Malestorm weapons are too OP!!

xblackroxe

Kammakazi wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Kammakazi wrote: »

I recently stopped using the 5 Twice-Born Star, 5 Vicious Ophidian, and Maelstrom Weapons combo in favor of 5 Night Mother's (3 Body, 2 Weapons), 5 Vicious Ophidian, and 2 Velidreth.

I complete content just fine, and I can beat Maelstrom Arena a lot quicker (about 4-5 minutes) with my new setup.

Tell me again how overpowered Maelstrom Axes and Daggers are

Maelstroimeweapons (especially DW/Bow) excell at sustained DPS and are the reason stambuilds are ahead of magicka-builds in terms of DPS atm. For Burst-DPS and AoE there are better Setups. And vMSA is all about burst/AoE.
But i doubt you can beat a maelstrome DW/bow setup on longer fights (rakkhat, manticora, first boss maw...) with your setup.

I've beat vMoL, vSO, vHC, vAA with my setup, what are you talking about lol.

I'm the Stamina debuffer in the group, and my damage is just fine against any add pull or boss we fight.

Ofc you can clear content without them. You should still be able to get around 30-35 up till 40k if you are good. And thats enough for all content. But still why not have 10k dps more if you can?

Kammakazi

xblackroxe wrote: »

Kammakazi wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Kammakazi wrote: »

I recently stopped using the 5 Twice-Born Star, 5 Vicious Ophidian, and Maelstrom Weapons combo in favor of 5 Night Mother's (3 Body, 2 Weapons), 5 Vicious Ophidian, and 2 Velidreth.

I complete content just fine, and I can beat Maelstrom Arena a lot quicker (about 4-5 minutes) with my new setup.

Tell me again how overpowered Maelstrom Axes and Daggers are

Maelstroimeweapons (especially DW/Bow) excell at sustained DPS and are the reason stambuilds are ahead of magicka-builds in terms of DPS atm. For Burst-DPS and AoE there are better Setups. And vMSA is all about burst/AoE.
But i doubt you can beat a maelstrome DW/bow setup on longer fights (rakkhat, manticora, first boss maw...) with your setup.

I've beat vMoL, vSO, vHC, vAA with my setup, what are you talking about lol.

I'm the Stamina debuffer in the group, and my damage is just fine against any add pull or boss we fight.

Ofc you can clear content without them. You should still be able to get around 30-35 up till 40k if you are good. And thats enough for all content. But still why not have 10k dps more if you can?

The reason why I don't use Maelstrom DW anymore is because I'm really tired of it. It's the same exact rotation on my character and it bores the hell out of me. It's literally been the same rotation for months now until the day I switched which was just last week. It's a fresh experience for me and no longer will I have to do the same exact rotation in order to get the most oh pee dee pee ess.

xblackroxe

Kammakazi wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Kammakazi wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Kammakazi wrote: »

I recently stopped using the 5 Twice-Born Star, 5 Vicious Ophidian, and Maelstrom Weapons combo in favor of 5 Night Mother's (3 Body, 2 Weapons), 5 Vicious Ophidian, and 2 Velidreth.

I complete content just fine, and I can beat Maelstrom Arena a lot quicker (about 4-5 minutes) with my new setup.

Tell me again how overpowered Maelstrom Axes and Daggers are

Maelstroimeweapons (especially DW/Bow) excell at sustained DPS and are the reason stambuilds are ahead of magicka-builds in terms of DPS atm. For Burst-DPS and AoE there are better Setups. And vMSA is all about burst/AoE.
But i doubt you can beat a maelstrome DW/bow setup on longer fights (rakkhat, manticora, first boss maw...) with your setup.

I've beat vMoL, vSO, vHC, vAA with my setup, what are you talking about lol.

I'm the Stamina debuffer in the group, and my damage is just fine against any add pull or boss we fight.

Ofc you can clear content without them. You should still be able to get around 30-35 up till 40k if you are good. And thats enough for all content. But still why not have 10k dps more if you can?

The reason why I don't use Maelstrom DW anymore is because I'm really tired of it. It's the same exact rotation on my character and it bores the hell out of me. It's literally been the same rotation for months now until the day I switched which was just last week. It's a fresh experience for me and no longer will I have to do the same exact rotation in order to get the most oh pee dee pee ess.

Every rotation stays the same. Doesn't matter which rotation you run it will be the same over and over again so I don't get it really.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Jaronking wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

sluice wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

Yes, vMA weapons are strong and that's ok. The only thing wrong about it is how ZOS approached it. They handed them out like candy in Sharpened and Precise before DB, and now it's almost impossible to get a usable weapon due to trait pollution of the loot table.

It's extremely unfair. Their decision to add those traits in DB is what drove me away from ESO.

If that's the case, then why haven't I gotten a single precise dagger, when I've ran it 4 times a week since it launched? This whole RNG with no foreseeable end is the issue, and it's all over the game.

That's like 172 total runs.

I don't know the odds of the previous system vMA offered... but with what is currently in place since Shadow of the Hist, the probability of getting a Precise dagger in 172 runs is 83.49%.

Say you can pull vMA runs in 45 minutes, that's 129 hours of playing the same content over and over and over and over again with a 16.51% chance of NOT getting that precise dagger.

But these are just probability, not certainty... better pray the RNG lords!
Or you, hope for a #VMATOKENSYSTEM

@sluice
Haha!!! Yes. Love the Sig!

We need to start a revolution. Seriously, what if we all stopped running it. #boycottVMA !?!

They just need to make the weapons tradeable with people who have completed it am sure many people would stop complaining because they have buddies who have the weapons the need in many forms.

That would also solve the problem pretty fast. I am sure I could find someone to give me a sharp bow or dagger for one of my many extra sharpened 2 handers that I rarely use. Sorry @sluice Haha.

acw37162

If it wasn't for VMA DW weapons DW would be almost invisible in end game play.

It would niche and RP.

And yes OP VMA weapons in particular DW are ridiculous and borderline OP.

You have end game raiding guilds requiring the weapons or the title to get raid spots. Which is cool I guess if you wanted to play solo content.

The RNG game dynamic right now is very off IMO and not great design.

Then again I absolutely hate Malestrom arena.

Jaronking

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

sluice wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

Yes, vMA weapons are strong and that's ok. The only thing wrong about it is how ZOS approached it. They handed them out like candy in Sharpened and Precise before DB, and now it's almost impossible to get a usable weapon due to trait pollution of the loot table.

It's extremely unfair. Their decision to add those traits in DB is what drove me away from ESO.

If that's the case, then why haven't I gotten a single precise dagger, when I've ran it 4 times a week since it launched? This whole RNG with no foreseeable end is the issue, and it's all over the game.

That's like 172 total runs.

I don't know the odds of the previous system vMA offered... but with what is currently in place since Shadow of the Hist, the probability of getting a Precise dagger in 172 runs is 83.49%.

Say you can pull vMA runs in 45 minutes, that's 129 hours of playing the same content over and over and over and over again with a 16.51% chance of NOT getting that precise dagger.

But these are just probability, not certainty... better pray the RNG lords!
Or you, hope for a #VMATOKENSYSTEM

@sluice
Haha!!! Yes. Love the Sig!

We need to start a revolution. Seriously, what if we all stopped running it. #boycottVMA !?!

They just need to make the weapons tradeable with people who have completed it am sure many people would stop complaining because they have buddies who have the weapons the need in many forms.

That would also solve the problem pretty fast. I am sure I could find someone to give me a sharp bow or dagger for one of my many extra sharpened 2 handers that I rarely use. Sorry @sluice Haha.

Come on @ZOS_GinaBruno and @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert let's make this happen.

FrostFallFox

I ran VMA multiple times a day without the dual-wield weapons and bow and did just fine.

Now that I've got the weapons (not in perfect traits though, I have precise and nirnhoned) I honestly prefer my old weapons.

Things die too quick for the buff to even matter.

Currently using 2 Sharpened Leki's Daggers with Weapon Damage and Crusher enchantments.

Honestly not OP when stuff dies hella quick.

xblackroxe

FrostFallFox wrote: »

I ran VMA multiple times a day without the dual-wield weapons and bow and did just fine.

Now that I've got the weapons (not in perfect traits though, I have precise and nirnhoned) I honestly prefer my old weapons.

Things die too quick for the buff to even matter.

Currently using 2 Sharpened Leki's Daggers with Weapon Damage and Crusher enchantments.

Honestly not OP when stuff dies hella quick.

OFC they aren´t for stuff that doesn´t live long enough to even to a dot after rapid strikes

but for everything that lives for more than 30-40 seconds they add just so much dps as they mostly double your weapon damage for all dots.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

SunBro wrote: »

@Oreyn_Bearclaw I agree that RNG can suck. I'm not opposed to a token system. Beating maelstrom a bunch of times is proof you can handle the content and there certainly should be a point where you're aptly rewarded. I have many weapons too and would happily exchange let's say 10 for a token for one of my choice with the trait of my choice

I actually really like the idea of weapons themselves being a token. Truthfully, you could make the number a lot higher than 10 and I would still be doing cartwheels. If you counted a sword/board as two tokens, we would finally have a use for that godawful POS.

Sidebar: Does anyone actually use the VMA sword/board?

As a tank, I can imagine no scenario in where the maul or sword would be BiS. Maybe for PvP, but there is no reason to have low slash do more damage in tanking. And the extra stam on fully charged heavys (only like 350ish) is much to low to be worth a damn. Even the master sword is not really worth running, the tank needs to be running a crusher enchant now a days for more dps.

FortheloveofKrist

SunBro wrote: »

Idk why ppl complain about maelstrom so much...it helps you become a better player and it rewards you for it. Who cares if it's solo..I'd rather that than ppl AFK in a group and getting rewarded. God forbid we gotta work for anything

Work for something. LOL. Yes, that's what you did, work.

Hilarious.

Wifeaggro13

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

Really the only real endgame weapons specially for dual wield are Malestorm weapons, they can alone add like 15k DPS or something no other full set in the game can do that. Also the way to get them is to do solo content for months to get the right one!!

What the heck?? What kind of Logic is that for an MMO? either make similar weapons drop in the game's group content like trials and dungeon or nerf Malestorm weapons so that they don't feel like a must!!

The Crybaby soloists had a kiniption over not having hard endgame content because they did not like Grouping. then maelstrom came out they promptly quit the game because the solo content was harder then any fourman they where crying about. now the people who actually play the MMO part and Pay Zos's bills are forced to play a meta DPs spec to obtain weapons for their end game 12 man trials lol. Good goin Fior!!!!!

sluice

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

sluice wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

Yes, vMA weapons are strong and that's ok. The only thing wrong about it is how ZOS approached it. They handed them out like candy in Sharpened and Precise before DB, and now it's almost impossible to get a usable weapon due to trait pollution of the loot table.

It's extremely unfair. Their decision to add those traits in DB is what drove me away from ESO.

If that's the case, then why haven't I gotten a single precise dagger, when I've ran it 4 times a week since it launched? This whole RNG with no foreseeable end is the issue, and it's all over the game.

That's like 172 total runs.

I don't know the odds of the previous system vMA offered... but with what is currently in place since Shadow of the Hist, the probability of getting a Precise dagger in 172 runs is 83.49%.

Say you can pull vMA runs in 45 minutes, that's 129 hours of playing the same content over and over and over and over again with a 16.51% chance of NOT getting that precise dagger.

But these are just probability, not certainty... better pray the RNG lords!
Or you, hope for a #VMATOKENSYSTEM

@sluice
Haha!!! Yes. Love the Sig!

We need to start a revolution. Seriously, what if we all stopped running it. #boycottVMA !?!

They just need to make the weapons tradeable with people who have completed it am sure many people would stop complaining because they have buddies who have the weapons the need in many forms.

That would also solve the problem pretty fast. I am sure I could find someone to give me a sharp bow or dagger for one of my many extra sharpened 2 handers that I rarely use. Sorry @sluice Haha.

The things I would do for a Sharpened 2H....

I would give a lifetime supply of


On another note, I got my first dagger yesterday... but it's charged..

Say I would get another charged dagger or axe.. would Maelstrom DW (in charged) be worth using over crafted sharpened (or other trait)?

Curious about what you think on the matter @Gilliamtherogue

Anzriel

xblackroxe wrote: »

Kammakazi wrote: »

xblackroxe wrote: »

Kammakazi wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Kammakazi wrote: »

I recently stopped using the 5 Twice-Born Star, 5 Vicious Ophidian, and Maelstrom Weapons combo in favor of 5 Night Mother's (3 Body, 2 Weapons), 5 Vicious Ophidian, and 2 Velidreth.

I complete content just fine, and I can beat Maelstrom Arena a lot quicker (about 4-5 minutes) with my new setup.

Tell me again how overpowered Maelstrom Axes and Daggers are

Maelstroimeweapons (especially DW/Bow) excell at sustained DPS and are the reason stambuilds are ahead of magicka-builds in terms of DPS atm. For Burst-DPS and AoE there are better Setups. And vMSA is all about burst/AoE.
But i doubt you can beat a maelstrome DW/bow setup on longer fights (rakkhat, manticora, first boss maw...) with your setup.

I've beat vMoL, vSO, vHC, vAA with my setup, what are you talking about lol.

I'm the Stamina debuffer in the group, and my damage is just fine against any add pull or boss we fight.

Ofc you can clear content without them. You should still be able to get around 30-35 up till 40k if you are good. And thats enough for all content. But still why not have 10k dps more if you can?

The reason why I don't use Maelstrom DW anymore is because I'm really tired of it. It's the same exact rotation on my character and it bores the hell out of me. It's literally been the same rotation for months now until the day I switched which was just last week. It's a fresh experience for me and no longer will I have to do the same exact rotation in order to get the most oh pee dee pee ess.

Every rotation stays the same. Doesn't matter which rotation you run it will be the same over and over again so I don't get it really.

It's the special snowflake syndrome. Some people want to be different just to be different...... even if what they do isn't really THAT different.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

sluice wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

sluice wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

Yes, vMA weapons are strong and that's ok. The only thing wrong about it is how ZOS approached it. They handed them out like candy in Sharpened and Precise before DB, and now it's almost impossible to get a usable weapon due to trait pollution of the loot table.

It's extremely unfair. Their decision to add those traits in DB is what drove me away from ESO.

If that's the case, then why haven't I gotten a single precise dagger, when I've ran it 4 times a week since it launched? This whole RNG with no foreseeable end is the issue, and it's all over the game.

That's like 172 total runs.

I don't know the odds of the previous system vMA offered... but with what is currently in place since Shadow of the Hist, the probability of getting a Precise dagger in 172 runs is 83.49%.

Say you can pull vMA runs in 45 minutes, that's 129 hours of playing the same content over and over and over and over again with a 16.51% chance of NOT getting that precise dagger.

But these are just probability, not certainty... better pray the RNG lords!
Or you, hope for a #VMATOKENSYSTEM

@sluice
Haha!!! Yes. Love the Sig!

We need to start a revolution. Seriously, what if we all stopped running it. #boycottVMA !?!

They just need to make the weapons tradeable with people who have completed it am sure many people would stop complaining because they have buddies who have the weapons the need in many forms.

That would also solve the problem pretty fast. I am sure I could find someone to give me a sharp bow or dagger for one of my many extra sharpened 2 handers that I rarely use. Sorry @sluice Haha.

The things I would do for a Sharpened 2H....

I would give a lifetime supply of


On another note, I got my first dagger yesterday... but it's charged..

Say I would get another charged dagger or axe.. would Maelstrom DW (in charged) be worth using over crafted sharpened (or other trait)?

Curious about what you think on the matter @Gilliamtherogue

I think with DW and bow, you run anything you get. With Inferno, only sharpened is superior to crafted unless you are backbaring it.

sluice

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

sluice wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

sluice wrote: »

Gilliamtherogue wrote: »

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

Yes, vMA weapons are strong and that's ok. The only thing wrong about it is how ZOS approached it. They handed them out like candy in Sharpened and Precise before DB, and now it's almost impossible to get a usable weapon due to trait pollution of the loot table.

It's extremely unfair. Their decision to add those traits in DB is what drove me away from ESO.

If that's the case, then why haven't I gotten a single precise dagger, when I've ran it 4 times a week since it launched? This whole RNG with no foreseeable end is the issue, and it's all over the game.

That's like 172 total runs.

I don't know the odds of the previous system vMA offered... but with what is currently in place since Shadow of the Hist, the probability of getting a Precise dagger in 172 runs is 83.49%.

Say you can pull vMA runs in 45 minutes, that's 129 hours of playing the same content over and over and over and over again with a 16.51% chance of NOT getting that precise dagger.

But these are just probability, not certainty... better pray the RNG lords!
Or you, hope for a #VMATOKENSYSTEM

@sluice
Haha!!! Yes. Love the Sig!

We need to start a revolution. Seriously, what if we all stopped running it. #boycottVMA !?!

They just need to make the weapons tradeable with people who have completed it am sure many people would stop complaining because they have buddies who have the weapons the need in many forms.

That would also solve the problem pretty fast. I am sure I could find someone to give me a sharp bow or dagger for one of my many extra sharpened 2 handers that I rarely use. Sorry @sluice Haha.

The things I would do for a Sharpened 2H....

I would give a lifetime supply of


On another note, I got my first dagger yesterday... but it's charged..

Say I would get another charged dagger or axe.. would Maelstrom DW (in charged) be worth using over crafted sharpened (or other trait)?

Curious about what you think on the matter @Gilliamtherogue

I think with DW and bow, you run anything you get. With Inferno, only sharpened is superior to crafted unless you are backbaring it.

Good to know, I just got another Dagger today in my daily run. This one is defending.

Not sure if I want to make them gold though. With my luck I'll probably get a sharpened or precise right after!

LegendaryArcher

I gave vMA 49 more runs, reaching exactly 300 runs (200 before DB, 1 after DB, 99 after SotH) without a single Sharpened Inferno, Sharpened Maul, or Sharpened Bow. I did, however, get my very first Inferno Staff. Powered (higher healing output, yay).

I uninstalled ESO again and will not be coming back anytime soon. Going back to Black Desert. When weapons are made almost unobtainable or extremely rare, they should be made equally rare for everyone. Handing them out before DB and then making them unobtainable was a ridiculous decision on ZOS's part. I consider myself a hardcore gamer and BiS weapons should be obtainable to skilled, dedicated players. Once this is the case here, I might consider coming back.

@ZOS_Finn @Wrobel @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_GinaBruno