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Stamina or Magicka?
vZEskimo
Soul Shriven
I would like to conduct a test.
In your opinion, is stamina or magicka better in the current PTS?
Either put your opinion in the comments, or this strawpoll. http://www.strawpoll.me/11165142/r
Thanks
Edited by vZEskimo on September 6, 2016 3:02AM In your opinion, is stamina or magicka better in the current PTS?
Either put your opinion in the comments, or this strawpoll. http://www.strawpoll.me/11165142/r
Thanks
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Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This is extremely obvious to anyone who has more than a couple days of PvP experience.
Only people who think Magicka is stronger than Stamina right now are:
1) Noobs to the game. New players. Little experience in actual PvP but who will probably learn pretty soon.
2) Diehard Stamina players who love playing whatever is overbuffed. Some feel they were weak in the past, so the only justification now is to have Stamina significantly overperform forever. They are a cancer to the game's balance, and there are plenty of them. Mainly weak Stam NB and Black Rose users.18 -
vZEskimoSoul ShrivenThis is extremely obvious to anyone who has more than a couple days of PvP experience.
Only people who think Magicka is stronger than Stamina right now are:
1) Noobs to the game. New players. Little experience in actual PvP but who will probably learn pretty soon.
2) Diehard Stamina players who love playing whatever is overbuffed. Some feel they were weak in the past, so the only justification now is to have Stamina significantly overperform forever. They are a cancer to the game's balance, and there are plenty of them. Mainly weak Stam NB and Black Rose users.
I agree, I just wanted to do this so I can link people who think Magicka is stronger the forum post 1 -
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LOOK people and DEVS
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how it is unbalalanced ... Magicka cant get next to this...
still you dont undwer any of threads about this.
when u started to care or u show that u care and wil do something???!!!!!Plays:
Magicka SORC - PvE/PvP
Stamina NB - PvE/PvP
Magicka NB - PvE/PvP
Magicka Templar - PvE
Stamina Templar - PvP
Magicka DK - PvE
Stamina DK - PvE5 -
Omgwtfbbq321✭✭✭I saw a magicka DK in PVP today! I mean, he was hard to spot in that forest of shuffle/Vigoring stam players, but he was there.
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✭✭✭✭✭PvE wise both have its uses. Yes sure Stamina has more dps. But most guilds that do trial content are almost FULL Magicka setups. Simply because it is easier to survive and you have shields like harness Magicka that bolsters incoming damage.
As someone who is not in any guild and is invited by many guilds to do PvE content, I have to disagree with this statement. I heal and I haven't slotted siphon spirit or elemental drain since SoTH released and it was rare before then.
When the raid leader asks "do we have any ranged DPS" nobody says yes. There are all melee and 90% of them stam.Edited by Joy_Division on September 10, 2016 1:40PM5 -
Ivan04✭✭✭✭We should find the best stam player and the best magicka player and compare their capabilities. All this subjective stuff and polls, it's, well, simply subjective.Edited by Ivan04 on September 10, 2016 1:48PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Joy_Division wrote: »PvE wise both have its uses. Yes sure Stamina has more dps. But most guilds that do trial content are almost FULL Magicka setups. Simply because it is easier to survive and you have shields like harness Magicka that bolsters incoming damage.
As someone who is not in any guild and is invited by many guilds to do PvE content, I have to disagree with this statement. I heal and I haven't slotted siphon spirit or elemental drain since SoTH released and it was rare before then.
When the raid leader asks "do we have any ranged DPS" nobody says yes. There are all melee and 90% of them stam.
Look at any end game trial guild. You will realize what he said was true. The only two raids in the world that completed vMOL hard mode had only one stamina DPS each. The rest was entirely magicka.1 -
Mady✭✭✭✭✭Back in the day when stamina was ***, I played stamina or hybrid. It was fine.
Now....magicka is underpowered, I play magicka. Still fine.
Made a stamina character yesterday. I want to play magicka, but the gap will be too big with update 12. Where is the 'play what you want and how you like'?
[....]The only two raids in the world that completed vMOL hard mode [....]
I think it's actually three
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Just a quick reminder its 3 guilds now. The EU PC guild Aquila Raiders (hope i wrote it correct) finished it yesterday eveningJoy_Division wrote: »PvE wise both have its uses. Yes sure Stamina has more dps. But most guilds that do trial content are almost FULL Magicka setups. Simply because it is easier to survive and you have shields like harness Magicka that bolsters incoming damage.
As someone who is not in any guild and is invited by many guilds to do PvE content, I have to disagree with this statement. I heal and I haven't slotted siphon spirit or elemental drain since SoTH released and it was rare before then.
When the raid leader asks "do we have any ranged DPS" nobody says yes. There are all melee and 90% of them stam.
Look at any end game trial guild. You will realize what he said was true. The only two raids in the world that completed vMOL hard mode had only one stamina DPS each. The rest was entirely magicka.
Edited by xblackroxe on September 10, 2016 4:08PMMember of HODOR
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✭✭PvE wise both have its uses. Yes sure Stamina has more dps. But most guilds that do trial content are almost FULL Magicka setups. Simply because it is easier to survive and you have shields like harness Magicka that bolsters incoming damage.
Never saw people using 6 seconds shield in Trials, i do all the time trials. 6 SECOND duration is to blame
. in fact Stamina has lot more survivaility while using dual wielding healing...Edited by Lord_Eomer on September 10, 2016 6:13PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »PvE wise both have its uses. Yes sure Stamina has more dps. But most guilds that do trial content are almost FULL Magicka setups. Simply because it is easier to survive and you have shields like harness Magicka that bolsters incoming damage.
Never saw people using 6 seconds shield in Trials, i do all the time trials. 6 SECOND duration is to blame
. in fact Stamina has lot more survivaility while using dual wielding healing...
Which Stamina DD uses that in the first place?
LOL, and don't argue trials with Alcast, who is one of the most competitive raiders in ESO.
Normal trials and vet hard mode trials are a totally different beast. Without survivability, you won't survive it.0 -
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✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »PvE wise both have its uses. Yes sure Stamina has more dps. But most guilds that do trial content are almost FULL Magicka setups. Simply because it is easier to survive and you have shields like harness Magicka that bolsters incoming damage.
Never saw people using 6 seconds shield in Trials, i do all the time trials. 6 SECOND duration is to blame
. in fact Stamina has lot more survivaility while using dual wielding healing...
I'm a sorcerer and ... i agreee ... i use only overkil l( i don't use bound storm ) ... i have 2500 Self-heal per second ... and this is VERY enough .
Stamina have self heal too ... stam sorcerer have 2500+ self-heal per seconde , other stam have the self-heal of PVP .... 4K heal per tick X 6 tick , during 5 seconde .Edited by Apherius on September 10, 2016 7:23PM0 -
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✭PvE wise both have its uses. Yes sure Stamina has more dps. But most guilds that do trial content are almost FULL Magicka setups. Simply because it is easier to survive and you have shields like harness Magicka that bolsters incoming damage.
noone is using harness mag. in trials... if wanna make dpsPlays:
Magicka SORC - PvE/PvP
Stamina NB - PvE/PvP
Magicka NB - PvE/PvP
Magicka Templar - PvE
Stamina Templar - PvP
Magicka DK - PvE
Stamina DK - PvE0 -
TheHsN✭✭✭✭✭
✭We should find the best stam player and the best magicka player and compare their capabilities. All this subjective stuff and polls, it's, well, simply subjective.
ne need ... there is stam build dps 59K there is magicka 42K 17K more than magicka...and everybody knows it.Plays:
Magicka SORC - PvE/PvP
Stamina NB - PvE/PvP
Magicka NB - PvE/PvP
Magicka Templar - PvE
Stamina Templar - PvP
Magicka DK - PvE
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Apherius✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭PvE wise both have its uses. Yes sure Stamina has more dps. But most guilds that do trial content are almost FULL Magicka setups. Simply because it is easier to survive and you have shields like harness Magicka that bolsters incoming damage.
noone is using harness mag. in trials... if wanna make dps
please ... don't care of shield , agree with you Hsn ( eh ! i remember you , i think i did some duel with you on the Imperial city , 6month + ago ) nobody need a shield ... you take your self heal and you have enough survavibility for solot Vcoa in vamp , until the Big deadroth boss . same for raid , you take your self heal + 2 heal ... and you don't need shield .Edited by Apherius on September 10, 2016 8:35PM0 -
SublimeSparo✭✭✭✭✭PvE wise both have its uses. Yes sure Stamina has more dps. But most guilds that do trial content are almost FULL Magicka setups. Simply because it is easier to survive and you have shields like harness Magicka that bolsters incoming damage.
noone is using harness mag. in trials... if wanna make dps
please ... don't care of shield , agree with you Hsn ( eh ! i remember you , i think i did some duel with you on the Imperial city , 6month + ago ) nobody need a shield ... you take your self heal and you have enough survavibility for solot Vcoa in vamp , until the Big deadroth boss . same for raid , you take your self heal + 2 heal ... and you don't need shield .
Bit of a difference between nerfed to oblivion vCoA and vMoL hm, where you can get a horrible healing debuff, it rains meteors with increasing damage, and dreadstalkers that one shot if you don't block and put a 20k dot tick on you etcPS4 EU CP900. PS4 NA CP600,
vAA HM ☆ vHRC HM ☆ vSO HM ☆ vMOL
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AlcastClass RepresentativeLord_Dexter wrote: »PvE wise both have its uses. Yes sure Stamina has more dps. But most guilds that do trial content are almost FULL Magicka setups. Simply because it is easier to survive and you have shields like harness Magicka that bolsters incoming damage.
Never saw people using 6 seconds shield in Trials, i do all the time trials. 6 SECOND duration is to blame
. in fact Stamina has lot more survivaility while using dual wielding healing...
In our raids it is MANDATORY to slot shields. Plus our tanks spam Ingneous shields 24/7 with vigor.
The 6 second time does not matter, if you do know the mechancs you do know when HUGE damage is incoming. before that moment you use harness magicka.
Sure it is possible to run without, but please go on do hardmodes with full stam setups. The most difficult content, hardmodes in trials, is dominated by magicka setups.Joy_Division wrote: »PvE wise both have its uses. Yes sure Stamina has more dps. But most guilds that do trial content are almost FULL Magicka setups. Simply because it is easier to survive and you have shields like harness Magicka that bolsters incoming damage.
As someone who is not in any guild and is invited by many guilds to do PvE content, I have to disagree with this statement. I heal and I haven't slotted siphon spirit or elemental drain since SoTH released and it was rare before then.
When the raid leader asks "do we have any ranged DPS" nobody says yes. There are all melee and 90% of them stam.
Let me know when you reach full vitality at the end of a trial together with hardmode with a full stam group. I will invite everyone personally to the guild.
Again, sure you can run with full stam setups, its doable...is it optimal? No.
And the next thing is, most people are unable to get better dps numbers on stamina characters than most good magicka players. That is because most people are FOTM rollers and will never really understand how to play any class.
In the end, it always depends what kind of content you play and what goal you have.Lava_Croft wrote: »Get schooled on how to run trials, @Alcast !
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✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »PvE wise both have its uses. Yes sure Stamina has more dps. But most guilds that do trial content are almost FULL Magicka setups. Simply because it is easier to survive and you have shields like harness Magicka that bolsters incoming damage.
Never saw people using 6 seconds shield in Trials, i do all the time trials. 6 SECOND duration is to blame
. in fact Stamina has lot more survivaility while using dual wielding healing...
In our raids it is MANDATORY to slot shields. Plus our tanks spam Ingneous shields 24/7 with vigor.
The 6 second time does not matter, if you do know the mechancs you do know when HUGE damage is incoming. before that moment you use harness magicka.
Sure it is possible to run without, but please go on do hardmodes with full stam setups. The most difficult content, hardmodes in trials, is dominated by magicka setups.Joy_Division wrote: »PvE wise both have its uses. Yes sure Stamina has more dps. But most guilds that do trial content are almost FULL Magicka setups. Simply because it is easier to survive and you have shields like harness Magicka that bolsters incoming damage.
As someone who is not in any guild and is invited by many guilds to do PvE content, I have to disagree with this statement. I heal and I haven't slotted siphon spirit or elemental drain since SoTH released and it was rare before then.
When the raid leader asks "do we have any ranged DPS" nobody says yes. There are all melee and 90% of them stam.
Let me know when you reach full vitality at the end of a trial together with hardmode with a full stam group. I will invite everyone personally to the guild.
Again, sure you can run with full stam setups, its doable...is it optimal? No.
And the next thing is, most people are unable to get better dps numbers on stamina characters than most good magicka players. That is because most people are FOTM rollers and will never really understand how to play any class.
In the end, it always depends what kind of content you play and what goal you have.Lava_Croft wrote: »Get schooled on how to run trials, @Alcast !
>.>
But Alcast, you only ever play stamina builds.
Sounds to me, like you are simply defending what's strong anyway and what you love.
Nothing wrong with that, I too fight for what I believe in. But I think your statements are too biased.Auri-El is my lord,
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AlcastClass RepresentativeLord_Dexter wrote: »PvE wise both have its uses. Yes sure Stamina has more dps. But most guilds that do trial content are almost FULL Magicka setups. Simply because it is easier to survive and you have shields like harness Magicka that bolsters incoming damage.
Never saw people using 6 seconds shield in Trials, i do all the time trials. 6 SECOND duration is to blame
. in fact Stamina has lot more survivaility while using dual wielding healing...
In our raids it is MANDATORY to slot shields. Plus our tanks spam Ingneous shields 24/7 with vigor.
The 6 second time does not matter, if you do know the mechancs you do know when HUGE damage is incoming. before that moment you use harness magicka.
Sure it is possible to run without, but please go on do hardmodes with full stam setups. The most difficult content, hardmodes in trials, is dominated by magicka setups.Joy_Division wrote: »PvE wise both have its uses. Yes sure Stamina has more dps. But most guilds that do trial content are almost FULL Magicka setups. Simply because it is easier to survive and you have shields like harness Magicka that bolsters incoming damage.
As someone who is not in any guild and is invited by many guilds to do PvE content, I have to disagree with this statement. I heal and I haven't slotted siphon spirit or elemental drain since SoTH released and it was rare before then.
When the raid leader asks "do we have any ranged DPS" nobody says yes. There are all melee and 90% of them stam.
Let me know when you reach full vitality at the end of a trial together with hardmode with a full stam group. I will invite everyone personally to the guild.
Again, sure you can run with full stam setups, its doable...is it optimal? No.
And the next thing is, most people are unable to get better dps numbers on stamina characters than most good magicka players. That is because most people are FOTM rollers and will never really understand how to play any class.
In the end, it always depends what kind of content you play and what goal you have.Lava_Croft wrote: »Get schooled on how to run trials, @Alcast !
>.>
But Alcast, you only ever play stamina builds.
Sounds to me, like you are simply defending what's strong anyway and what you love.
Nothing wrong with that, I too fight for what I believe in. But I think your statements are too biased.
Incorrect
vSO, vMoL I play stamina.
vHRC and vAA I am on Magicka.
You cannot see me playing Magicka often because I do not stream Coregroup runs. I do have vids up from thieves Guild DLC where I mained Magicka Templar in all trials.
And you have to see, when we do coreruns there is like 3-4 people that we ALLOW to even play stamina, because most simply cannot perform better than on their magicka setups.
Dont get me wrong, I would LOVE to see certain stuff getting buffed like Scalding rune or Impulse DoT......its silly that those 2 for example have not been upgraded. I mean 3k DoT over 10seconds? ZOS forgot to 10x that when they hit 1.6.
I would love to see pets getting FIXED. I gave up on pets because it will never look like they will be super useful, even if they get buffed, you still have to pray that they actually attack the target and not walk into the other direction ><
Yesterday 2nd guild Aquila managed to complete ALL achievments in vMoL, 1 Stam DD, others all Magicka DDs.
Again, I am saying, depends what content you want to run, normal runs or vet runs where you do not give a shizzle about points its prolly full of FOTM Stam rollers. But that is not the case in "progression" Guilds.
Heck, we had 3 Mag Sorcs when we completed all the vMoL Achievments
Lets take a look at a few examples, No Death and Hardmode runs are prolly the most difficult thing to do, tell me how many Stam Builds we have in those vids vs how many Mag Builds? (I am not here to brag or w/e, just to showcase you that Magicka is not useless)
https://youtu.be/nEbRjUGMxyE
https://youtu.be/QOhXEDzUEjs
https://youtu.be/yzPJ_WLTGXc
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✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »PvE wise both have its uses. Yes sure Stamina has more dps. But most guilds that do trial content are almost FULL Magicka setups. Simply because it is easier to survive and you have shields like harness Magicka that bolsters incoming damage.
Never saw people using 6 seconds shield in Trials, i do all the time trials. 6 SECOND duration is to blame
. in fact Stamina has lot more survivaility while using dual wielding healing...
In our raids it is MANDATORY to slot shields. Plus our tanks spam Ingneous shields 24/7 with vigor.
The 6 second time does not matter, if you do know the mechancs you do know when HUGE damage is incoming. before that moment you use harness magicka.
Sure it is possible to run without, but please go on do hardmodes with full stam setups. The most difficult content, hardmodes in trials, is dominated by magicka setups.Joy_Division wrote: »PvE wise both have its uses. Yes sure Stamina has more dps. But most guilds that do trial content are almost FULL Magicka setups. Simply because it is easier to survive and you have shields like harness Magicka that bolsters incoming damage.
As someone who is not in any guild and is invited by many guilds to do PvE content, I have to disagree with this statement. I heal and I haven't slotted siphon spirit or elemental drain since SoTH released and it was rare before then.
When the raid leader asks "do we have any ranged DPS" nobody says yes. There are all melee and 90% of them stam.
Let me know when you reach full vitality at the end of a trial together with hardmode with a full stam group. I will invite everyone personally to the guild.
Again, sure you can run with full stam setups, its doable...is it optimal? No.
And the next thing is, most people are unable to get better dps numbers on stamina characters than most good magicka players. That is because most people are FOTM rollers and will never really understand how to play any class.
In the end, it always depends what kind of content you play and what goal you have.Lava_Croft wrote: »Get schooled on how to run trials, @Alcast !
>.>
But Alcast, you only ever play stamina builds.
Sounds to me, like you are simply defending what's strong anyway and what you love.
Nothing wrong with that, I too fight for what I believe in. But I think your statements are too biased.
Incorrect
vSO, vMoL I play stamina.
vHRC and vAA I am on Magicka.
You cannot see me playing Magicka often because I do not stream Coregroup runs. I do have vids up from thieves Guild DLC where I mained Magicka Templar in all trials.
And you have to see, when we do coreruns there is like 3-4 people that we ALLOW to even play stamina, because most simply cannot perform better than on their magicka setups.
Dont get me wrong, I would LOVE to see certain stuff getting buffed like Scalding rune or Impulse DoT......its silly that those 2 for example have not been upgraded. I mean 3k DoT over 10seconds? ZOS forgot to 10x that when they hit 1.6.
I would love to see pets getting FIXED. I gave up on pets because it will never look like they will be super useful, even if they get buffed, you still have to pray that they actually attack the target and not walk into the other direction ><
Yesterday 2nd guild Aquila managed to complete ALL achievments in vMoL, 1 Stam DD, others all Magicka DDs.
Again, I am saying, depends what content you want to run, normal runs or vet runs where you do not give a shizzle about points its prolly full of FOTM Stam rollers. But that is not the case in "progression" Guilds.
Heck, we had 3 Mag Sorcs when we completed all the vMoL Achievments
Lets take a look at a few examples, No Death and Hardmode runs are prolly the most difficult thing to do, tell me how many Stam Builds we have in those vids vs how many Mag Builds? (I am not here to brag or w/e, just to showcase you that Magicka is not useless)https://youtu.be/nEbRjUGMxyEhttps://youtu.be/QOhXEDzUEjshttps://youtu.be/yzPJ_WLTGXchttps://youtu.be/71i5uNa44G0
This basically means, that people only play magicka, because they can't master stamina.
But if they could, then stamina would definately be the way to go. It's just so much more dps and dps is always the best way to finish content.
So maybe you should teach your teammates some lessons and tell them how it works should help your Highscore Auri-El is my lord,
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Kippesnikke✭✭✭✭PvE wise both have its uses. Yes sure Stamina has more dps. But most guilds that do trial content are almost FULL Magicka setups. Simply because it is easier to survive and you have shields like harness Magicka that bolsters incoming damage.
noone is using harness mag. in trials... if wanna make dps
Now alcast is writing to u all about how to clear hard content. and u start dissagreeing?? did u complete vmol hardmode? NO?? then listen and take the advice.....PC-EU-EP
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Kippesnikke✭✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »PvE wise both have its uses. Yes sure Stamina has more dps. But most guilds that do trial content are almost FULL Magicka setups. Simply because it is easier to survive and you have shields like harness Magicka that bolsters incoming damage.
Never saw people using 6 seconds shield in Trials, i do all the time trials. 6 SECOND duration is to blame
. in fact Stamina has lot more survivaility while using dual wielding healing...
In our raids it is MANDATORY to slot shields. Plus our tanks spam Ingneous shields 24/7 with vigor.
The 6 second time does not matter, if you do know the mechancs you do know when HUGE damage is incoming. before that moment you use harness magicka.
Sure it is possible to run without, but please go on do hardmodes with full stam setups. The most difficult content, hardmodes in trials, is dominated by magicka setups.Joy_Division wrote: »PvE wise both have its uses. Yes sure Stamina has more dps. But most guilds that do trial content are almost FULL Magicka setups. Simply because it is easier to survive and you have shields like harness Magicka that bolsters incoming damage.
As someone who is not in any guild and is invited by many guilds to do PvE content, I have to disagree with this statement. I heal and I haven't slotted siphon spirit or elemental drain since SoTH released and it was rare before then.
When the raid leader asks "do we have any ranged DPS" nobody says yes. There are all melee and 90% of them stam.
Let me know when you reach full vitality at the end of a trial together with hardmode with a full stam group. I will invite everyone personally to the guild.
Again, sure you can run with full stam setups, its doable...is it optimal? No.
And the next thing is, most people are unable to get better dps numbers on stamina characters than most good magicka players. That is because most people are FOTM rollers and will never really understand how to play any class.
In the end, it always depends what kind of content you play and what goal you have.Lava_Croft wrote: »Get schooled on how to run trials, @Alcast !
>.>
But Alcast, you only ever play stamina builds.
Sounds to me, like you are simply defending what's strong anyway and what you love.
Nothing wrong with that, I too fight for what I believe in. But I think your statements are too biased.
Incorrect
vSO, vMoL I play stamina.
vHRC and vAA I am on Magicka.
You cannot see me playing Magicka often because I do not stream Coregroup runs. I do have vids up from thieves Guild DLC where I mained Magicka Templar in all trials.
And you have to see, when we do coreruns there is like 3-4 people that we ALLOW to even play stamina, because most simply cannot perform better than on their magicka setups.
Dont get me wrong, I would LOVE to see certain stuff getting buffed like Scalding rune or Impulse DoT......its silly that those 2 for example have not been upgraded. I mean 3k DoT over 10seconds? ZOS forgot to 10x that when they hit 1.6.
I would love to see pets getting FIXED. I gave up on pets because it will never look like they will be super useful, even if they get buffed, you still have to pray that they actually attack the target and not walk into the other direction ><
Yesterday 2nd guild Aquila managed to complete ALL achievments in vMoL, 1 Stam DD, others all Magicka DDs.
Again, I am saying, depends what content you want to run, normal runs or vet runs where you do not give a shizzle about points its prolly full of FOTM Stam rollers. But that is not the case in "progression" Guilds.
Heck, we had 3 Mag Sorcs when we completed all the vMoL Achievments
Lets take a look at a few examples, No Death and Hardmode runs are prolly the most difficult thing to do, tell me how many Stam Builds we have in those vids vs how many Mag Builds? (I am not here to brag or w/e, just to showcase you that Magicka is not useless)https://youtu.be/nEbRjUGMxyEhttps://youtu.be/QOhXEDzUEjshttps://youtu.be/yzPJ_WLTGXchttps://youtu.be/71i5uNa44G0
This basically means, that people only play magicka, because they can't master stamina.
But if they could, then stamina would definately be the way to go. It's just so much more dps and dps is always the best way to finish content.
So maybe you should teach your teammates some lessons and tell them how it works should help your Highscore
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✭✭✭✭✭Kippesnikke wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »PvE wise both have its uses. Yes sure Stamina has more dps. But most guilds that do trial content are almost FULL Magicka setups. Simply because it is easier to survive and you have shields like harness Magicka that bolsters incoming damage.
Never saw people using 6 seconds shield in Trials, i do all the time trials. 6 SECOND duration is to blame
. in fact Stamina has lot more survivaility while using dual wielding healing...
In our raids it is MANDATORY to slot shields. Plus our tanks spam Ingneous shields 24/7 with vigor.
The 6 second time does not matter, if you do know the mechancs you do know when HUGE damage is incoming. before that moment you use harness magicka.
Sure it is possible to run without, but please go on do hardmodes with full stam setups. The most difficult content, hardmodes in trials, is dominated by magicka setups.Joy_Division wrote: »PvE wise both have its uses. Yes sure Stamina has more dps. But most guilds that do trial content are almost FULL Magicka setups. Simply because it is easier to survive and you have shields like harness Magicka that bolsters incoming damage.
As someone who is not in any guild and is invited by many guilds to do PvE content, I have to disagree with this statement. I heal and I haven't slotted siphon spirit or elemental drain since SoTH released and it was rare before then.
When the raid leader asks "do we have any ranged DPS" nobody says yes. There are all melee and 90% of them stam.
Let me know when you reach full vitality at the end of a trial together with hardmode with a full stam group. I will invite everyone personally to the guild.
Again, sure you can run with full stam setups, its doable...is it optimal? No.
And the next thing is, most people are unable to get better dps numbers on stamina characters than most good magicka players. That is because most people are FOTM rollers and will never really understand how to play any class.
In the end, it always depends what kind of content you play and what goal you have.Lava_Croft wrote: »Get schooled on how to run trials, @Alcast !
>.>
But Alcast, you only ever play stamina builds.
Sounds to me, like you are simply defending what's strong anyway and what you love.
Nothing wrong with that, I too fight for what I believe in. But I think your statements are too biased.
Incorrect
vSO, vMoL I play stamina.
vHRC and vAA I am on Magicka.
You cannot see me playing Magicka often because I do not stream Coregroup runs. I do have vids up from thieves Guild DLC where I mained Magicka Templar in all trials.
And you have to see, when we do coreruns there is like 3-4 people that we ALLOW to even play stamina, because most simply cannot perform better than on their magicka setups.
Dont get me wrong, I would LOVE to see certain stuff getting buffed like Scalding rune or Impulse DoT......its silly that those 2 for example have not been upgraded. I mean 3k DoT over 10seconds? ZOS forgot to 10x that when they hit 1.6.
I would love to see pets getting FIXED. I gave up on pets because it will never look like they will be super useful, even if they get buffed, you still have to pray that they actually attack the target and not walk into the other direction ><
Yesterday 2nd guild Aquila managed to complete ALL achievments in vMoL, 1 Stam DD, others all Magicka DDs.
Again, I am saying, depends what content you want to run, normal runs or vet runs where you do not give a shizzle about points its prolly full of FOTM Stam rollers. But that is not the case in "progression" Guilds.
Heck, we had 3 Mag Sorcs when we completed all the vMoL Achievments
Lets take a look at a few examples, No Death and Hardmode runs are prolly the most difficult thing to do, tell me how many Stam Builds we have in those vids vs how many Mag Builds? (I am not here to brag or w/e, just to showcase you that Magicka is not useless)https://youtu.be/nEbRjUGMxyEhttps://youtu.be/QOhXEDzUEjshttps://youtu.be/yzPJ_WLTGXchttps://youtu.be/71i5uNa44G0
This basically means, that people only play magicka, because they can't master stamina.
But if they could, then stamina would definately be the way to go. It's just so much more dps and dps is always the best way to finish content.
So maybe you should teach your teammates some lessons and tell them how it works should help your Highscore
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Nope. Just translating what he is trying to say.
He said several times, that the reason they play magicka, is only because they can't really play stamina.
So the best solution is to change that and teach them how it works.
Can't be so hard to learn a rotation.Edited by Dracane on September 11, 2016 11:25AMAuri-El is my lord,
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