Yesterday The Guild Bank Was Robbed. Today The Thief Admitted Everything On Live Stream <3

Dracane

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

It's an MMO and roleplay is a big part of it. Thieves exist in this world and a very good thief will attempt to get access to such a guild and gain the trust of the members and take the chance to abuse it.

In my opinion, nobody should get banned for this. Every mercenary tells you, that you shouldn't trust anyone.
I celebrate thieves who have the guts to do this. And I know, that the divines will judge over them, sooner or later.
And I know, that the divines will acknowledge OPs warm heart, sooner or later.

This has NOTHING to do with roleplay. An RPer would gut the bank as part of his RP, but INSTANTLY return it after the ruse was played out.

You can't bring in RP as ANY justification for this kind of *** move. Please don't drag the RP community down by even alluding that an RPer would do this.

Sorry, that's my opinion and stick with it It's a justification for me.
But I'm certain that this evil bad guy didn't do it out of RP reasons. So that's not a justiciation in his case.

olsborg

Sadly, being an ass in an mmo isnt a bannable offence. Rise above knowing that hes probably an ass in his real life aswell, poor sod.

Acsvf

I don't think I understand why you having evidence of the act matters.

EZgoin76

One of the reasons I haven't been able to stick with a guild for more than a month and not really looking for a new one any time soon. Everyone is out for themselves.

Being able to be a member of multiple guilds leaves no sense of community for me.

ZOS needs to do something about this. Even if it doesn't mean reprimanding the offender. They need to think long and hard about better guild management tools.

lycanslerwb17_ESO

If your guild is on NA PC I.d like to help your guild get back on its feet. I dont need permissions to withdraw, just deposit. Im not rich, but I hate thievery. Message me @ladygothica63

Reykice

Kildayen wrote: »

Not sure if it will help at all because I know ZOS's stance on people in a guild having access to a guild bank, but I am wondering how many times someone has gotten caught admitting to it in chat with video proof.

Yesterday a player who was in one of my guilds for about a year decided that he wanted to clear the bank out. One of the awesome things about this guild is people donate their time and materials so that everyone can have access to free food, drinks, materials etc. I know it is a risky business when you give access to everyone, but you kinda expect people who have been around for a while to be decent human beings, and you only get access if you have been part of the family for a while.

I take this stuff personally as I work in law enforcement in real life and I hate it when bad people do bad things to good people. I am not posting this because I am "butthurt". I am just curious if you feel that the evidence is grounds for ZOS doing something.

Anyway, I saw the person was online today. I never spoke to him before in my life. I sent him a whisper and he responded. I have the entire conversation recorded on video via Live Stream from Twitch to YouTube. The reason I am posting about it here is I am wondering with the evidence I have, will ZOS actually do something about what happened? I feel bad for the people who donated their efforts. I took no personal loss from what happened. I just feel bad for the others. I am going to email ZOS a link to the YouTube video showing the conversation and will be sure to spread the info on reddit and facebook groups as well. I can't post a link here because his info will be shown, but I can post the transcript. Here it is for your reading enjoyment

**note** I claimed that I donated my time and materials in the bank. None of the items he stole were mine. I said what I did to see how he would respond. The items he took belonged to the other hard working members of the guild. All names were left out so that I would not get into trouble for naming and shaming. You can see the full names on the un-edited version when it goes around on the other websites.

**transcript was copied exactly as it was typed by him. Not everything he responded with made sense, but he doesn't seem too educated anyway**

me: Yo
me: Wake up!

evil bad guy: ye?
evil bad guy: sorry i was eating breakfast

me: hey sorry to bug you. I don't expect to get a good reason, but I was wondering why you chose to empty out the guild bank of **** ****? I donated a lot of my materials and time to put that food together. It kind sucks that you did that
me: It really sucks that you did that
me: I put that stuff in there to help others, and you took all that away.
me: Should I expect a reason? Or are you just going to ignore the question?
me: Anything?

evil bad guy: yeah im a terrible person. i took an opportunity to make alot of bank. I know i was probably a trusted member of the guild since i was in it for a year but \_('*)_/
evil bad guy: is there a log anyway that says who took because i got found out pretty fast

me: yeah it shows everything in the guild history
me: I put a lot of effort into helping others

evil bad guy: LOL XD

me: and you took all of it away. Shows everything that you took.
me: Seriously, like why did you do it?
me: just to make money?

evil bad guy: yeah the economy is rough man

me: yeah but that was my money. All my donations and time spent...
me: you should give it all back
me: your thoughts?

evil bad guy: look my friend im a thief but im not a bad one here ill give you 10k for actually having the courage to confront me. Sorry man, next time the ***** people to increase the bank permissions or whatever. or just dont promote a guy like me.

me: 10k is all you'll give me? For all that? Come on man.
me: lol is this the first time you have done something like this? Have you robbed other guild banks too?

evil bad guy: hey if i was a huge d**k i wouldn't have given you anything man. I may be heartless for what I did but i've got about 1% of a soul
yeah its my first

me: Aren't you scared of losing your account? Getting banned?

evil bad guy: its not bannable look it up
evil bad guy: the devs have an official statement on it

me: Yeah but if you admit to taking something that is not yours for personal gain, that kinda negates that

evil bad guy: look man what i did is certainly not breaking any rules i know that for a fact well anyway try to have a nice day

**end transcript**

At this point he blocked me and I could not communicate with him anymore. I was a little upset about this because I really wanted him to know that this was all being live streamed and recorded and I didn't have the opportunity to tell him.

Here are some picture of the items he took. The guild history only goes back so far, so I was not able to get everything.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom Let me know what you think!

ZOS why are you not banning people deliberately griefing other players or in this case entire guilds? Are you ok with griefing, with abuse?

Most games consider griefing an abuse and ban the people doing it.

Do you, ZOS, thing its a bad thing and should not be allowed or is it ok with you as long as the guy pays?

Good for you to post this, many have been wondering where do they stand on cheating and griefing and the rest and this is a clear example of it, we can now see how they act.

I`d suggest waiting for a response for them and if the thief gets away free keep this up while maybe posting on other forums, i know me and others avoided games where griefing was ok with the devs, even if they said something else, many will at least read it and think about it for a second, after all who wants this to happen to them?

alexkdd99

Mojmir wrote: »

Inubis wrote: »

NoRagret wrote: »

The thief has right to withdraw one or all items in bank, if anyone is responsible its yourself. Nie could you please stop bragging about your lack of responsibilty and accountability on forums? Thanks.

Oh wait, so when someone steals your identity and orders things off the internet in your name it's your fault?!? Good to know.

If you gave them permission to access it,yes.

No I think a better analogy is when you buy something from someone and give your credit card info but they in turn charge way more than was agreed upon.

I believe this analogy better fits this situation, and anyone who can justify this person's actions is just as bad.

SirDopey

poor m12 has been copping it so much lately

LadyGamerluv

This guy is revolting, he openly admits he is a thief. How can someone be so cruel and heartless. Smh

NeillMcAttack

That's a whooooolle lot of pasty!!

mb10

I hope this guy does get banned but I doubt it...

Let this be a lesson. It happened on ESO and it sucked but you know how it feels now so never allow it to happen to you IRL with anything you own.

zerosingularity

Hopefully, by this time tomorrow, we will have a dev response, either in this thread or sent directly to OP. This kind of behavior should be swiftly dealt with, and I hope it will.

runagate

The great thing about these kinds of threads is that people openly post information so you know who not to ever trust, be civil to, or give anything to.

I've yet to ever see anything in a guild bank I wanted but am certainly guilty of dumping stuff into them in case newbies or carebears wanted it.

I've seen more bad behavior from guildmasters than thieves and don't really care about any of the guild crap people are always whining about myself, but the people justifying this behavior deserve a good sound thrashing.

It's basically ZOS's fault, though for (1) creating this guild bank system despite the fact that (2) everyone knows bad people use the anonymity of the internet to do what they'd do IRL if it didn't get them in trouble and (3) takes away the only conceivable protection against bad behavior - namely naming and shaming, so at least the rest of us know who to look out for.

Waffennacht

It's not justification to answer why OP won't have anything change. It's not justification to provide ZoS' stance on this very subject.

The ex guild member did nothing bannable - and that is not a justification

NoMoreChillies

stealing is stealing

cant believe poeple argue over this

ArchMikem

When we were robbed for the first time just a week or two ago my GM removed the Bank entirely. No more Guild Bank.

This is just all the more reason for some kind of Justice system. But you know with the introduction of One Tamriel and the Dueling system, that just opens the door to installing a player based Bounty system. This player robbed your guild bank? Place a bounty on their head for the amount they stole, and whichever player finds and defeats them they get a share of the Gold if they return it to the Guild.

There's also something I'm reminded of. Another MMO, I forget which, a player was caught cheating, so the Devs logged into the character, stripped it of every item it owned, even it's clothing, took it to one of the main cities in the game, proclaimed it was a cheater to the other players, and then for all around to watch, threw the character off a wall, killed the character, and then deleted the account.

I'd love to see that kind of justice.

yodased

Put him on blast in game in zone chat of your factions undaunted. Wors travels fast and he will be relegated to playing with like minded folk.

This isnt naming and shaming, it presenting facts at this point

Deathgiggle

This is a game that promotes theft at every turn! In fact some would argue that stealing and killing innocent people are a fun aspect of the game. To most players there is not much difference in stealing from a Guild Bank. I mean the items they took are just pixels on the screen and have no real life value.

They also have stated again and again to restrict Bank access if your concerned about such a theft. I will never understand this whole concept of letting your guildies be free to take what they want. No serious guild I have ever been in has had a policy like this.

Carl-lan

So... by most people's logic, if you give someone access to something and they take everything from you, it's your own fault?

Like... if you give your house keys to your mate for the weekend to house sit, and he just took all of your stuff... That's your own fault.

Given, you have some pretty dog mates and should probably reconsider your friendships...

freespirit

Deathgiggle wrote: »

This is a game that promotes theft at every turn! In fact some would argue that stealing and killing innocent people are a fun aspect of the game. To most players there is not much difference in stealing from a Guild Bank. I mean the items they took are just pixels on the screen and have no real life value.

They also have stated again and again to restrict Bank access if your concerned about such a theft. I will never understand this whole concept of letting your guildies be free to take what they want. No serious guild I have ever been in has had a policy like this.

Firstly wow colour overload!!

Secondly bolded text, 4 of my 5 guilds have pretty much easy conditions to gain access to the GB, 3 of those are serious traders. My personal guild has been robbed once, tbh as somebody mentioned earlier if it's in there I consider it gone.

As far as the OP is concerned, it sucks when it happens!! I put stuff in guild banks for people who need it not for some idiot to take it and run.

Ch4mpTW

I apologize that this happened to you, OP. I sincerely hope that your guild manages to get back on its feet, and gets even more than what it originally had.

Stories like this make me sad, and it makes me even more sad when I read the replies about how the griefer/thief didn't actually break any rules, as you are at fault for giving trust to the wrong person. That logic is horrible, in my opinion. And should not be given to those experiencing these situations. How would it feel if the person making the statements about how the third wasn't at fault had their guild banks robbed, and they were a guild leader? I bet not too happy. I highly doubt they'd shrug it off, and be act as though nothing happened. So it would be nice to see a little compassion being given.

Damn... People in this world are a trip, bruh. Cold-hearted and ruthless critters, who truly only have themselves in mind. These are some dark and wicked times we're living in, OP. Both on ESO, and in the "real world". God bless you, bruh. Be smart, be strong, and take care.

Elmour0Fudd

Is just some muppit that has sociopathic tenancies and no empathy for the live players in the guild he was in.
Realise that living people have spent minuet's, hour's or even day's working for an item, and it is taken from them so they then have to go through the whole exercise yet again, or obtain the material's to make them again.
So with actual recorded confession ect. why wont ZoS do bugger all, it is not playing the game roleplay wise it's just being a common thief taking other peoples property.
Surely this goes against the spirit of the EULA if not the wording, so the EULA is flawed and needs to be made harder on such actions,
the penalty is lost of the account and return of all item's taken to the original location and a permaban for the stupidity,
would be a good example of evolution of the fittest or Darwin's Blade lol,
but as we know this will never happen .....again and again.

The OP deserves so support for at least trying to do something is a pity the name can't be bounced though the guild leader's so they can bolt the stable door before the event, but would break other rules.........yet again the player community is not allowed to resolve the matter in a sensible way, without month's of waiting, is like watching paint dry what a joke

MasterSpatula

This? This right here? This is why the rules against "naming and shaming," far from creating a better community, actually create a worse one.

Players like this guy deserve to get a reputation. It's bad for the community for them not to get a reputation.

It literally makes the game worse.

Runs

-edit- People *** me off. Think I need a break from the forums

Caligamy_ESO

This is why I think naming & shaming should be acceptable, I don't want a useless waste of space like this guy in a guild or party with me.

Lumbermill_Emperor

this topic dont need dev answer
here is nothing to answer because nothing wrong happened

Bouldercleave

Lumbermill_Emperor wrote: »

this topic dont need dev answer
here is nothing to answer because nothing wrong happened

Something VERY wrong happened - it's just not a punishable offense. If you don't think what was done was wrong, I feel sorry for you.

raidentenshu_ESO

Kildayen wrote: »

Not sure if it will help at all because I know ZOS's stance on people in a guild having access to a guild bank, but I am wondering how many times someone has gotten caught admitting to it in chat with video proof.

Yesterday a player who was in one of my guilds for about a year decided that he wanted to clear the bank out. One of the awesome things about this guild is people donate their time and materials so that everyone can have access to free food, drinks, materials etc. I know it is a risky business when you give access to everyone, but you kinda expect people who have been around for a while to be decent human beings, and you only get access if you have been part of the family for a while.

I take this stuff personally as I work in law enforcement in real life and I hate it when bad people do bad things to good people. I am not posting this because I am "butthurt". I am just curious if you feel that the evidence is grounds for ZOS doing something.

Anyway, I saw the person was online today. I never spoke to him before in my life. I sent him a whisper and he responded. I have the entire conversation recorded on video via Live Stream from Twitch to YouTube. The reason I am posting about it here is I am wondering with the evidence I have, will ZOS actually do something about what happened? I feel bad for the people who donated their efforts. I took no personal loss from what happened. I just feel bad for the others. I am going to email ZOS a link to the YouTube video showing the conversation and will be sure to spread the info on reddit and facebook groups as well. I can't post a link here because his info will be shown, but I can post the transcript. Here it is for your reading enjoyment

**note** I claimed that I donated my time and materials in the bank. None of the items he stole were mine. I said what I did to see how he would respond. The items he took belonged to the other hard working members of the guild. All names were left out so that I would not get into trouble for naming and shaming. You can see the full names on the un-edited version when it goes around on the other websites.

**transcript was copied exactly as it was typed by him. Not everything he responded with made sense, but he doesn't seem too educated anyway**

me: Yo
me: Wake up!

evil bad guy: ye?
evil bad guy: sorry i was eating breakfast

me: hey sorry to bug you. I don't expect to get a good reason, but I was wondering why you chose to empty out the guild bank of **** ****? I donated a lot of my materials and time to put that food together. It kind sucks that you did that
me: It really sucks that you did that
me: I put that stuff in there to help others, and you took all that away.
me: Should I expect a reason? Or are you just going to ignore the question?
me: Anything?

evil bad guy: yeah im a terrible person. i took an opportunity to make alot of bank. I know i was probably a trusted member of the guild since i was in it for a year but \_('*)_/
evil bad guy: is there a log anyway that says who took because i got found out pretty fast

me: yeah it shows everything in the guild history
me: I put a lot of effort into helping others

evil bad guy: LOL XD

me: and you took all of it away. Shows everything that you took.
me: Seriously, like why did you do it?
me: just to make money?

evil bad guy: yeah the economy is rough man

me: yeah but that was my money. All my donations and time spent...
me: you should give it all back
me: your thoughts?

evil bad guy: look my friend im a thief but im not a bad one here ill give you 10k for actually having the courage to confront me. Sorry man, next time the ***** people to increase the bank permissions or whatever. or just dont promote a guy like me.

me: 10k is all you'll give me? For all that? Come on man.
me: lol is this the first time you have done something like this? Have you robbed other guild banks too?

evil bad guy: hey if i was a huge d**k i wouldn't have given you anything man. I may be heartless for what I did but i've got about 1% of a soul
yeah its my first

me: Aren't you scared of losing your account? Getting banned?

evil bad guy: its not bannable look it up
evil bad guy: the devs have an official statement on it

me: Yeah but if you admit to taking something that is not yours for personal gain, that kinda negates that

evil bad guy: look man what i did is certainly not breaking any rules i know that for a fact well anyway try to have a nice day

**end transcript**

At this point he blocked me and I could not communicate with him anymore. I was a little upset about this because I really wanted him to know that this was all being live streamed and recorded and I didn't have the opportunity to tell him.

Here are some picture of the items he took. The guild history only goes back so far, so I was not able to get everything.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom Let me know what you think!

I would go after the person who gave this player access to the bank. It isn't this players fault for doing what he did. It's the fault of the administrator who is in charge of granting special privileges to players of gaining access to such precious items.

Very typical for someone who refuses to take responsibility for ones own actions. Always blaming the other person.

Bouldercleave

So the thief is not to blame simply because he was given the opportunity to be a *** head?

I agree that I would be FAR more wary of who got access than what happened here, but it is 100% the fault of the *** thief that stole from guildmates that were trying to work together.

raidentenshu_ESO

I hope we all learn a lesson from this mistake......



Don't promote people to have access to the bank unless if you can truly trust them with your life because once you do that player can do whatever he wants despite it being "evil like".