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TipsyDrow

A_G_G_R_O wrote: »

gabriebe wrote: »

After 44 wouldnt be so bad if you kept up with the gear. Thing is I just get lazy around there and either vet the character out quicker with *** gear or just delete it if I didnt like it.

Delete it? Do you remake another one and restart over again in kyne?

Alot of us do.

gabriebe

Not necessarily. I just delete the characters I ended up not liking, either because I didn't like the setup, or because I liked the setup and decided to use it on an existing vet character. Or, often, just because they were ugly. I've never really rerolled the same build or concept twice, the whole point of Kyne imho is to experiment with stuff.

A_G_G_R_O

TipsyDrow wrote: »

A_G_G_R_O wrote: »

gabriebe wrote: »

After 44 wouldnt be so bad if you kept up with the gear. Thing is I just get lazy around there and either vet the character out quicker with *** gear or just delete it if I didnt like it.

Delete it? Do you remake another one and restart over again in kyne?

Alot of us do.

Huh that’s funny some guy told me that kyne is only full of new players.... and no one does this and it’s a campaign for all the new pvpers.... how long have a lot of you folks been doing this ? For science of course...

What percentage of the kyne population does this you say?

Stridig

Just a guess but I would say 75% re-roll several times and maybe 25% or so have been primarily in Kyne since BwB was introduced. Again just a guess. Depending on what somebody considers "New player" to be ( 6 months or less ? ) seasoned pros outnumber "new" people 3 to 1. Again it's mainly because Kyne offers the best, most balanced PvP in the game. My opinion of course.

Edit: The 25% or so that don't re-roll are typically the ones who decide PvP is not for them after getting their asses stomped in Kyne.

A_G_G_R_O

Ya know it’s funny cause I had this other thread ... and they coulda sworn this wasn’t the case....

I mean if kyne is just a bunch of rerollers why not offer a feature where we can all queue in battle de leveled on our mains, so we can enjoy too but will attain AP on our mains

Stridig

I get where you're coming from I think. I mean populations in PvP have been steadily dropping since around 1T but in defence of the people who choose to stay in Kyne I would have to be a no vote. Most people here run crafted sets and no monster sets obviously. No offence because you have completely destroyed me in Shor but Kyne offers a unique PvP experience where one has to rely on skill to get kills and stay alive. Broken gear sets and monster sets just don't offer that kind of gameplay.

Hexquisite

Why can't we enjoy both or All Pvp?
When I play Vivec, only the leader of the group can talk, hours of very serious non stop no joking around heart pumping pvp. Thankfully the leader is funny:)

When I play Shor, it is also fairly serious for a couple hours, but more than the leader can talk, I love the smaller fights on Shor.

When I play Kyne, we tell jokes and talk about all sorts of things --movies, music, boyfriends, girlfriends, etc, and also about builds and skills, just hang out. I can come home late at night and log in and talk to friends who don't care that I am on a level 20 with unmatched level 10 green gear. I also like the small scale fights here.

I love having these 3 kinds of pvp to choose from. All 3 of them make me a better player, and Pugz of Daggerfall has been awesome at also organizing trials and pledges to gear the whole guild up, this is a guild I joined in Kyne, and I am thankful for this guild...Before that I was in an EP Vivec guild and there was none of that kind of support.

A_G_G_R_O

but the mean people of kyne won’t let me in, so I must smash it so they come out....

Aggro angry....

ColoursYouHave

A_G_G_R_O wrote: »

Ya know it’s funny cause I had this other thread ... and they coulda sworn this wasn’t the case....

I mean if kyne is just a bunch of rerollers why not offer a feature where we can all queue in battle de leveled on our mains, so we can enjoy too but will attain AP on our mains

I'm gonna wager that whoever told you that hasn't really played in Kyne and is just sharing their assumptions as though it is fact. I mean sure, there are probably more new/inexperienced players in Kyne than in other campaigns, but I honestly doubt that there are significantly more. I haven't spent very much time in other campaigns, but in my brief experience I ran into just as many bad players as I typically do in Kyne. There are a lot of experienced players who play in Kyne regularly, and the campaign has a very dedicated, passionate community (the fact that this is the longest thread on the forums with over 10,000 comments should attest to that). While there are surely people who come to Kyne looking to bully new players, there are also tons of people coming to Kyne looking for challenging fights from the other Kyne regulars and experienced PVPers.

One of the reasons a lot of people prefer playing in Kyne is how difficult it is to actually get top-level gear. Because you out-level your gear as you level up in Kyne, it is incredibly wasteful and inefficient to upgrade gear to gold, as well as to farm things such as monster sets or even dungeon sets. This creates more parity as the gap between the best gear and the worst gear is lower than in other campaigns.

Another unique factor of Kyne is that since you can't play past level 50, you won't be able to unlock every skill, and need to decide which skills are most important rather than just throwing all the best skills on your bar. For instance, getting a MagSorc with Hardened Ward, Streak, and Mines is damn near impossible since those are some of the last skills unlocked in each skill line. If you want a stam build with both Rally and Reverberating Bash, you're not going to be able to spend a lot of time PVPing, as you'll be a pretty high level by the time you unlock both of those skills. Forget about running Poison Injection, as you would need to sacrifice leveling other, more important skills, in order to unlock it. These are only a few examples, but you can look at any class and see instances where you won't be able to unlock all the skills you want, and this ultimately lowers the overall power level of pretty much any build relative to level-capped builds in other campaigns.

In allowing max-level characters to queue into Kyne, you're basically removing two of the largest factors that makes Kyne feel more balanced than other campaigns. If you allow "de-leveled" characters to queue into Kyne at level 48 or whatever wearing golded meta sets with every skill unlocked, you're basically defeating the entire purpose of playing in Kyne.

A_G_G_R_O

What if they introduced a PvP campaign with low powered gear templates?

DeadlyRecluse

A_G_G_R_O wrote: »

What if they introduced a PvP campaign with low powered gear templates?

MajBludd wrote: »

I do like the idea of a vet server with no monster sets. The weapon ults you deal with in kyne, and now that I think about it, you even see monster sets in kyne

A noCP server with reduced siege damage and only "raw stat" sets (things like Seducer, Hundings, etc.) would be amazing. Remove all manner of procs (both offensive and defensive procs) and set armor stats at a baseline so nobody has a gear advantage by golding out.

It'll never happen, but it would be great.

With pops being what they are, I anticipate fewer options for PvP, not more, in the future.

Adenoma

@A_G_G_R_O , I encourage you to read more of the thread. Many of these topics have been discussed ad nauseum by the people that play or have played in the campaign.

DeadlyRecluse

Adenoma wrote: »

I encourage you to read more of the thread. Many of these topics have been discussed ad nauseum by the people that play or have played in the campaign.

Counterpoint: the thread is really long and pretty uninteresting.

Vyle_Byte

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Counterpoint: the thread is really long and pretty uninteresting.

Only bc mods keep deletin the interesting stuff

Stridig

I like to see the things certain people from this thread write in other threads. Really makes me scratch my head. Makes me wonder if they understand that ALL of us have access to other threads. Pretty funny.

DeadlyRecluse

Second counterpoint: discussing things that have already been discussed ad naseum is the core of the thread, anyway. Doing so with unnecessary hubris and vitriol is also entirely in keeping with established practice.

Stridig

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Second counterpoint: discussing things that have already been discussed ad naseum is the core of the thread, anyway. Doing so with unnecessary hubris and vitriol is also entirely in keeping with established practice.

I'm a complete idiot so none of this makes any sense to me.

DeadlyRecluse

Stridig wrote: »

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Second counterpoint: discussing things that have already been discussed ad naseum is the core of the thread, anyway. Doing so with unnecessary hubris and vitriol is also entirely in keeping with established practice.

I'm a complete idiot so none of this makes any sense to me.

We are mean to each other over and over again.

Stridig

Oh. Why yes we is.

anamenobodyelsehas

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Adenoma wrote: »

I encourage you to read more of the thread. Many of these topics have been discussed ad nauseum by the people that play or have played in the campaign.

Counterpoint: the thread is really long and pretty uninteresting.

WhitePawPrints

ColoursYouHave wrote: »

A_G_G_R_O wrote: »

Ya know it’s funny cause I had this other thread ... and they coulda sworn this wasn’t the case....

I mean if kyne is just a bunch of rerollers why not offer a feature where we can all queue in battle de leveled on our mains, so we can enjoy too but will attain AP on our mains

I'm gonna wager that whoever told you that hasn't really played in Kyne and is just sharing their assumptions as though it is fact. I mean sure, there are probably more new/inexperienced players in Kyne than in other campaigns, but I honestly doubt that there are significantly more. I haven't spent very much time in other campaigns, but in my brief experience I ran into just as many bad players as I typically do in Kyne. There are a lot of experienced players who play in Kyne regularly, and the campaign has a very dedicated, passionate community (the fact that this is the longest thread on the forums with over 10,000 comments should attest to that). While there are surely people who come to Kyne looking to bully new players, there are also tons of people coming to Kyne looking for challenging fights from the other Kyne regulars and experienced PVPers.

One of the reasons a lot of people prefer playing in Kyne is how difficult it is to actually get top-level gear. Because you out-level your gear as you level up in Kyne, it is incredibly wasteful and inefficient to upgrade gear to gold, as well as to farm things such as monster sets or even dungeon sets. This creates more parity as the gap between the best gear and the worst gear is lower than in other campaigns.

Another unique factor of Kyne is that since you can't play past level 50, you won't be able to unlock every skill, and need to decide which skills are most important rather than just throwing all the best skills on your bar. For instance, getting a MagSorc with Hardened Ward, Streak, and Mines is damn near impossible since those are some of the last skills unlocked in each skill line. If you want a stam build with both Rally and Reverberating Bash, you're not going to be able to spend a lot of time PVPing, as you'll be a pretty high level by the time you unlock both of those skills. Forget about running Poison Injection, as you would need to sacrifice leveling other, more important skills, in order to unlock it. These are only a few examples, but you can look at any class and see instances where you won't be able to unlock all the skills you want, and this ultimately lowers the overall power level of pretty much any build relative to level-capped builds in other campaigns.

In allowing max-level characters to queue into Kyne, you're basically removing two of the largest factors that makes Kyne feel more balanced than other campaigns. If you allow "de-leveled" characters to queue into Kyne at level 48 or whatever wearing golded meta sets with every skill unlocked, you're basically defeating the entire purpose of playing in Kyne.

I agree. The appeal of Kyne is mostly because of the challenge of adjusting the skills as you level up. Starting at level 10, you know you’re at a huge disadvantage only having one skill bar so you have to make smart decisions with the limited skills unlocked. And it brings back that feeling of accomplishment when you do unlock a new skill - something you don’t feel anymore grinding or playing in your main.

Constantly adapting to your new skills and levels is a fun challenge. A lot more diverse than running our mains with the same build all the time.

You can reroll a magblade a hundred times and know exactly what you’ll do, with gear already made, and those are the players looking to take advantage of the noobs.

Lumsdenml

DCeiver0 wrote: »

So yesterday was interesting. I looked around at one point and realized that a GoNB emperor on DC was defending his last keep with: the squat squad, Syphers ww zerg and a small group of PUGz of Daggerfall against an EP group consisting of Shades, Kazi, Raci, Lytis, Regal Imp, Raknosh, Datthaw, Havoc and myself. It was bizarro kyne and it was so much fun.

Oh man, totally been out of pvp for a week or so. I play with raci and lytis sorta regular, and they are crazy good, but that sounds like an all star line up!

Lumsdenml

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

gabriebe wrote: »

Nah, there are definitely people who go into Kyne to beat the freshman. Gold gear, not so much. People who grind weapon ults early, on one shot builds, who only get into Kyne when they are about level 30-35? Yeah, more than a few. Been guilty of that myself a few times. Also a part of why some have a hard time leaving the non vet campaigns, you lose a lot of power merely because of the fact that most of the people you encounter already have a definite build figured out.

This was discussed a few pages back. It’s kind of funny how some people prepare to enter Kyne - when a lot of us will enter at level 10. I had no idea how to play Warden when I entered at level 10 and have adjusted my build while I figured it out in Kyne. Spent a couple hours searching for the right sets to craft, and tested a lot of different set ups. Found one I liked and am now level 41. Didn’t read a guide, didn’t gold out my gear, didn’t level up skill lines yo unlock ultimates - I just played and had fun, and adjusted my build when I felt it needed improvement.

This. This is the exact thing I do each time, but I think your end result is better...

Lumsdenml

Stridig wrote: »

Just a guess but I would say 75% re-roll several times and maybe 25% or so have been primarily in Kyne since BwB was introduced. Again just a guess. Depending on what somebody considers "New player" to be ( 6 months or less ? ) seasoned pros outnumber "new" people 3 to 1. Again it's mainly because Kyne offers the best, most balanced PvP in the game. My opinion of course.

Edit: The 25% or so that don't re-roll are typically the ones who decide PvP is not for them after getting their asses stomped in Kyne.

[self snip]

Lumsdenml

A_G_G_R_O wrote: »

TipsyDrow wrote: »

A_G_G_R_O wrote: »

gabriebe wrote: »

After 44 wouldnt be so bad if you kept up with the gear. Thing is I just get lazy around there and either vet the character out quicker with *** gear or just delete it if I didnt like it.

Delete it? Do you remake another one and restart over again in kyne?

Alot of us do.

Huh that’s funny some guy told me that kyne is only full of new players.... and no one does this and it’s a campaign for all the new pvpers.... how long have a lot of you folks been doing this ? For science of course...

What percentage of the kyne population does this you say?

I've been in BWB/Kyne since 07/2015 or so

Lumsdenml

Stridig wrote: »

I like to see the things certain people from this thread write in other threads. Really makes me scratch my head. Makes me wonder if they understand that ALL of us have access to other threads. Pretty funny.

Sorry...

ColoursYouHave

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Second counterpoint: discussing things that have already been discussed ad naseum is the core of the thread, anyway. Doing so with unnecessary hubris and vitriol is also entirely in keeping with established practice.

I doubt a better description of this thread exists...

kit_sune

A_G_G_R_O wrote: »

That’s because you got outplayed, stop LoSing.
Luckily there aren’t ball groups or zerging here in kyne.

I've never been outplayed in my life bruh fwm Kappa

kit_sune

Adenoma wrote: »

See - I pretty much only solo and 1vX these days, but I really can't empathize with that anti-zerg perspective. The game was marketed on zerging. The whole point of me soloing is to challenge myself (and that most of my friends in game and irl play during prime time and I can't). I don't pick fights with Drac or other similar and I try to kite a lot to spread groups out - target selection is important. When I get chased by a half raid (which happens all the time), I know I'm probably going to only come out of it with a couple kills if any at all. I don't cry about it. I don't want mechanics that give small groups equal footing because I want to be disadvantaged. If you're not satisfied by the game then don't play it - plenty of other stuff to do.

I love the disadvantages, because it feels so damn good to overcome. I don't care about zergs, I just laugh when I get chased by people on a horse. The other day I had a Zerg chase around a palisade for 6 mins, I knew I wasn't going to kill them all but I had fun knowing I could do that

A_G_G_R_O

Do you only get forum stars for likes and agrees and not post popularity, whelp there goes my long con of shaking up the rats nest of kyne to earn my 5 star forum rank....