Will we be able to opt out of One Tamriel's battle-leveling system?

Dahveed

Hiya.

I am a pretty casual ESO player (still nowhere even close to CP cap after almost 2 years), but I still like to be challenged by the content.

Currently my level 50 Dragon Knight is at CP 70, but I'm doing Craglorn stuff and mostly getting my butt kicked, which is great. I have managed to complete about a dozen quests and 3 or 4 group delves by myself, despite it being a group zone which greatly outlevels my character. I die a lot, and I fail a lot... I am currently stuck on Craglorn's main quest because the Trial dungeon (forget the name) keeps destroying me... but I plan on leveling up another 10 or 20 CPs to try again later.

However I am worried that once One Tamriel comes out, this will ruin my way of playing. If I am auto-scaled to the zone's level I worry that all the quests will once again become an idiotic face-roll, just like all the rest of this game's leveling.

I have made a couple different new discussions on the forums asking for various forms of difficulty sliders (my best idea would be a player-centered debuff), but most short-sighted posters just yell me out of the forums and tell me to "make my own challenge" by doing stuff that outlevels me, i.e. Craglorn. But it seems that this will no longer be possible.

Will I be able to disable battle-leveling so that the entire game doesn't become a giant, boring faceroll again?

itsfatbass

From the way I understand it, the answer is quite simply, no.

Each zone will have a set level for the npcs, and in turn also the PC's (you and I). Meaning, when you enter the zone, if you are not already of level, you will automatically be leveled up to the same level as the zone.

I would not base anything on Craglorn though, they have admitted (and are fixing it with the same patch) that it was much harder than they meant and after update 12, it will be doable with 1-2 (or 4) if you prefer.

AGrz5585

With one tamriel I believe that the content auto levels to you instead of battle leveling you to the content.

And besides... craglorn is being dumbed down anyway to make it solo friendly with update 12


Anyways we will know more in the coming weeks once pts goes up

Mettaricana

I'd be fine with battle leveling if they made all enemies either smarter or hit harder like imperial city at launch difficulty where more than 3 enemies on a dps or healer my spell your doom quickly

Dahveed

My argument about ESO in general is that the game has vast potential which is squandered by the childishly stupid difficulty of solo questing. Literally nothing kills you ever unless you are utterly incompetent and don't know how to press buttons on a keyboard.

I like to feel like my character is relatively weak compared to the enemies but can (and will) get stronger to face the challenges by crafting, buffing, leveling etc.

In a previous forum post I put up a video of my level 7 naked, CP-less noob Nightblade running around one-shotting stuff.. then running into a pack of level 12s and killing them all without breaking a sweat.

It's hard to get excited about rolling a new character when I know how excruciatingly boring everything will be forever.

LadyLethalla

IMO it would have been better to to implement something like in Borderlands 2, for group dungeons and trials. If you join a friend or they join you in B2, a message pops up that says "the monsters of (whatever place name it is) just got stronger!" = meaning that there were either more of them or they got more hit points because you weren't soloing. Or both, idk.

Hopefully that is what they're doing with the Craglorn revamp.

DHale

not a chance.

starkerealm

LadyLethalla wrote: »

IMO it would have been better to to implement something like in Borderlands 2, for group dungeons and trials. If you join a friend or they join you in B2, a message pops up that says "the monsters of (whatever place name it is) just got stronger!" = meaning that there were either more of them or they got more hit points because you weren't soloing. Or both, idk.

Hopefully that is what they're doing with the Craglorn revamp.

This was an old Diablo 2 thing, as I recall. It works well for instanced content, not so great for open world stuff.

disintegr8

As long as we get scaled down to content I will be happy.

radiostar

I would rather be able to travel everywhere and not get the bat-lev boost. That would be way more fun!

Mayrael

Yeah... Questing is just so easy that it isnt challenging at all, it would be awesome that quests would require some thinking and strength like it used to be in old veteran zones (right after launch) when I had to rebuild my toons as I couldnt handle more than one group of mobs, or IC when skyshard hunting was like a jurney into war zone where, I was happy when it was a player who attacked me not some random mobs... This easy mode kills PvE and questing totaly...

Darkonflare15

radiostar wrote: »

I would rather be able to travel everywhere and not get the bat-lev boost. That would be way more fun!

You can do that now.

Mayrael wrote: »

Yeah... Questing is just so easy that it isnt challenging at all, it would be awesome that quests would require some thinking and strength like it used to be in old veteran zones (right after launch) when I had to rebuild my toons as I couldnt handle more than one group of mobs, or IC when skyshard hunting was like a jurney into war zone where, I was happy when it was a player who attacked me not some random mobs... This easy mode kills PvE and questing totaly...

I remember that time. It was not much of challenge in the sense that you had to think. It was more of the fact the enemies were so cheap that you will die walking pass them. I had to completly make my character into something I did not want just to get through the areas. That was not fun. That was just a pain especially when certain classes had it rough back then and DK was god mode.

FloppyTouch

Remember the out cry of the vet zones being "to hard" and having to think about ur skills and build to kill just 3 enemies at the same time ugh I miss those days. I really wish they would buff the npcs make them smarter instead of this constant nerf to them.

radiostar

Not from level 3

ADarklore

AGrz5585 wrote: »

With one tamriel I believe that the content auto levels to you instead of battle leveling you to the content.

And besides... craglorn is being dumbed down anyway to make it solo friendly with update 12


Anyways we will know more in the coming weeks once pts goes up

It will work exactly as Orsinium does now, they want the entire game to play like Orsinium as it was the model and inspiration behind One Tamriel.

Bonzodog01

Some of you seem to mis-understand the way One Tamriel is going to work.

So, the entire game, all maps, will be CP160. Your character will be battle-levelled to CP150 if you are below that.

With the way the BL system currently works, it means you will be at your most OP around level 35, when the system gives you far greater boosts than you can possibly attain once you hit CP160.

With One Tamriel, when you start a new char, you will be placed on the starter island of the faction you chose in the creator.

However, you won't need to do that alliance if you don't actually want to. When you first zone in, the wayshrines on the other starter islands for the other factions will also become available. You can wander freely around Tamriel, and all mobs will be the same strength, and it will only be you getting stronger.

For crafting nodes, they will be on the 50/50 system already implemented in the DLC zones, whereby the node will either be your character level or your crafting level.

I suspect that come implementation all that will happen is everyones chars will simply be transferred to the "gold" version of their current alliance zones if the char is parked in one.

Remember, the CP160 version of all the alliance zones already exists in the form of the Cadwells Gold areas. After that, they will switch off the old versions of the zones, and probably use the server space to allow for more phases and instances of each zone to prevent overcrowding, and for future DLC's such as Vvardenfell.

sadownik

ADarklore wrote: »

AGrz5585 wrote: »

With one tamriel I believe that the content auto levels to you instead of battle leveling you to the content.

And besides... craglorn is being dumbed down anyway to make it solo friendly with update 12


Anyways we will know more in the coming weeks once pts goes up

It will work exactly as Orsinium does now, they want the entire game to play like Orsinium as it was the model and inspiration behind One Tamriel.

My thought exactly and why i dont like the idea so far

Dubhliam

To answer your question: NO

Avenias

Dahveed wrote: »

Hiya.

I am a pretty casual ESO player (still nowhere even close to CP cap after almost 2 years), but I still like to be challenged by the content.

Currently my level 50 Dragon Knight is at CP 70, but I'm doing Craglorn stuff and mostly getting my butt kicked, which is great. I have managed to complete about a dozen quests and 3 or 4 group delves by myself, despite it being a group zone which greatly outlevels my character. I die a lot, and I fail a lot... I am currently stuck on Craglorn's main quest because the Trial dungeon (forget the name) keeps destroying me... but I plan on leveling up another 10 or 20 CPs to try again later.

However I am worried that once One Tamriel comes out, this will ruin my way of playing. If I am auto-scaled to the zone's level I worry that all the quests will once again become an idiotic face-roll, just like all the rest of this game's leveling.

I have made a couple different new discussions on the forums asking for various forms of difficulty sliders (my best idea would be a player-centered debuff), but most short-sighted posters just yell me out of the forums and tell me to "make my own challenge" by doing stuff that outlevels me, i.e. Craglorn. But it seems that this will no longer be possible.

Will I be able to disable battle-leveling so that the entire game doesn't become a giant, boring faceroll again?

One of the reason i dont bother about pve content and stick with pvp. As for party content like dungeons, broken party system and a crappy loot rate discourages me from even bothering with those. I will wait for one tamriel then i can play with friends who are scattered across diff factions.

notimetocare

Questing has never been something that games were really wanted to make challenging. Some games have had more challenging Quest, group Quest, and even challenge modes. But really the leveling process has been easy and almost every game. Not talking about time but just the actual challenge. ESO is easy compared to some but not that much.

shadelon

Dahveed wrote: »

Hiya.

I am a pretty casual ESO player (still nowhere even close to CP cap after almost 2 years), but I still like to be challenged by the content.

Currently my level 50 Dragon Knight is at CP 70, but I'm doing Craglorn stuff and mostly getting my butt kicked, which is great. I have managed to complete about a dozen quests and 3 or 4 group delves by myself, despite it being a group zone which greatly outlevels my character. I die a lot, and I fail a lot... I am currently stuck on Craglorn's main quest because the Trial dungeon (forget the name) keeps destroying me... but I plan on leveling up another 10 or 20 CPs to try again later.

However I am worried that once One Tamriel comes out, this will ruin my way of playing. If I am auto-scaled to the zone's level I worry that all the quests will once again become an idiotic face-roll, just like all the rest of this game's leveling.

I have made a couple different new discussions on the forums asking for various forms of difficulty sliders (my best idea would be a player-centered debuff), but most short-sighted posters just yell me out of the forums and tell me to "make my own challenge" by doing stuff that outlevels me, i.e. Craglorn. But it seems that this will no longer be possible.

Will I be able to disable battle-leveling so that the entire game doesn't become a giant, boring faceroll again?

Dude. . . That trial dungeon keeps kicking your ass BECAUSE it's a trial. Trials are 12 man raids. Not designed to be soloed. Lol

Danksta

shadelon wrote: »

Dahveed wrote: »

Hiya.

I am a pretty casual ESO player (still nowhere even close to CP cap after almost 2 years), but I still like to be challenged by the content.

Currently my level 50 Dragon Knight is at CP 70, but I'm doing Craglorn stuff and mostly getting my butt kicked, which is great. I have managed to complete about a dozen quests and 3 or 4 group delves by myself, despite it being a group zone which greatly outlevels my character. I die a lot, and I fail a lot... I am currently stuck on Craglorn's main quest because the Trial dungeon (forget the name) keeps destroying me... but I plan on leveling up another 10 or 20 CPs to try again later.

However I am worried that once One Tamriel comes out, this will ruin my way of playing. If I am auto-scaled to the zone's level I worry that all the quests will once again become an idiotic face-roll, just like all the rest of this game's leveling.

I have made a couple different new discussions on the forums asking for various forms of difficulty sliders (my best idea would be a player-centered debuff), but most short-sighted posters just yell me out of the forums and tell me to "make my own challenge" by doing stuff that outlevels me, i.e. Craglorn. But it seems that this will no longer be possible.

Will I be able to disable battle-leveling so that the entire game doesn't become a giant, boring faceroll again?

Dude. . . That trial dungeon keeps kicking your ass BECAUSE it's a trial. Trials are 12 man raids. Not designed to be soloed. Lol

In fact most (all?) of them are impossible to beat solo due to mechanics.

Lysette

Mettaricana wrote: »

I'd be fine with battle leveling if they made all enemies either smarter or hit harder like imperial city at launch difficulty where more than 3 enemies on a dps or healer my spell your doom quickly

Well, they cannot do that, or a newbie will not be able to survive anything - he has to deal with the conditions of scaling as well, but he has iron weapons and raw hide armor, which is like teasing the enemy with marsh mellow weapons, if they would be any harder than in the DLC zones now.

Make a new character, and go at level 3 with your basic iron weapon and your soul-shriven stuff to Orsinium and try it out. Do not apply CP to that character, a newbie does not have those - so have fun trying and then think again about if it is really such a good idea to make enemies to hit even harder.

bertenburnyb16_ESO

Wtb tamriel pre-vet-nerf

Ecco

AGrz5585 wrote: »

With one tamriel I believe that the content auto levels to you instead of battle leveling you to the content.

That doesn't sound right. That would mean that every zone would have to be instanced for individual players. More likely is that all players entering the zone will be leveled up to meet the zone level.

Lysette

Ecco wrote: »

AGrz5585 wrote: »

With one tamriel I believe that the content auto levels to you instead of battle leveling you to the content.

That doesn't sound right. That would mean that every zone would have to be instanced for individual players. More likely is that all players entering the zone will be leveled up to meet the zone level.

This is what was said - it will be everywhere like in a DLC zone now - and there it is so, that you are scaled up to CP150 and all enemies are CP160. With some decent food that is very playable even for a relatively new character, I like it a lot like this, but it is not really challenging in the open wild - it might be challenging though in certain locations and dungeons, but for the most part, such a zone is really playable for new players - and it cannot be a lot harder than this, they have to learn the game first in the open wild, where the difficulty is mediocre.

Another thing to understand is, that an RPG is not meant to be a combat heavy challenging experience combat-wise, it is more exploration and story-driven than anything else. So this aspect is favorized over challenging content. It is not meant to be a stressful fps like Call of Duty or any of those type of games. Combat is not the main focus - an RPG has combat, but the main thing is exploration and story.

Dahveed

shadelon wrote: »

Dahveed wrote: »

Hiya.

I am a pretty casual ESO player (still nowhere even close to CP cap after almost 2 years), but I still like to be challenged by the content.

Currently my level 50 Dragon Knight is at CP 70, but I'm doing Craglorn stuff and mostly getting my butt kicked, which is great. I have managed to complete about a dozen quests and 3 or 4 group delves by myself, despite it being a group zone which greatly outlevels my character. I die a lot, and I fail a lot... I am currently stuck on Craglorn's main quest because the Trial dungeon (forget the name) keeps destroying me... but I plan on leveling up another 10 or 20 CPs to try again later.

However I am worried that once One Tamriel comes out, this will ruin my way of playing. If I am auto-scaled to the zone's level I worry that all the quests will once again become an idiotic face-roll, just like all the rest of this game's leveling.

I have made a couple different new discussions on the forums asking for various forms of difficulty sliders (my best idea would be a player-centered debuff), but most short-sighted posters just yell me out of the forums and tell me to "make my own challenge" by doing stuff that outlevels me, i.e. Craglorn. But it seems that this will no longer be possible.

Will I be able to disable battle-leveling so that the entire game doesn't become a giant, boring faceroll again?

Dude. . . That trial dungeon keeps kicking your ass BECAUSE it's a trial. Trials are 12 man raids. Not designed to be soloed. Lol

It's not a trial, it's a public dungeon.

bryanhaas

It would be nice if there was an adjustable difficulty level, maybe normal just like it is now, vet scaled to your max level and hard well would be hard. Probably in some ways this might be a bad idea or not. I'm not really sure, but on paper it seems like it could work.

PF1901

Bonzodog01 wrote: »

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For crafting nodes, they will be on the 50/50 system already implemented in the DLC zones, whereby the node will either be your character level or your crafting level....

That would mean I will not be able to gather mats for my level 10 char with my level 50 char or am I reading this the wrong way?

shadelon

Dahveed wrote: »

shadelon wrote: »

Dahveed wrote: »

Hiya.

I am a pretty casual ESO player (still nowhere even close to CP cap after almost 2 years), but I still like to be challenged by the content.

Currently my level 50 Dragon Knight is at CP 70, but I'm doing Craglorn stuff and mostly getting my butt kicked, which is great. I have managed to complete about a dozen quests and 3 or 4 group delves by myself, despite it being a group zone which greatly outlevels my character. I die a lot, and I fail a lot... I am currently stuck on Craglorn's main quest because the Trial dungeon (forget the name) keeps destroying me... but I plan on leveling up another 10 or 20 CPs to try again later.

However I am worried that once One Tamriel comes out, this will ruin my way of playing. If I am auto-scaled to the zone's level I worry that all the quests will once again become an idiotic face-roll, just like all the rest of this game's leveling.

I have made a couple different new discussions on the forums asking for various forms of difficulty sliders (my best idea would be a player-centered debuff), but most short-sighted posters just yell me out of the forums and tell me to "make my own challenge" by doing stuff that outlevels me, i.e. Craglorn. But it seems that this will no longer be possible.

Will I be able to disable battle-leveling so that the entire game doesn't become a giant, boring faceroll again?

Dude. . . That trial dungeon keeps kicking your ass BECAUSE it's a trial. Trials are 12 man raids. Not designed to be soloed. Lol

It's not a trial, it's a public dungeon.

How about you tell us the name of the place you tried to solo. We'll tell you how you may or may not ever be able to solo it. Oh and there are no public dungeons in craglorn. Only group delves and 3 trials. 12 man raids.

Dahveed

shadelon wrote: »

Dahveed wrote: »

shadelon wrote: »

Dahveed wrote: »

Hiya.

I am a pretty casual ESO player (still nowhere even close to CP cap after almost 2 years), but I still like to be challenged by the content.

Currently my level 50 Dragon Knight is at CP 70, but I'm doing Craglorn stuff and mostly getting my butt kicked, which is great. I have managed to complete about a dozen quests and 3 or 4 group delves by myself, despite it being a group zone which greatly outlevels my character. I die a lot, and I fail a lot... I am currently stuck on Craglorn's main quest because the Trial dungeon (forget the name) keeps destroying me... but I plan on leveling up another 10 or 20 CPs to try again later.

However I am worried that once One Tamriel comes out, this will ruin my way of playing. If I am auto-scaled to the zone's level I worry that all the quests will once again become an idiotic face-roll, just like all the rest of this game's leveling.

I have made a couple different new discussions on the forums asking for various forms of difficulty sliders (my best idea would be a player-centered debuff), but most short-sighted posters just yell me out of the forums and tell me to "make my own challenge" by doing stuff that outlevels me, i.e. Craglorn. But it seems that this will no longer be possible.

Will I be able to disable battle-leveling so that the entire game doesn't become a giant, boring faceroll again?

Dude. . . That trial dungeon keeps kicking your ass BECAUSE it's a trial. Trials are 12 man raids. Not designed to be soloed. Lol

It's not a trial, it's a public dungeon.

How about you tell us the name of the place you tried to solo. We'll tell you how you may or may not ever be able to solo it. Oh and there are no public dungeons in craglorn. Only group delves and 3 trials. 12 man raids.

Rahni'Za, School or Warriors.

This is where two of my quests eventually took me... I find out that one of the students went berserk and killed the master, then enslaved all the other students (or something along those lines, it's been quite a while, sorry).

Perhaps I am mistaken and this is a "trial", I've never done one. It doesn't feel like it though, since I can pretty easily solo all the non-boss stuff, and when I get to the first boss, I actually do ok for a couple minutes or so before I eventually run out of magicka/stamina and die.

I would be very surprised if this were a 12-man raid. It seems to me that a group of even just 2 or 3 players (at appropriate level) would demolish this place easily.