Town PvP is Dying

Scamandros

I for one am glad that the innocent citizens of these towns may one day live their lives in peace again

RinaldoGandolphi

I had suggested about a year ago that:

1. A telvars board needs to be put in IC and whomever earns the most stones for his faction and can capture and hold the districts gets granted The Usurper title that gives the same stats, bonuses, and faction wide buffs that emperor does, and confers a scoring and stat bonus in Cyrodiil as well as IC

2.add trials, dungeon specific gear to a random vendor that can be bought with telvar stones that changes every week.

3. Allow each IC district owned to count the same on the campaign scoreboard as a keep + 3 resources. Also each district gives a unique faction wide bonus. More health, more crit, more AP, more tel car, etc

Point is Cyrodiil needs to be designed where:

You can't win by bringing everyone to one place, in fact it should be detrimental to do this. Do you see the United States commuting every singe solider they have available to one specific place? Of course not because it's not a viable strategy because your enemy will counter attack you

When the IC matters folks can't commit everyone up top...holding IC MUST be made mandatory to win a campaign. This is how you alter game play and force these zergs to split.

It's makes no sense the capital of Cyrodiil doesn't count at all towards the campaign.

Lokey0024

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

I had suggested about a year ago that:

1. A telvars board needs to be put in IC and whomever earns the most stones for his faction and can capture and hold the districts gets granted The Usurper title that gives the same stats, bonuses, and faction wide buffs that emperor does, and confers a scoring and stat bonus in Cyrodiil as well as IC

2.add trials, dungeon specific gear to a random vendor that can be bought with telvar stones that changes every week.

3. Allow each IC district owned to count the same on the campaign scoreboard as a keep + 3 resources. Also each district gives a unique faction wide bonus. More health, more crit, more AP, more tel car, etc

Point is Cyrodiil needs to be designed where:

You can't win by bringing everyone to one place, in fact it should be detrimental to do this. Do you see the United States commuting every singe solider they have available to one specific place? Of course not because it's not a viable strategy because your enemy will counter attack you

When the IC matters folks can't commit everyone up top...holding IC MUST be made mandatory to win a campaign. This is how you alter game play and force these zergs to split.

It's makes no sense the capital of Cyrodiil doesn't count at all towards the campaign.

Give this man a job.

One problem. They cant charge to dedicate resources to dev pre existing (more importantly already paid for) content.

Jaybe_Mawfaka

You are too late, it's already dead

Nermy

PvP is not dead. Oh you poor nay-sayers. I see old players returning and have led groups with new players who are starting to find out the joys of Cyrodiil. Far from dead.

As for the towns, they bring another strategic element to the game that some of you aren't thinking about. If, as a Pact player, I am trying to take Drakelowe, putting Cropsford UA at the same time means AD can't blood-port there and gives us more time to take the keep.

I do, however, agree there should be some more incentive to take them. I like the 5% AP bonus someone mentioned.

Sarousse

There's no point in taking a town :

- PvP bags aren't a valid objective,
- town flip is too fast & easy to be a decent respawn point,
- you can't teleport to towns.

Giving little bonuses won't attract more people : they will just don't care and stay in the zerg around Cyrodiil's crown.

The town must be strategic for the faction to be attractive for people. Put a strong objective in them if you want player to go there and fight.

KisoValley

Nermy wrote: »

PvP is not dead. Oh you poor nay-sayers. I see old players returning and have led groups with new players who are starting to find out the joys of Cyrodiil. Far from dead.

As for the towns, they bring another strategic element to the game that some of you aren't thinking about. If, as a Pact player, I am trying to take Drakelowe, putting Cropsford UA at the same time means AD can't blood-port there and gives us more time to take the keep.

I do, however, agree there should be some more incentive to take them. I like the 5% AP bonus someone mentioned.

More players are quitting PVP than returning btw.

Enodoc

caeliusstarbreaker wrote: »

The people: Make towns able to be captured!!
Towns with no significance now have flags
ZoS: you asked we listened!

What more were you expecting? Towns have always had no significance, and adding flags made them capturable. Based on that, ZOS have done exactly what we asked for. We didn't ask for anything more.

Nermy

Sarousse wrote: »

- you can't teleport to towns.

You can blood port to towns. Remember the original camps?

KisoValley wrote: »

More players are quitting PVP than returning btw.

Probably, I don't expect it to be around forever but based on the amount of players I still see in Trueflame, it's far from dead.

Kas

tbh it would probably be enough to lots of harvest mats nearby. as soon as some players are drawn there if it's peaceful / dead, others will strife there are more will come just for the pvp.
it works kinda well in IC: there is a nice bonus if your faction controls the districts without enemies and thus there are always enemies making the bonuses themselves actually kinda pointless but guarantee lively pvp.

moonio

There is already an incentive to take Bruma, it is one of the best daily quest areas, offering plenty xp for just walking a few paces and killing one person etc etc

Also the Dolmen is one of the only places I know of that drops cold fire trebuchets and ballistas.

I was soooo annoyed that they made this a capturable town as I cant now just rock up, get a champion point, have a fun time taking the Dolmen on my own and stocking up on cold fire siege weapons..

Ashamray

Solariken wrote: »

I wouldn't worry too much about it. Those towns are too long of a horse ride to bother. IC is a thousand times better - just go there to get your jollies.

IC is the best DLC ever.

Skyy

Undo the towns and make IC its own campaign and I would be much happier. Actually, I don't really care about the towns, but give them something that actually incentivizes them would be a bad move since then they would be constantly zerged more than they already are and would cause further issue with their unbalanced locations. Just get IC out of Cyrodiil.

Rickter

Manoekin wrote: »

I went to a town once and got run over by a 16 player group and never went back.

did you go. . . by yourself?

Rickter

Thelon wrote: »

if the best ZOS can do in terms of creative direction is sticking a few flags in the ground, the writing is on the wall for eso's pvp

I dont think this is "the best they can do" - They are constantly, and i mean, people living on cots in the server rooms, CONSTANTLY trying to fix performance and think of ways to spice up Cyrodiil PVP yet preserve what makes it so fun in the first place. Town Captures are a GREAT idea. Takes some of the focus off of a mundane inner keep roll and added an element to pvp that added to the formula rather than taking away from it (like arenas would COUGH *** COUGH)

the issue is the incentives that came along with that kinda was a flop :-/

Jules

Yup. Towns need more to them, it was foreseeable. The gear grind will never hold the attention of PVPers for long. Only pvp incentives will. Add 2 more capturable towns behind BRK and ash, make taking them hurt the faction they're closest to and give true incentive to the opposite faction. That is the only way towns will get withstanding action.

Sallington

Any additional objective is pointless in PvP unless there's a good reason to fight over it. They need to be added to the campaign scoring, and the overall rewards for winning a campaign need to be overhauled.

juhasman

It was obvious that it'll end that way. It looks like some people dont remember Imperial City at the beggining.

Manoekin

Rickter wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

I went to a town once and got run over by a 16 player group and never went back.

did you go. . . by yourself?

Yeah for some reason I was under the assumption it would be a place for players to get away from the larger fights going on at keeps. Turns out you run into full raid groups in towns also.

Ghost-Shot

Manoekin wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

I went to a town once and got run over by a 16 player group and never went back.

did you go. . . by yourself?

Yeah for some reason I was under the assumption it would be a place for players to get away from the larger fights going on at keeps. Turns out you run into full raid groups in towns also.

The guards are OP bro, need at least 20 to handle them

Magus

Manoekin wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

I went to a town once and got run over by a 16 player group and never went back.

did you go. . . by yourself?

Yeah for some reason I was under the assumption it would be a place for players to get away from the larger fights going on at keeps. Turns out you run into full raid groups in towns also.

Don't worry, they also use siege against less numbers and put up forward camps too.

Minno

Jules wrote: »

Yup. Towns need more to them, it was foreseeable. The gear grind will never hold the attention of PVPers for long. Only pvp incentives will. Add 2 more capturable towns behind BRK and ash, make taking them hurt the faction they're closest to and give true incentive to the opposite faction. That is the only way towns will get withstanding action.

And make them pretty. Nothing is worse than fighting on open farms 90% of the time. Give us that huge dolmen church near DC! Or the church at brindle, the empty town near Aleswell, the other cities, the imperial legion encampments, etc.. Make these all add scores with buffs. Integrate into the framework of the daily PvP objectives so that if you go off the beaten path you can entice some fights and pull zergs away. Add daily quests too (ie take bruma).

IC will need to be treated as adding to the overall score as well. Force us to fight in situations to bring out interesting strategies instead of a meat stack. IC integration should be the "vet Maelstrom arena" of PvP in its intent (difficulty increased because of locking out factions but you'll have to learn to be able to master it).

And it wouldn't be hard to just place flags but add a value to those flags. So ideally you just need to review how us players abuse it.

Minno

Manoekin wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

I went to a town once and got run over by a 16 player group and never went back.

did you go. . . by yourself?

Yeah for some reason I was under the assumption it would be a place for players to get away from the larger fights going on at keeps. Turns out you run into full raid groups in towns also.

You don't have to worry about that at Bruma from DC. Even with a keep within distance we still ignore that area of the map lol. But sadly all of Haxvicus Militia goes there.

Sallington

Minno wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

I went to a town once and got run over by a 16 player group and never went back.

did you go. . . by yourself?

Yeah for some reason I was under the assumption it would be a place for players to get away from the larger fights going on at keeps. Turns out you run into full raid groups in towns also.

You don't have to worry about that at Bruma from DC. Even with a keep within distance we still ignore that area of the map lol. But sadly all of Haxvicus Militia goes there.

It's basically their version of Chalman.

Magus

Minno wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

I went to a town once and got run over by a 16 player group and never went back.

did you go. . . by yourself?

Yeah for some reason I was under the assumption it would be a place for players to get away from the larger fights going on at keeps. Turns out you run into full raid groups in towns also.

You don't have to worry about that at Bruma from DC. Even with a keep within distance we still ignore that area of the map lol. But sadly all of Haxvicus Militia goes there.

Haxvicus Militia, I love that. I used to lovingly refer to Haxus as Pact Militia Raid 4. Still one of the hardest hitting groups out there but usually embedded within the meat shields.

Minno

Sallington wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

Rickter wrote: »

Manoekin wrote: »

I went to a town once and got run over by a 16 player group and never went back.

did you go. . . by yourself?

Yeah for some reason I was under the assumption it would be a place for players to get away from the larger fights going on at keeps. Turns out you run into full raid groups in towns also.

You don't have to worry about that at Bruma from DC. Even with a keep within distance we still ignore that area of the map lol. But sadly all of Haxvicus Militia goes there.

It's basically their version of Chalman.

It's easy-mode Chalman.

juhasman

Make emperor title requiering 6 keeps around IC and all 3 towns

Sallington

Maybe towns should give an AP boost per town controlled? 10% AP boost per town?

Minno

Sallington wrote: »

Maybe towns should give an AP boost per town controlled? 10% AP boost per town?

Maybe also add a chance for dolmen boss spawns. Encourage dolmen use too to farm other sets.

Artis

Minno wrote: »

IC will need to be treated as adding to the overall score as well. Force us to fight in situations to bring out interesting strategies instead of a meat stack. IC integration should be the "vet Maelstrom arena" of PvP in its intent (difficulty increased because of locking out factions but you'll have to learn to be able to master it).

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

3. Allow each IC district owned to count the same on the campaign scoreboard as a keep + 3 resources. Also each district gives a unique faction wide bonus. More health, more crit, more AP, more tel car, etc


When the IC matters folks can't commit everyone up top...holding IC MUST be made mandatory to win a campaign. This is how you alter game play and force these zergs to split.

It's makes no sense the capital of Cyrodiil doesn't count at all towards the campaign.

As awesome and logical as it sounds, there are technicalities which make it a bad idea. If the game was still p2p, that would be a great idea, and I always thought the same - after all, we are fighting for the control over IC. However, now that it's a b2p game you need to take into account that some people won't have the Imperial City DLC for whatever reason. But cyrodiil is announced as a base part of the game.

So you can't really force people to buy the DLC if they just bought the game to fight mass pvp in cyro.