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Malestorm weapons are too OP!!
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CasNation✭✭✭✭✭OrphanHelgen wrote: »a friend of mine got 46k on bloodspawn with one warhorn and combat prayer, no maelstrom weapons.
They are strong yes, but its fully possible to create builds without them.
This number doesn't matter unless you also provide the number he got WITH vMA weapons under the same conditions. If he really is that great, then vMA weapons would be an insane boost to his DPS comparatively.
The issue with vMA weapons isn't that it is impossible to make a decent build without them, it is that they offer an insane % boost over those who don't use them. Being BiS is fine. Being BiS by 20-30% is not.PC NA AD
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✭LegendaryArcher wrote: »Yes, vMA weapons are strong and that's ok. The only thing wrong about it is how ZOS approached it. They handed them out like candy in Sharpened and Precise before DB, and now it's almost impossible to get a usable weapon due to trait pollution of the loot table.
It's extremely unfair. Their decision to add those traits in DB is what drove me away from ESO.
If that's the case, then why haven't I gotten a single precise dagger, when I've ran it 4 times a week since it launched? This whole RNG with no foreseeable end is the issue, and it's all over the game.Old member of The Order of Mundus, Mostly Harmless, Hostile, and Genesis Elite. Avid theorycrafter. Herald to competitive stamina DPS pre 1.5. How far we've come!
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sluice✭✭✭✭Gilliamtherogue wrote: »LegendaryArcher wrote: »Yes, vMA weapons are strong and that's ok. The only thing wrong about it is how ZOS approached it. They handed them out like candy in Sharpened and Precise before DB, and now it's almost impossible to get a usable weapon due to trait pollution of the loot table.
It's extremely unfair. Their decision to add those traits in DB is what drove me away from ESO.
If that's the case, then why haven't I gotten a single precise dagger, when I've ran it 4 times a week since it launched? This whole RNG with no foreseeable end is the issue, and it's all over the game.
That's like 172 total runs.
I don't know the odds of the previous system vMA offered... but with what is currently in place since Shadow of the Hist, the probability of getting a Precise dagger in 172 runs is 83.49%.
Say you can pull vMA runs in 45 minutes, that's 129 hours of playing the same content over and over and over and over again with a 16.51% chance of NOT getting that precise dagger.
But these are just probability, not certainty... better pray the RNG lords!
Or you, hope for a #VMATOKENSYSTEM
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✭✭OrphanHelgen wrote: »a friend of mine got 46k on bloodspawn with one warhorn and combat prayer, no maelstrom weapons.
They are strong yes, but its fully possible to create builds without them.
This number doesn't matter unless you also provide the number he got WITH vMA weapons under the same conditions. If he really is that great, then vMA weapons would be an insane boost to his DPS comparatively.
The issue with vMA weapons isn't that it is impossible to make a decent build without them, it is that they offer an insane % boost over those who don't use them. Being BiS is fine. Being BiS by 20-30% is not.
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✭Gilliamtherogue wrote: »This whole RNG with no foreseeable end is the issue, and it's all over the game.
RNG will always hold a broad stroke over the game in ESO. Simply keeps people subbing. If you got your vMA weapons, would you continue to sub and/or 1 less reason not to buy Wrothgar. They will continue to push BiS items in DLC areas to force people to paytoplay, i have never doubted this.
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Panda_iMunch✭✭✭✭I don't mind having a "best weapons for general builds" as long as there were alternatives, but there isn't any from what I can tell. While it may not be needed for most places, there is just no competition with it.0 -
sluice✭✭✭✭Gilliamtherogue wrote: »This whole RNG with no foreseeable end is the issue, and it's all over the game.
RNG will always hold a broad stroke over the game in ESO. Simply keeps people subbing. If you got your vMA weapons, would you continue to sub and/or 1 less reason not to buy Wrothgar. They will continue to push BiS items in DLC areas to force people to paytoplay, i have never doubted this.
I would actually...- 1500 crowns per month
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I strictly play on Daggerfall Covenant for when it comes to PvPDaggerfall Covenant
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Anýa - Bosmer Nightblade (0..50)
Aldmeri Dominion (PvE only)
Arýä - Altmer Sorcerer (50)
Marksar - Breton Templar (50)
Maksar - Bosmer Nightblade (50)
sluice - Imperial Dragonknight (0..50) R.I.P.
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#VMATOKENSYSTEM #TRAITCHANGE
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SwaminoNowlino✭✭✭✭✭Gilliamtherogue wrote: »This whole RNG with no foreseeable end is the issue, and it's all over the game.
RNG will always hold a broad stroke over the game in ESO. Simply keeps people subbing. If you got your vMA weapons, would you continue to sub and/or 1 less reason not to buy Wrothgar. They will continue to push BiS items in DLC areas to force people to paytoplay, i have never doubted this.
I would actually...- 1500 crowns per month
- Access to all DLC
- 10% increased experience
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✭QuebraRegra wrote: »3k weapon damage to my spammable, to Dawnbreaker's dot and to my rearming trap and poison injection is indeed a large boost. It's too amazing to choose something else. Even my infused axe is better than my previous crafted one.
And I don't even speak about stamDK who get such a boost on their venomous claw.
great.. sounds balanced.
Wait, is that even a goal in ESO?
It's pretty clear @Wrobel wants STA classes to dominate DPS and survivability. And it's clear that he wants the STA DK to be by far on top.
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✭Idk why ppl complain about maelstrom so much...it helps you become a better player and it rewards you for it. Who cares if it's solo..I'd rather that than ppl AFK in a group and getting rewarded. God forbid we gotta work for anything
Some people just don't like it, has nothing to do with "working for it", it's a frikkin video game. I cannot STAND PvP in this game, something about it annoys the hell out of me.0 -
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✭✭✭✭It is pretty harsh to miss out on the most powerful items in the game because you don't want to spend hours mastering solo content in an MMO. I wouldn't remove Maelstrom weapons. I would nerf the 1handers a bit and I would put competitive weapons in group content(I don't view Master Weapons to be competitive other than the restoration staff.) Maybe make hard mode trials drop some kind of unique weapon or something.
Note: I have done Maelstrom arena enough to have at least one copy every weapon in a desirable trait. This isn't the comment of someone that can't complete it.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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Majic✭✭✭✭✭Forecast: Masculine
I strongly suspect the spelling is deliberate, probably for satirical and memetic value, as well as a clever and endearing shout-out to the timeless legacy of The Weather Girls.MAELSTROM
MAEL-STROM
Mael, not male. Strom, not storm.
I understand autocorrect is a pain in the arse sometimes, but maelstrom is a real word and if you use it then autocorrect does start to follow your lead.
As for the Malestorm weapons themselves, I feel the urge to prioritize getting some so I will have adequate cause to scream my indignation in the forums when the inevitable nerf comes.
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✭✭✭✭✭It's hard to take your post seriously when you start with a completely false premise. VMA weapons do not add 15k DPS. Yes they are BIS, but it aint 15k.2 -
Jimmy✭✭✭✭✭Daggers and Inferno staffs are clearly RNG'd at different rates then everything else. I have a ton of everything yet have ZERO Inferno staffs and 1 Dagger.
It's not just me though, it's everyone. Which clearly shows ZOS has the drop chance reduced on purpose for those two weapons.
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✭Gilliamtherogue wrote: »LegendaryArcher wrote: »Yes, vMA weapons are strong and that's ok. The only thing wrong about it is how ZOS approached it. They handed them out like candy in Sharpened and Precise before DB, and now it's almost impossible to get a usable weapon due to trait pollution of the loot table.
It's extremely unfair. Their decision to add those traits in DB is what drove me away from ESO.
If that's the case, then why haven't I gotten a single precise dagger, when I've ran it 4 times a week since it launched? This whole RNG with no foreseeable end is the issue, and it's all over the game.
That's like 172 total runs.
I don't know the odds of the previous system vMA offered... but with what is currently in place since Shadow of the Hist, the probability of getting a Precise dagger in 172 runs is 83.49%.
Say you can pull vMA runs in 45 minutes, that's 129 hours of playing the same content over and over and over and over again with a 16.51% chance of NOT getting that precise dagger.
But these are just probability, not certainty... better pray the RNG lords!
Or you, hope for a #VMATOKENSYSTEM
I've actually cleared over 300 times, I do more than just weekly runs. I clear vMA in about ~37m per toon, some less some more. When I started it was ~1 hr - 1hr 10m. I've spent over 200 hours in Maelstrom and still don't have what I need. I don't even have ONE of what I need, which I need two of.Edited by Gilliamtherogue on September 1, 2016 7:41PMOld member of The Order of Mundus, Mostly Harmless, Hostile, and Genesis Elite. Avid theorycrafter. Herald to competitive stamina DPS pre 1.5. How far we've come!
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SunBro✭✭Khaos_Bane wrote: »Idk why ppl complain about maelstrom so much...it helps you become a better player and it rewards you for it. Who cares if it's solo..I'd rather that than ppl AFK in a group and getting rewarded. God forbid we gotta work for anything
Some people just don't like it, has nothing to do with "working for it", it's a frikkin video game. I cannot STAND PvP in this game, something about it annoys the hell out of me.
It's a MMO. Generally MMOs require a lot of time and work to get good things. I used to play final fantasy 11 for prob 10yrs and that game required waaaaaay more work to get stuff. I realize some ppl like things that others don't and vice versa but if I was someone that didn't like a lot of aspects of a game or a game that requires effort I'd ask myself "why am I even here?" It's pretty simple if you don't like something don't do it but don't complain if you can't get a skill or item. Don't like PVP then no PVP skills. Don't like maelstrom no weapons. I'm no pro but no content in this game is THAT hard1 -
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@sluiceGilliamtherogue wrote: »LegendaryArcher wrote: »Yes, vMA weapons are strong and that's ok. The only thing wrong about it is how ZOS approached it. They handed them out like candy in Sharpened and Precise before DB, and now it's almost impossible to get a usable weapon due to trait pollution of the loot table.
It's extremely unfair. Their decision to add those traits in DB is what drove me away from ESO.
If that's the case, then why haven't I gotten a single precise dagger, when I've ran it 4 times a week since it launched? This whole RNG with no foreseeable end is the issue, and it's all over the game.
That's like 172 total runs.
I don't know the odds of the previous system vMA offered... but with what is currently in place since Shadow of the Hist, the probability of getting a Precise dagger in 172 runs is 83.49%.
Say you can pull vMA runs in 45 minutes, that's 129 hours of playing the same content over and over and over and over again with a 16.51% chance of NOT getting that precise dagger.
But these are just probability, not certainty... better pray the RNG lords!
Or you, hope for a #VMATOKENSYSTEM
Haha!!! Yes. Love the Sig!
We need to start a revolution. Seriously, what if we all stopped running it. #boycottVMA !?!0 -
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They just need to make the weapons tradeable with people who have completed it am sure many people would stop complaining because they have buddies who have the weapons the need in many forms.Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »
@sluiceGilliamtherogue wrote: »LegendaryArcher wrote: »Yes, vMA weapons are strong and that's ok. The only thing wrong about it is how ZOS approached it. They handed them out like candy in Sharpened and Precise before DB, and now it's almost impossible to get a usable weapon due to trait pollution of the loot table.
It's extremely unfair. Their decision to add those traits in DB is what drove me away from ESO.
If that's the case, then why haven't I gotten a single precise dagger, when I've ran it 4 times a week since it launched? This whole RNG with no foreseeable end is the issue, and it's all over the game.
That's like 172 total runs.
I don't know the odds of the previous system vMA offered... but with what is currently in place since Shadow of the Hist, the probability of getting a Precise dagger in 172 runs is 83.49%.
Say you can pull vMA runs in 45 minutes, that's 129 hours of playing the same content over and over and over and over again with a 16.51% chance of NOT getting that precise dagger.
But these are just probability, not certainty... better pray the RNG lords!
Or you, hope for a #VMATOKENSYSTEM
Haha!!! Yes. Love the Sig!
We need to start a revolution. Seriously, what if we all stopped running it. #boycottVMA !?!0 -
Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭vMSA is not even hard anymore. Just make a sorc craft some julianos, grap some kena and willpower and youll be beating it in no time. There is nothing wrong with having to work a bit to get something you want rather then just having the best in slot gear handed to you.Khaos_Bane wrote: »Idk why ppl complain about maelstrom so much...it helps you become a better player and it rewards you for it. Who cares if it's solo..I'd rather that than ppl AFK in a group and getting rewarded. God forbid we gotta work for anything
Some people just don't like it, has nothing to do with "working for it", it's a frikkin video game. I cannot STAND PvP in this game, something about it annoys the hell out of me.
It's a MMO. Generally MMOs require a lot of time and work to get good things. I used to play final fantasy 11 for prob 10yrs and that game required waaaaaay more work to get stuff. I realize some ppl like things that others don't and vice versa but if I was someone that didn't like a lot of aspects of a game or a game that requires effort I'd ask myself "why am I even here?" It's pretty simple if you don't like something don't do it but don't complain if you can't get a skill or item. Don't like PVP then no PVP skills. Don't like maelstrom no weapons. I'm no pro but no content in this game is THAT hard
It is not a question of difficulty or requiring effort and hard work to get what you want. It is about the unreasonable possibility of not getting what you are after no matter how good or how skilled you are. Nobody is suggesting these be given away. As someone that has at least one of every VMA weapon (10+ of some), but is still missing some key traits on a few, I would be outraged if they started giving them away or making them ridiculously easy to obtain.
What all of us that are complaining about this want is a clear path to get what we are after. Even if it took 50 clears to get enough tokens for a specific weapon, it would be far better than it is right now. It would certainly encourage me to run it more than I do.
The math of people like @Recremen and @sluice perfectly illustrate just how bad the system is. @Gilliamtherogue is probably one of the best DPS on NA, and he is proof of what this system can do to even to the most skilled players. I aint that good, but I certainly can farm this place in my sleep in 50-55 minutes. I just dont have the time in the day, nor the desire to continually run this place knowing there is a decent chance I will never get what I am after.
The system is beyond broken, and good players have left/are leaving the game because of it. If this was just for some random armor set for a niche build, it wouldnt be an issue. But these weapons are BIS for most things.
@ZOS_GinaBruno Will we ever get a comment on this? If the plan is to never change, just tell us already.
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SunBro✭✭@Oreyn_Bearclaw I agree that RNG can suck. I'm not opposed to a token system. Beating maelstrom a bunch of times is proof you can handle the content and there certainly should be a point where you're aptly rewarded. I have many weapons too and would happily exchange let's say 10 for a token for one of my choice with the trait of my choice0
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Elephant42✭✭✭✭It's never ceased to amaze me how so many people willingly accept gating powerful loot behind difficult/tedious/timewasting content.
Difficult content should award cosmetic items, titles and leaderboard rankings, it should not award power items that are not obtainable by other means.
Roger Federer does NOT get a 20% bigger raquet for winning a tournament - he gets a gold trophy, lots of $$$, and his name in all the newspapers.
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✭✭✭✭✭@Oreyn_Bearclaw I agree that RNG can suck. I'm not opposed to a token system. Beating maelstrom a bunch of times is proof you can handle the content and there certainly should be a point where you're aptly rewarded. I have many weapons too and would happily exchange let's say 10 for a token for one of my choice with the trait of my choice
I actually really like the idea of weapons themselves being a token. Truthfully, you could make the number a lot higher than 10 and I would still be doing cartwheels. If you counted a sword/board as two tokens, we would finally have a use for that godawful POS.
Sidebar: Does anyone actually use the VMA sword/board?2 -
Paraflex✭✭✭✭Mael is hard for a reason. Mael should be where the best weapons come from. It's hard to beat it your first time let alone 50 runs for the perfect weap. You sir are a carebear and i can't ever agree with people who want free handouts in any game just because its to hard for them. You need to invest your time into mael and improve your skills I hope they never set the bar low for people who want easy content go play mario party or something.Hollykills CP 630 Templar Healer - Ad PS4 Warlord Rank
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✭✭I recently stopped using the 5 Twice-Born Star, 5 Vicious Ophidian, and Maelstrom Weapons combo in favor of 5 Night Mother's (3 Body, 2 Weapons), 5 Vicious Ophidian, and 2 Velidreth.
I complete content just fine, and I can beat Maelstrom Arena a lot quicker (about 4-5 minutes) with my new setup.
Tell me again how overpowered Maelstrom Axes and Daggers are
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xblackroxe✭✭✭✭✭I recently stopped using the 5 Twice-Born Star, 5 Vicious Ophidian, and Maelstrom Weapons combo in favor of 5 Night Mother's (3 Body, 2 Weapons), 5 Vicious Ophidian, and 2 Velidreth.
I complete content just fine, and I can beat Maelstrom Arena a lot quicker (about 4-5 minutes) with my new setup.
Tell me again how overpowered Maelstrom Axes and Daggers are
If you can easily pull 10+ k more dps on any trial boss with those weapons then yes they are op. Vma doesn't count bc most stuff dies before you can even apply an empowered dot.
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✭✭I recently stopped using the 5 Twice-Born Star, 5 Vicious Ophidian, and Maelstrom Weapons combo in favor of 5 Night Mother's (3 Body, 2 Weapons), 5 Vicious Ophidian, and 2 Velidreth.
I complete content just fine, and I can beat Maelstrom Arena a lot quicker (about 4-5 minutes) with my new setup.
Tell me again how overpowered Maelstrom Axes and Daggers are
Maelstroimeweapons (especially DW/Bow) excell at sustained DPS and are the reason stambuilds are ahead of magicka-builds in terms of DPS atm. For Burst-DPS and AoE there are better Setups. And vMSA is all about burst/AoE.
But i doubt you can beat a maelstrome DW/bow setup on longer fights (rakkhat, manticora, first boss maw...) with your setup.Noobplar1 -
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You simply can't. There is no other 2pc bonus that gives you 10k+ dps in this game. Well its a actually 3 pc as you need the bow too.I recently stopped using the 5 Twice-Born Star, 5 Vicious Ophidian, and Maelstrom Weapons combo in favor of 5 Night Mother's (3 Body, 2 Weapons), 5 Vicious Ophidian, and 2 Velidreth.
I complete content just fine, and I can beat Maelstrom Arena a lot quicker (about 4-5 minutes) with my new setup.
Tell me again how overpowered Maelstrom Axes and Daggers are
Maelstroimeweapons (especially DW/Bow) excell at sustained DPS and are the reason stambuilds are ahead of magicka-builds in terms of DPS atm. For Burst-DPS and AoE there are better Setups. And vMSA is all about burst/AoE.
But i doubt you can beat a maelstrome DW/bow setup on longer fights (rakkhat, manticora, first boss maw...) with your setup.
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Kammakazi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I recently stopped using the 5 Twice-Born Star, 5 Vicious Ophidian, and Maelstrom Weapons combo in favor of 5 Night Mother's (3 Body, 2 Weapons), 5 Vicious Ophidian, and 2 Velidreth.
I complete content just fine, and I can beat Maelstrom Arena a lot quicker (about 4-5 minutes) with my new setup.
Tell me again how overpowered Maelstrom Axes and Daggers are
Maelstroimeweapons (especially DW/Bow) excell at sustained DPS and are the reason stambuilds are ahead of magicka-builds in terms of DPS atm. For Burst-DPS and AoE there are better Setups. And vMSA is all about burst/AoE.
But i doubt you can beat a maelstrome DW/bow setup on longer fights (rakkhat, manticora, first boss maw...) with your setup.
I've beat vMoL, vSO, vHC, vAA with my setup, what are you talking about lol.
I'm the Stamina debuffer in the group, and my damage is just fine against any add pull or boss we fight.
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Destruent✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I recently stopped using the 5 Twice-Born Star, 5 Vicious Ophidian, and Maelstrom Weapons combo in favor of 5 Night Mother's (3 Body, 2 Weapons), 5 Vicious Ophidian, and 2 Velidreth.
I complete content just fine, and I can beat Maelstrom Arena a lot quicker (about 4-5 minutes) with my new setup.
Tell me again how overpowered Maelstrom Axes and Daggers are
Maelstroimeweapons (especially DW/Bow) excell at sustained DPS and are the reason stambuilds are ahead of magicka-builds in terms of DPS atm. For Burst-DPS and AoE there are better Setups. And vMSA is all about burst/AoE.
But i doubt you can beat a maelstrome DW/bow setup on longer fights (rakkhat, manticora, first boss maw...) with your setup.
I've beat vMoL, vSO, vHC, vAA with my setup, what are you talking about lol.
I'm the Stamina debuffer in the group, and my damage is just fine against any add pull or boss we fight.
You can just change velidreth for Maelstrome-DW on bossfights to have the same support and more DPS...Edited by Destruent on September 1, 2016 9:21PMNoobplar1