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[Confirmed Bug] Console Minor Slayer
elium85
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Has anyone on PC tested Minor Slayer effectively to determine if it's actually working?
We've done some noob testing and it looks to be bugged on Console. Video coming soon.
Edited by elium85 on August 19, 2016 5:30PM We've done some noob testing and it looks to be bugged on Console. Video coming soon.
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code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/283191
Specifically,Basic tests: Does Minor Slayer work and on what?
Yes, Minor Slayer works as advertised.
I ran a series of basic tests. I would attack enemies while wearing 3p Moondancer jewelry, and then attack them again after having swapped one of the Moondancer jewelry pieces with an Infalliable Aether jewelry piece. Replacing one jewelry piece with an identically-statted jewelry piece of a different set causes me to lose just the Minor Slayer buff while keeping everything else the same. I would note and compare the exact damage numbers with and without Minor Slayer.
I tested this against enemies in Spindleclutch, Sanctum, DSA, Maelstrom, gargoyles in Craglorn, and finally, a World Boss, Public Dungeon, and delve in Eastmarch.- As expected, Minor Slayer produced a 5% damage increase to both my basic weapon attacks and my abilities in 4-player group dungeons, 12-player trials, and the two arenas.
- It works in both the scored vet and unscored normal versions of the trials/arenas.
- It works against every tested enemy in the dungeons/trials, even human ones (in case there was any confusion about what constituted a "Monster")
- It does not work against overworld enemies.
- It does not work against the World Boss.
- It does not work in delves.
- It does not work in public dungeons. (so the tooltip's use of the word "Dungeon" is a bit ambiguous here)
Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
Dungeons and Trials:Personal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
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code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭What was your method of testing?Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
Dungeons and Trials:Personal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
Extended Journal Add-Ons: Item Set Browser ― Loot Log ― Character Knowledge ― Collectibles Tracker ― RaidificatorPC/Console Add-Ons: Combat Alerts ― Group Buff PanelsOther Add-Ons: Deconstruction Junk Marker ― Purge Tracker ― Asylum Status Panel ― Smart Looter ― Improved Companion Rapport Information0 -
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Well Its harder to test on console but it .might have just been my setup.When I used VO in VMA on the first boss for a example considered to be a DPS test for the rest of the arena.With my usually setup I get it down in first port I changed to VO and couldn't get it down before second pull 2 adds pop. Like I said could have just been me but the increased seemed off.What was your method of testing?0 -
elium85✭✭✭I'll be putting up a video tomorrow of a guildie testing. Still waiting on the upload.0
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Well Its harder to test on console but it .might have just been my setup.When I used VO in VMA on the first boss for a example considered to be a DPS test for the rest of the arena.With my usually setup I get it down in first port I changed to VO and couldn't get it down before second pull 2 adds pop. Like I said could have just been me but the increased seemed off.What was your method of testing?
Keep in mind that if you're swapping from something like Agility to VO, you are gaining 5% from Minor Slayer, but you are also losing whatever stat bonuses Agility was providing. Also, in actual combat, there's the matter of RNG. You might have a 70% crit chance, but in a particular fight, your actual crits might end up being 65% or 75% or whatever.
When testing to see if Minor Slayer is working, you need to do a well-controlled test that looks at raw numbers. Which is possible even on console.
Let's say you have 3p VO jewelry with WD enchants. Put on your 3p VO jewelry, turn on the game's scrolling combat text and hit something with a light attack and with an ability. Record the exact number of damage that popped up on the screen, and make a note whether that was a crit hit or a normal hit.
Next, replace one of the VO jewelry prices with a non-VO jewelry piece. Make sure that the jewelry piece has the same enchantment and is providing the exact same stat bonus. So, for example, a purple VO jewelry piece provides 840 stamina (from being purple robust) and has an enchantment providing 174 weapon damage (gold WD glyph), so you want to replace it with another non-VO jewelry piece that provides the same 840 stamina (from being purple robust) and has the same 174 WD glyph (one of your old Robust Agility pieces will do).
This way, the only change is that you went from 3p VO to 2p VO + 1p random, thus losing that 3p Minor Slayer bonus, but all your other stats are exactly the same as before. Now go hit the same enemy again with a light attack and an ability and record the exact damage number that you see in the SCT, and compare.
I did a lot of tests like this in a lot of different places, against a wide selection of enemeies and found that with Minor Slayer active, my light attacks and abilities were hitting 5% harder (not 4.5%, not 5.5%, but exactly 5%) in instanced content, and that the damage numbers were exactly the same (not even off by 1) in the overworld, delves, and public dungeons. Refer to my earlier post for a more detailed breakdown.Edited by code65536 on August 19, 2016 11:48AMNightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
Dungeons and Trials:Personal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
Extended Journal Add-Ons: Item Set Browser ― Loot Log ― Character Knowledge ― Collectibles Tracker ― RaidificatorPC/Console Add-Ons: Combat Alerts ― Group Buff PanelsOther Add-Ons: Deconstruction Junk Marker ― Purge Tracker ― Asylum Status Panel ― Smart Looter ― Improved Companion Rapport Information1 -
elium85✭✭✭Guildie did some tests in Spindleclutch and HRC. Unless we're missing something obvious, Minor Slayer DOES NOT appear to be providing any extra damage.
@code65536 want to watch to confirm our testing?
https://youtu.be/yb6CMbMy1cA 1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I just retested on PC using the Thralled Warrior in the lobby of vet Spindle, this time on two characters, testing both Infal and Vicious.
2p Infal, 1p Moondancer jewelry (Minor Slayer inactive):
Light Attack: 1736, 3298 crit
Funnel: 5682, 10796 crit
3p Infal jewelry (Minor Slayer active):
Light Attack: 1822, 3462 crit
Funnel: 5966, 11336 crit
1736 * 1.05 = 1822.8 (1822 observed)
3298 * 1.05 = 3462.9 (3462 observed)
5682 * 1.05 = 5966.1 (5966 observed)
10796 * 1.05 = 11335.8 (11336 observed)
2p VO, 1p Agility (Minor Slayer inactive)
Light Attack: 2071, 3313 crit
Flying Blade: 5338, 8540 crit
3p VO (Minor Slayer active)
Light Attack: 2174, 3479 crit
Flying Blade: 5604, 8967 crit
2071 * 1.05 = 2174.6 (2174 observed)
3313 * 1.05 = 3478.7 (3479 observed)
5338 * 1.05 = 5604.9 (5604 observed)
8540 * 1.05 = 8967 (8967 observed)
It is indeed working properly on PC, and looking at your video, it looks like you're testing it in a way similar to how I tested it.
So, yea, it looks like it's bugged on Console. It is very strange that it's working on PC but not on Console.
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @Wrobel Could you please look into this? Is it possible that, because the changes to Minor Slayer happened kind of last-minute, towards the very end of the PTS period, that maybe it somehow fell through the cracks and didn't make it into the Console patch?Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
Dungeons and Trials:Personal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
Extended Journal Add-Ons: Item Set Browser ― Loot Log ― Character Knowledge ― Collectibles Tracker ― RaidificatorPC/Console Add-Ons: Combat Alerts ― Group Buff PanelsOther Add-Ons: Deconstruction Junk Marker ― Purge Tracker ― Asylum Status Panel ― Smart Looter ― Improved Companion Rapport Information1 -
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✭✭I used it on a VMA run and the 5% didn't seem to be working correctly on Xbox.
Whaaat? I shelved my Molag Kena and I'm doing just as much DPS with Aether + Willpower + Scathing. Its working perfectly fine.
I'll check as soon as I get log on tonight and will post the results. You really have got me worried right now!Edited by Izaki on August 19, 2016 5:23PM@ Izaki #PCEU
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✭✭I don't think it's working in maelstrom. My NB did seem weaker with it on compared to fighting a boss before hand. For instance a strangler on round 3 didn't die with a heavy bow and lethal immediately whereas it did before hand, went down to 2% health. Small difference on that minor add but that's a huge difference on a boss fight in there.PC Master Race
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It is working fine on PC. But as the video earlier in the thread demonstrates, it's broken on Console. Perhaps the OP could edit the thread title to make it clear that this is a Console-specific issue.Nightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
Dungeons and Trials:Personal best scores:- Dragonstar Arena: 46817 (NA)
- Maelstrom Arena: 600526 (NA)
- Blackrose Prison: 99274 (EU) (Unchained)
- Maw of Lorkhaj: 165227 (EU)
- Halls of Fabrication: 220708 (NA) (Tick-Tock Tormentor #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12)
- Asylum Sanctorium: 114957 (NA) (Immortal Redeemer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10)
- Cloudrest: 131256 (NA) (Gryphon Heart #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Sunspire: 250866 (EU) (Godslayer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7)
- Kyne's Aegis: 235841 (EU) (Dawnbringer #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8)
Dungeon trifectas:- Mountain God and Leave No Bone Unbroken
- Apex Predator and Pure Lunacy
- Depths Defier and Relentless Raider
- Defanged the Devourer and Nature's Wrath
- In Defiance of Death and No Rest for the Wicked
- Bane of Thorns and True Genius
- Ardent Bibliophile and Subterranean Smasher
- Battlespire's Best and Bastion Breaker
- Zero Regrets and Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy
- Fist of Tava and Invader's Bane
- Curator's Champion (Valinna) and Temporal Tempest
- Unshakeable Fervor and Lighting the Embers
Extended Journal Add-Ons: Item Set Browser ― Loot Log ― Character Knowledge ― Collectibles Tracker ― RaidificatorPC/Console Add-Ons: Combat Alerts ― Group Buff PanelsOther Add-Ons: Deconstruction Junk Marker ― Purge Tracker ― Asylum Status Panel ― Smart Looter ― Improved Companion Rapport Information0 -
elium85✭✭✭Yeah, I can edit to specify Console! Sorry for confusion.
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boldscot✭✭✭Just did a quick test in spindle clutch now on PS4 and it seems that minor slayer still works the way it used to.
Edit: Actually it seems like there's no increase in damage, minor slayer does absolutely nothing.
Edited by boldscot on August 19, 2016 6:37PM0 -
Its a shame that a buff which was implement ended in the jewellery becoming useless. I hope those at Zos are quick on to a fix for this as its important to pve'er that this set bonus works as intended.Champion Rank 515
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