a magDK and got him to 50 the same day by using crafted training gear and XP scrolls. Did I pay to win, or do I just understand how to level an alt? Not really seeing the problem here...
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hi everyone, here’s where we are with Crown Crates:
We put systems on the PTS for player feedback for a reason – we have sifted (and continue to analyze) your feedback on Crown Crates, and as such, we’re going to make at least the following changes to the system before it goes live later this year:We may well find other changes we want to make as well, and will let everyone know what we have done when this initial round of changes are in and can test them internally.
- We are working to change the way the system works to ensure that you get higher tiered items more often.
- We will allow you to convert unwanted Crown Crate consumables into Crown Gems. This way, you won’t be stuck with consumables you may not want, and you will also have more Gems to purchase the items that you do want.
- We will also take another look at Crown Crate potions, food, XP scrolls, etc. with an eye towards boosting their effectiveness and/or duration. This may entail us adding new recipes to allow crafters to make similar items.
Lumbermill_Emperor wrote: »it takes 10 pages and 7k views for ZOS to react
they reacting in other topic
reposting here
the point of my topic still stand until they will not add equal recipeZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hi everyone, here’s where we are with Crown Crates:
We put systems on the PTS for player feedback for a reason – we have sifted (and continue to analyze) your feedback on Crown Crates, and as such, we’re going to make at least the following changes to the system before it goes live later this year:We may well find other changes we want to make as well, and will let everyone know what we have done when this initial round of changes are in and can test them internally.
- We are working to change the way the system works to ensure that you get higher tiered items more often.
- We will allow you to convert unwanted Crown Crate consumables into Crown Gems. This way, you won’t be stuck with consumables you may not want, and you will also have more Gems to purchase the items that you do want.
- We will also take another look at Crown Crate potions, food, XP scrolls, etc. with an eye towards boosting their effectiveness and/or duration. This may entail us adding new recipes to allow crafters to make similar items.