Sorcerers can heal too!

RomansXXI

I'm sick of being kicked from groups because I am a sorcerer healer. I have been able to out heal Templars any day and my build focuses on healing when needed and dps when not. I have completed many veteran dungeons and had not a single group member die on me. Please give us a chance before removing us cause we are not the healer designated class!

Browiseth

No because I don't like things that are different

+1 respect for sorc healz though, would group you any day my friend

andreasranasen

I don't understand why anyone would create a sorc healer. There's Templars for that job.

It's like taking a Porche and turning it into a Prius...

// Magicka Sorc

Hamrb

Go sorc healz. its what I learned on, b4 the twilight was useful. all you need is properly placed healing springs to clear ANY 4 man content. rapid regen/other morph and ward ally/healing ward can help too. but really, I think groups are afraid that youre more likely to not be a full dedicated healer, just because they see the class.

Sorry OP, I believe in your heals tho hehe

UrQuan

Any class can heal. Period. Any class can heal well. Period. Templars just happen to be the easiest class to figure out a good healer setup for, and people confuse that with Templars = Healers; Other Classes != Healers.

I've done loads of vet dungeons with sorcerers healing with absolutely no problems. And a lot of those were before Twilights became the new Breath of Life.

DRXHarbinger

It's probably from bad experience. Like when you get a templar tank turn up with DW and bow and it's prison day.

idk

1. Less skilled tanks may be challenged managing their resources and need the Templar shards.

2. Players with lower probably rely on the healer dos to pull them through.

Especially with tha change to the twilight worcs heal just fine and can setup a 50/50 build easily. Just cannot support stam well outside of a master rStaff

Sallington

Vet Dungeons don't even needed a dedicated healer if the DPS knows how to not to stand in red, so you being kicked is other people not really knowing how the game works, or their own class.

Templars are the best support class by far though, which is why they are FAR preferred for end-game healing. This isn't like most MMOs where the healer's only job is to keep the team alive. You need to support your team AND put out some DPS while you heal. IF I run as a healer for a Vet Pledge, I'm still doing 18-20k DPS.

GilGalad

I healed on all classes, even stam DKs and NBs. Made vICP no death as tank/heal on the stam NB. People who kick healers because they are no Templars are just ***. All veteran dungeons can be healed by every class.

Tonturri

Healing and tanking on my magicka Sorcerer (started as khajiit, now a bosmer ) since near the beginning. Stay strong \o/

DMuehlhausen

This post makes me want to start leveling my Sorc again just to specifically heal to prove the aholes wrong . It''s what my first character did and yes never had deaths really. this was well before pledges though so who knows, but it wasn't challenging.

Chew_Magna

I get crap for being a NB healer. Then when the dungeon is over they're all "damn, nice heals dude".

So now I'm making a DK healer. My sorc is reserved for my next tank

vyndral13preub18_ESO

You lost me at I have never had any one die. I dont care how good a healer you are, there is always dps dumb enough to kill themselves. And if you truely have never had someone die, i honestly think that says more about the quality of people you are playing with then anything about how great a healer you are.

newtinmpls

UrQuan wrote: »

Any class can heal. Period. Any class can heal well. Period. Templars just happen to be the easiest class to figure out a good healer setup for, and people confuse that with Templars = Healers; Other Classes != Healers.

I've done loads of vet dungeons with sorcerers healing with absolutely no problems. And a lot of those were before Twilights became the new Breath of Life.

I will admit its easier now that pet heals have been boosted, but in most non-vet dungeons you can do healing springs, mutagen, pet heals and then alternate with a few lockdowns and a lightning flood (for the synergies). I've also on occasion used the blood alter, but I dislike the current morph of it.

UrQuan

Chew_Magna wrote: »

I get crap for being a NB healer. Then when the dungeon is over they're all "damn, nice heals dude".

So now I'm making a DK healer. My sorc is reserved for my next tank

I've known a couple of really good NB healers, and I've got an untested healing setup for the magicka NB I just recently leveled, but I need to level some skills before I try it out in the wild.

I've tried out a DK healer setup a couple of times and it's worked pretty well. It relies fairly heavily on using shields (I keep Igneous Shield up basically constantly and use Healing Ward as needed), and uses 5-piece Trinimac to take advantage of those shields. I need to play with my setup more to refine it, but so far I've successfully healed the handful of non-vet and vet dungeons I've tried it out in.

ManDraKE

For vet dungeons sorcs healers work just fine, that pet is really good. For trials i wouldn't recommend tho

SolarCat02

I love my Dragonknight healer. Too many people don't understand that any class can do any role.
Or get wrapped around the axle because only Templars can give stamina.

I have only run with a sorcerer healer once. They're probably the rarest of the four classes as healee, plus I usually play healer which is another factor. That sorcerer healer was absolutely solid, though. I didn't panic once, and I was on a level 10 stamplar with very low self-survivability at the time. Both DPS were stamina actually, and neither of us were upset to not have a Templar.

It's not your class that determines whether or not you can perform a role... It's how well you know that role and that character, and how well you set everything up. People who kick before even letting you try are probably not the ones you want to run with anyway.

SirMewser

Imo, any class can heal in any content efficiently. Over-healing is very common regardless of class that I don't think "class" itself is what defines capability.

I would group with you any day.
Sorry to hear that you've got kicked from groups for that reason, but think of it this way; they were short sighted, didn't deserve your service, and may of had to wait a while to find another healer if they got one at all.

Parablodia

My first char was a dd sorcerer but my friend group required a healer so i turned it to healer. We've done countless vet dungeons together with no problem. So yeah sorc's can heal!

KenaPKK

I do all roles on my mageblade and magicka sorc just fine.

xblackroxe

Of every class can heal but thats nit what a healer is about. A healer is there to buff/ debuff and support your ressources and thats simply what only a templar can really do. Everyone can spam heal and call him/herself a good healer but thats just the start not everything a healer is about.

UrQuan

xblackroxe wrote: »

Of every class can heal but thats nit what a healer is about. A healer is there to buff/ debuff and support your ressources and thats simply what only a templar can really do. Everyone can spam heal and call him/herself a good healer but thats just the start not everything a healer is about.

Non-Templar healers have lots of options to buff/debuff/support resources. There's Elemental Drain, Combat Prayer, Siphon Spirit, Orbs, War Horn, Igneous Weapons, Empowered Ward, etc.

Really the only thing that's unique to Templars is their ability to give out tons of stamina replenishment, but in 95% or more of the content that shouldn't be required unless your stamina users aren't even a little self-sufficient. For trials, yeah you probably want at least one or two Templars throwing shards. For pretty much anything else, you absolutely don't need a Templar.

exeeter702

Sorc has a stronger burst heal than Templar. Also provide minor sorcery and minor intellect. I.e. provide the beast means for passive magicka generation.

Dragon knight has major mending built into group shield that also gives himself stamina and ultimate. They also have the best group wide damage shield in the game via molten shell. They also give minor brut to entire group. For what it's worth, they can also give major to entire group if needed, freeing up a slot for some group members.

Nb gives passive crit rating to entire group, the strongest percent damage mitigation aoe buff in the game and can provide more dps then any of the other healers under not so uncommon circumstances thanks largely in part by siphoning attacks, letting them forgo sustain stats that other healers generally need, and thus letting them get more raw spell damage or crit.

For content that "matters", stacking 2 templar healers is overkill and redundant. For anything else, stamina and magicka group resource utility is not needed anyway.

SolarCat02

UrQuan wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Of every class can heal but thats nit what a healer is about. A healer is there to buff/ debuff and support your ressources and thats simply what only a templar can really do. Everyone can spam heal and call him/herself a good healer but thats just the start not everything a healer is about.

For trials, yeah you probably want at least one or two Templars throwing shards. For pretty much anything else, you absolutely don't need a Templar.

And there's no rule saying the Templar throwing shards has to be the healer! In fact, in high damage instances in Trials, if the tank needs shards to keep block up, it's best if the healers are healing and someone else is doing the shards every ten seconds.

BigBragg

People who kick right off the bat for any reason are just boring and unimaginative. Trying out unusual combinations and ideas is how progress is made.

exeeter702

Reposting from another thread as it is relevant.

crcraig wrote: »

It's pretty interesting how much attention I get for Sorcerer healing.

When I join pick-up-groups, some folks are ready to kick me instantly. Others are willing to give it a shot, but have a need to express their doubts. And no one ever says, "Ah yeah! A sorcerer healer!! Perfect!"

But I've had several dozen friend requests, many post-activity 30-minute question and answer sessions, and even a few guild invites due to people being surprised at the healing. The more my gear gets lined up and stats get closer to ideal, the lower my opinion becomes of the people who are so quick to behave like Templars are the only viable healing option.

Honestly, that in itslef is the problem with the current mentality of a good portion of the players in this game.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, healing on anything other than a templar is not unorthodox, it is not "going against the grain" of the games intended design. It is not a reas on to be viewed as unique and curious. It is not outside the norm.

Some players that, if you will forgive me, seem woefully uneducated in terms of how exactly this game is designed from a skill line / build stand point, seem to subscribe to the logic that because templars have a CLASS skill line associated with healing, they are by default the definitive healer. This is so ridiculously incorrect it's gotten to the point where zos really needs to do something to inform players, especially new ones.

Resto staff skill line exists for a reason, no that does not mean anyone can be a healer exclusively with it and it's skills alone. It means that it exists to augment the approach of whichever class is taking up the role as healer. Templars in particular are afforded the option to lean more on the side of there own inherent tools, whereas other healers in the game lean a little more into the resto staff and meet somewhere in the middle.

Let's pretend in the simple and perfect world of most naysayers here that the game is ass folows without any flexibility.

Nb and sorc are damage dealers, period
DK's are the tank
Templars are the healer

Why on earth would a sorc be given a powerful group heal? Why on earth would a nb be given the option to sacrifice a powerful ultimate that deals aoe damage and stuns for the traded effect of giving a powerful aoe heal for group memebers? Is the answer "because pvp and unique situations" ?. The list goes on.

And its all nonsense.

UrQuan

SolarCat02 wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Of every class can heal but thats nit what a healer is about. A healer is there to buff/ debuff and support your ressources and thats simply what only a templar can really do. Everyone can spam heal and call him/herself a good healer but thats just the start not everything a healer is about.

For trials, yeah you probably want at least one or two Templars throwing shards. For pretty much anything else, you absolutely don't need a Templar.

And there's no rule saying the Templar throwing shards has to be the healer! In fact, in high damage instances in Trials, if the tank needs shards to keep block up, it's best if the healers are healing and someone else is doing the shards every ten seconds.

Exactly. When I'm healing on my Templar for group dungeons I usually use shards pretty frequently because there's simply no need for me to be constantly healing, so I might as well spend non-healing time using an ability that contributes to the group DPS and provides stam support. In trials that may not be the case.

Qyrk

If it makes you feel better, I've healed normal trials as sorc healer (it's not a big deal really as it's normal mode), but you do get some surprised questions in the beginning asking, 'wait, do we even have a healer?'. Sometimes, I do have to remind them, but there's always people that will be skeptical.

And exeter is spot on, it is the mentality unfortunately.

newtinmpls

xblackroxe wrote: »

Of every class can heal but thats nit what a healer is about. A healer is there to buff/ debuff and support your ressources and thats simply what only a templar can really do. Everyone can spam heal and call him/herself a good healer but thats just the start not everything a healer is about.

I don't see much in the way of buff/debuff on Templars.

I see a LOT of it on DK's

We usually have the "who is running glowy weapons" and "do we need stamina shards" conversation when setting up for the dungeon.

xblackroxe

newtinmpls wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Of every class can heal but thats nit what a healer is about. A healer is there to buff/ debuff and support your ressources and thats simply what only a templar can really do. Everyone can spam heal and call him/herself a good healer but thats just the start not everything a healer is about.

I don't see much in the way of buff/debuff on Templars.

I see a LOT of it on DK's

We usually have the "who is running glowy weapons" and "do we need stamina shards" conversation when setting up for the dungeon.

What are dungeons even? I dont even need to change my skill on NB and can still heal through all dungeons just fine. There is no challenge in those so I´m not talking about that.
Also Templar has the only source of minor breach and fracture from skills in this game as well as minor sorcery both key buffs/debuffs to give. And stamina is usefull for everybody as also magicka users need to block/dodge stuff.

xblackroxe

UrQuan wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Of every class can heal but thats nit what a healer is about. A healer is there to buff/ debuff and support your ressources and thats simply what only a templar can really do. Everyone can spam heal and call him/herself a good healer but thats just the start not everything a healer is about.

Non-Templar healers have lots of options to buff/debuff/support resources. There's Elemental Drain, Combat Prayer, Siphon Spirit, Orbs, War Horn, Igneous Weapons, Empowered Ward, etc.

Really the only thing that's unique to Templars is their ability to give out tons of stamina replenishment, but in 95% or more of the content that shouldn't be required unless your stamina users aren't even a little self-sufficient. For trials, yeah you probably want at least one or two Templars throwing shards. For pretty much anything else, you absolutely don't need a Templar.

For everything but trials a healer is not required. I can come on any dd i have and survive ealsily without haveing a healer. Templars have Power of the Light which is the only non poison source for minor breach/fracture and the passive that grant minor sorcery. DK buffs/debuffs already come from the tank and everybody in a raid needs stamina as there are many things a mag dd also has to block/dodge.